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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.01.17 04:09:00 -
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I'm not here to trade anecdotal stories about times we were blobbed. This is eve that happens. I'm just saying the minmatar militia could use some more solo pilots right now. The killboards demonstrate that Amarr has many more pilots who are willing to try to get a kill solo.
Posting a single killmail where you were outgunned isnÆt productive. I might get blobbed by minmatar gate camps or what have you too. I do not blame them for that. What are they supposed to do? Not shoot? Let me go if the fight is not deemed ôfairö? IÆm not saying anything of the sort. ThatÆs just crazy.
If by pointing out that minmatar militia has very few pilots who are willing to try to collect a kill on their own is somehow insulting to you, well IÆm sorry. But it appears to be a fact. How you or others in your militia react to this fact is up to you.
1) You can close your eyes to it and pretend that by posting a killmail where you were apparently outgunned somehow proves your militia has more pilots willing to fly without a gang for back up. 2) You can say you donÆt care if your militia has no pilots that are willing to enter a fight without a gang for back up. (IÆm sure most pilots on both sides donÆt care) Or 3) you can go out and get some solo kills.
I suppose there are other options too, but I really donÆt care how you react. IÆm just pointing out the fact that your militia is comparatively lacking in pilots who are willing to fight without a gang for back up. If someone wants to join a militia and get some solo pvp, they may want to join your militia for the reasons I stated in my last post.
-Cearain
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2011.01.17 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 17/01/2011 04:24:13 Any militia thread that starts with an accusation is going to be nothing but a bunch of herfing and blurfing. Fact. This thread is just one more data point in support of this Self Evident and Absolute Truth.
I could make a thread accusing the Amarr of being awesome dudes with a sweet dirt bike and within 2 days I'd have Damar Rotowhatever talking about exploits and a whole bunch of IFW dudes posting killmails and talking about failfits.
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Sneaky Noob
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.01.17 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: Cearain I'm not here to trade anecdotal stories about times we were blobbed. This is eve that happens. I'm just saying the minmatar militia could use some more solo pilots right now. The killboards demonstrate that Amarr has many more pilots who are willing to try to get a kill solo.
Posting a single killmail where you were outgunned isnÆt productive. I might get blobbed by minmatar gate camps or what have you too. I do not blame them for that. What are they supposed to do? Not shoot? Let me go if the fight is not deemed ôfairö? IÆm not saying anything of the sort. ThatÆs just crazy.
If by pointing out that minmatar militia has very few pilots who are willing to try to collect a kill on their own is somehow insulting to you, well IÆm sorry. But it appears to be a fact. How you or others in your militia react to this fact is up to you.
1) You can close your eyes to it and pretend that by posting a killmail where you were apparently outgunned somehow proves your militia has more pilots willing to fly without a gang for back up. 2) You can say you donÆt care if your militia has no pilots that are willing to enter a fight without a gang for back up. (IÆm sure most pilots on both sides donÆt care) Or 3) you can go out and get some solo kills.
I suppose there are other options too, but I really donÆt care how you react. IÆm just pointing out the fact that your militia is comparatively lacking in pilots who are willing to fight without a gang for back up. If someone wants to join a militia and get some solo pvp, they may want to join your militia for the reasons I stated in my last post.
tl:dr - i get blobbed so i'm gonna complain on the forums about it.
Originally by: Emperor Cheney Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 17/01/2011 04:24:13 Any militia thread that starts with an accusation is going to be nothing but a bunch of herfing and blurfing. Fact. This thread is just one more data point in support of this Self Evident and Absolute Truth.
I could make a thread accusing the Amarr of being awesome dudes with a sweet dirt bike and within 2 days I'd have Damar Rotowhatever talking about exploits and a whole bunch of IFW dudes posting killmails and talking about failfits.
we only do that to Ramingo.
also, this is now an IFW Thread?
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Zash Donnell
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Posted - 2011.01.17 08:09:00 -
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My points are invalid and I'm an american douche
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The Yzzerman
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2011.01.17 11:09:00 -
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Where did they all go
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Zach Donnell
Ghost-Busters
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Posted - 2011.01.17 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Zash Donnell My points are invalid and I'm an american douche
It's good to see you are still around reading the forums Major Galdari
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2011.01.17 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Eva Valeer Exactly, if your looking for true solo pilots (no gang waiting to jump on you, no boosters, no alt scouts, no logi alt and no falcon alt) its hard enough to find them out pirating belts or roaming 0.0.
My pirate critter prefers to fly solo. Truly solo, as described above. It's extremely rare these days and it makes me sad. But because of the way I fly I'm proud of my K:D ratio and isk destroyed vs. isk lost, even if it isn't spectacular.
That said, I have found that the solo pilots in the Amarr Militia are usually ready and willing to put up a fight, while those in the Minmatar militia tend to run like little girls at the first hint of violence.
Then there's the stealth bomber mission grinders... Ugh. Don't get me started on that gigantic pile of fail...
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Muad 'dib
Caldari The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.01.17 17:19:00 -
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I thought this might be a good thread.
but it isnt.
byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Meep Meep!
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Mutnin
Amarr Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.01.17 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 17/01/2011 18:24:43
I still don't believe Amarr has any solo pilots..
There were damn sure never any around when I was in Minmatar, on the odd chance you did see one it was only because they were in a ceptors/slicers or a dramiels.
The so called solo pilots of Amarr tended to just be a bunch of station humping homos that never left the undock radius. If that has changed I'd be truly amazed.
As for Minmatar, yea they were a bunch of blobbers just like Amarr, Caldari, Gallente and all the rest of EVE. Very few people are ever willing to fight, if they don't already know the out come is in their favor.
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TheZealot 0OOO0
There's Something About Zealots...
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Posted - 2011.01.17 18:52:00 -
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I solo PVP, and I make the Minmatar militia cry to Eve-O about it.
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NERDSLAYER
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Posted - 2011.01.17 19:05:00 -
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USA USA USA
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.01.17 19:57:00 -
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Wow, I point out that minmatar militia could use some more solo pilots, and over half the responses are irrational nonsense.
I guess I should expect this on eve-o.
-Cearain
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failpirate
Demons on Wings
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Posted - 2011.01.18 00:37:00 -
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On a serious note, there were a couple valid points raised. The stats provided in that link lack the detail needed to paint a fuller portrait of the situation.
For example, how many of these solo kills consisted of ganking mission runners in highsec (Hissan), sitting at Auga 3rd and popping easy targets (Deaths Knight), or simply ganking much smaller ships in much more powerful ships, particularly when their fleet didn't make it in time to get on the km (lots of people).
Take the ten most recent kills by Hissan, or example -- the top solo killer in Amarr:
Pod, Rifter, Pod, Riter, Rifter, Pod, Probe, Pod, Scythe, Pod; all killed with his Cane, and all in highsec (mainly trade hubs).
Deaths Knight's most recent solo kills:
Rifter, Hound, Ibis, Pod, Crow, Reaper, Pod, Stiletto, Pod, Hound; all killed with his Cane.
I only find three solo kills on the first page of SaB0TaG3's kb: Pod, Tormentor, Pod.
And check out the size of some of the other fleets he's been in: 51, 20, 42, 37, etc.
So again, without this more detailed data you can't make any claims about Amarr's solo abilities. Sure, they get more solo kills, but when you look at the kill details, any kind of boasting about it falls flat. --
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Mutnin
Amarr Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.01.18 03:39:00 -
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Originally by: failpirate On a serious note, there were a couple valid points raised. The stats provided in that link lack the detail needed to paint a fuller portrait of the situation.
For example, how many of these solo kills consisted of ganking mission runners in highsec (Hissan), sitting at Auga 3rd and popping easy targets (Deaths Knight), or simply ganking much smaller ships in much more powerful ships, particularly when their fleet didn't make it in time to get on the km (lots of people).
Take the ten most recent kills by Hissan, or example -- the top solo killer in Amarr:
Pod, Rifter, Pod, Riter, Rifter, Pod, Probe, Pod, Scythe, Pod; all killed with his Cane, and all in highsec (mainly trade hubs).
Deaths Knight's most recent solo kills:
Rifter, Hound, Ibis, Pod, Crow, Reaper, Pod, Stiletto, Pod, Hound; all killed with his Cane.
I only find three solo kills on the first page of SaB0TaG3's kb: Pod, Tormentor, Pod.
And check out the size of some of the other fleets he's been in: 51, 20, 42, 37, etc.
So again, without this more detailed data you can't make any claims about Amarr's solo abilities. Sure, they get more solo kills, but when you look at the kill details, any kind of boasting about it falls flat.
Pretty much how I see it.. I mean really, a guy that sits on a station with a Arti cane, popping frigs is top Amarr soloer and this is something to brag about?
I dunno but when I think of a good "soloer", I'm damn sure not thinking of station humping queens. All the ***gy station games is what killed the Minmatar vs Amarr fight.
If I sound bitter, it's because I am. Amarr vs Minmatar used tol be a pretty damn fun fighting area with out all the **** station humping games and used to be able to get decent fights. However it turned into nothing but station queens and blobbers that never left Auga, Kourm & Huola.
Not to brag but my alt has killed nothing since I left Minmatar, because he's kinda on ICE ATM.. His "solo" kills were a hell of a lot more impressive IMO, than what I see out of these so called l33t Amarrian soloers linked on the Amarr KB.
http://www.minmatar-militia.org/kb/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=22193&view=kills
..and yea Cearain I even solo'd/killed u once. You ask why most of the Minmatar Soloers left? My guess if they felt same as I did, is because the fight turned to crap with little room to get many decent fights out side the blobs.
Caldari/Gallente is just as bad TBH but there is at least a hell of a lot more area to roam and no where near the same amount of station ***gotorty as long as you stay away from Tama and the various blob pipes.
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TejBach
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Posted - 2011.01.18 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: TejBach on 18/01/2011 11:04:28 I am very new to FW, am minnie, am by far NOT a PVP pro, and after a couple days had:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=12275501 (not a FW WT, but a pirate trying to pick fights with those in FW...still solo)
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=12278745
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=12278898
Now I know they are the best PVPers either, but there is some 1 on 1 action....there is also the giant blobs of armarr running around complaining that there isn't any solo PVP...well, if your faction is roaming around in a 20+ BC blob...the other faction will be wary about flying around solo.
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Rorschach Hunter
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2011.01.18 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: failpirate For example, how many of these solo kills consisted of ganking mission runners in highsec (Hissan), sitting at Auga 3rd and popping easy targets (Deaths Knight), or simply ganking much smaller ships in much more powerful ships, particularly when their fleet didn't make it in time to get on the km (lots of people).
Take the ten most recent kills by Hissan, or example -- the top solo killer in Amarr:
See, my definition of "solo" doesnt involve using a second accound with a tank/bait alt (Lord Toerag... sorry Torak) and a third account with a nuetral scout observing the stations that you plan to gank.
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Bengal Bob
Minmatar Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2011.01.18 13:02:00 -
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I try to solo as much as possible, but the amarr seem to have a new rule that they don't travel more than a jump from kour/kam/houla unless in packs. Any that are solo inevitably have t3 booster in system. It is really difficult to get the amarr to engage even if you are in a frig and they are in a bigger ship - 9 times out of 10 they will run and come back with support. Usually 2 or more cruisers to a lone frig.
The amarr get lots of kills because the minmatar militia seems to have a lot of noobs with no sense. Some days you can just sit outside auga 3rd and watch frig after frig get insta popped.
Still, it is a matter of preference, quality over quantity and anything that weeds out those that just use fw for isk, without being prepared to engage the amarr is a good thing.
Still, roaming around you will see many more lone minnies than amarr, so we do seem to be trying.
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Mini McFly
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Posted - 2011.01.18 13:29:00 -
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Faction warfare has changed over the last two years. You see less solo-pvp because the game mechanics have changed. Most engagements occur on gates. It is difficult to prevent a target from reapproaching a gate after they nerfed webs. They need to buff webs to where they were pre nano-nerf TBH. There is also a game mechanic bug where ships on plex gate can active the gate and warp when pointed.
The end result is a big blob chasing and catching a smaller blob which hot drops; and is then counter hot dropped by a NYX which ends all fight. Party over, less kills, less sub-capital action, and a lot of unhappy players.
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2011.01.18 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 18/01/2011 13:42:10 Edited by: Damar Rocarion on 18/01/2011 13:41:51
Originally by: Rorschach Hunter See, my definition of "solo" doesnt involve using a second accound with a tank/bait alt (Lord Toerag... sorry Torak) and a third account with a nuetral scout observing the stations that you plan to gank.
Every militia (and pirate corps) has ton of "solo people" with their unprobable t3 booster in deep safe, just the way it goes (see my previos comment). Hell, I recently had duel against gallente comet with my hookbill. I know the guy packed a falcon alt (quite a lot people do) but figured he would not use it.
Well, he did try to bring it field but was too late for him by then and he lost. But honestly, why have a falcon c..dom for a ship which costs 10k lp in FW store when one mission gives you up to 20k lp and takes 10 minutes to complete...
Damar Rocarion Brigadier General
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Mutnin
Amarr Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.01.18 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 18/01/2011 14:06:10
Originally by: Mini McFly Faction warfare has changed over the last two years. You see less solo-pvp because the game mechanics have changed.
It's not just FW, It's "low sec" as a whole that has changed. FW is just the biggest hoarding grounds in low sec for it.
Low sec as a whole has become a ****ty game play environment, that just caters to the guys that can bait/blob the most. Now it's not so much the blobs that I really hate, it's more so their affect on the state of PVP in this game.
The blobs for the most part "dumb down" the game and they certainly don't teach the lil blob monkeys how to PVP (regardless of their lil l33t 3k to 100 death KB stats). This is bad over all for the game, because it lowers the standards of PVP to the point it's no longer a challenge.
Right now solo/small gang PVP has degraded to the point, that the "challenge" is now ganking a target before the blob monkeys arrive, rather than actually having "fun" fights.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.01.18 17:52:00 -
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Fail pirate
Thank you for making an intelligent post and getting this thread back on track. I think the amarr and minmatar have traditionally avoided much of the ôserious businessö mindset that takes place in the caldari/gallente side. This has imo lead to a better variety of pvp options on our front. I would like this to continue. Here is a wall of text. Sorry, if I had more time I would write a shorter post.
At some point I decided that I would like to be able to get on the award board for solo kills in the amarr militia. So I looked at how people would get solo kills.
There are allot of different ways to solo pvp.
1)There is the high sec ganking. I havenÆt done it myself but I have seen a few people have done what hissan does. 2)Those who get solo killmails even though they have really have a reps from logistics or others 3) Those who use alts in bcs command ships or strategic cruisers giving them ganglink boosts. 4)Those who use sensor boosters to help their lock time so they can gank smaller ships with larger ships. Double sensor boosted thrasher, cane etc. 5)Station campers. 6)There are other tactics including the ever entertaining smartbombing BS. 7)There is the guy who wants to fight you until he is losing and then warps in his ecm boat to end the fight. 8)And just people who just fly around looking for fights because there is no fleet up or they donÆt have time to dedicate to for a fleet op.
I likely missed some. And of course there are many combinations of these sorts of tactics. Someone may use sensorboosters and station camp with a remote repper.
Now some of these are not in fact solo fighting. If you use 2 ships you are not solo. The person using a repper is not solo even though killmails do not show the repping ship. The person using the gang link alt/friend is not solo either. Both should show up on the killmail imo.
Ganglinks alts:
Personally though I do not mind when people use the ganglinks. The boosts arenÆt much more than pirate implants or boosters. Should ccp change it so the ship needs to be on grid? Yeah I think they probably should but I havenÆt really looked into it much so I donÆt really have a strong opinion.
Repper ships:
I donÆt mind when people use a repper ship even. ItÆs clearly not solo even though itÆs a way to game the killmails.(thatÆs why I think ccp should fix killmails to show when they are used.) Neutral remote reps though I think is really poor. That is why I support assembly hall topics to have this changed. In the meantime IÆm not going to cry about their use other than to say I think its lame. Just my opinion.
As for high sec ganking:
I think its fine. Your right in that it is not the type of solo pvp I was looking for. But CCP set it up so that players would have to fight a navy not an invincible concord like npc when they are in high sec. So they clearly envisioned that some fighting would take place in high sec.
I think you will find that although there may be 1 or 2 pilots each month who get large numbers of kills this way the vast majority of the Amarr solo kills happen in low sec. Certainly this tactic isnÆt so wide spread that it explains the nearly doubling of solo kills the amarr get as compared to the minmatar. Again that is not to disparage the minmatar militia (the whole deal with one militia pointing fingers at another is pretty juvenile) but it is to say minmatar could use some more solo pilots.
I mean forget about the top spot look at what it takes to just make the list. You will see that you can usually have half the kills you would need to make the amarr list and still make the minmatar list.
This I think is the more telling statistic that really shows many more amarr are willing to try to get a kill without backup than the minmatar. If youÆre minmatar and get 15 solo kills you are likely to make the award list for the minmatar. If you get 15 kills and you are amarr you are barely getting half the solo kills you need to make the list. Its at this lower end were we can at least start to see where the day to day pilots are coming in.
Station Campers:
Yes you have to inform new players about station campers and what they can do. But its part of the game that every player should learn sooner or later. If using a sensor boosted ship with a remote rep is simply overpowered then we should ask ccp to do something about about it. ItÆs nto op then itÆs just part of the game.
But again if someone is camping a station and not using a remote rep they are in fact a solo pilot. Sometimes it takes so fricking long to find anything other than a gate camp or a blob to fight I have considered doing this too. I think these are legitimate solo kills.
-Cearain
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.01.18 17:55:00 -
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General:
I think it is good for fw to have a variety pvp available. Large fleet small gang and solo. I also think station camping can be part of it but I hope its not the whole thing. I think keeping variety is important.
You point out that someone may solo kill several ships then start fighting in a fleet with 50 others. I think that is actually a good thing about fw. You have many different options to pvp. I do not think solo pvp is for everyone. And I do think larger fights can be allot of fun as can small gang. There is nothing wrong with flying with a large fleet.
As far as the soloer who just throws a bunch of sensor boosters on his ship to catch smaller stuff well I personally think that is pretty lame. I look at it no different than gatecamping in general. IÆm not going to complain about it but I sure hope all of eve doesnÆt devolve into that. Just my opinion. At least they have to gimp their ships by using midslots for sensor boosters.
On the other hand, just because a soloer is killing smaller ships in a larger ship that should not count against him at all. Generally smaller ships can not be caught by larger ships (with the exception of the sensor booster issue) So that person was likely taking some bait and trying to get away or fighting a larger number of smaller ships. This is some of the best solo fighting. I tend to like it more than 1v1.
I donÆt mind if people want to sit outside our base with a thrasher or hurricane. IÆm not convinced that is some sort of Iwin button. Personally when I see a thrasher outside huola I am glad I donÆt have to travel far for a fight. If that person is truly solo.
As far as those who say you canÆt solo in fw I disagree. I have found entering a plex is a good way to find good fights. Once you enter the plex move away from the rats so they donÆt agro you. (I often move away from them in defensive plexes too so they donÆt ***** the killmail with their pathetic damage.)
Then if there are others in the opposing militia (or rarely pirates) they may come in the plex. You can move away from the entry point so you have some control to help you not get blobbed and or spread out the blob and try to kill what is closest. If anyone wants to try solo piloting I would highly recommend this method.
I have been in many great fights in and right outside plexes. I have also sat in plexes with tons of wartargets in system and none of them come in. Again IÆm not complaining if they are tackle for a fleet then sure they canÆt just say ôhey fc IÆm going to go fight cearain and leave you guys without tackle.ö
But on the other hand if I am there in a t1 frigate at a medium plex and I see a wt a thrasher or t2 frigate at the gate do they really need to wait 5 minutes for another destroyer and t2 frigate to come? Ok if they do fine, IÆm not saying I will fight, but whatever. But then do they really need to wait another 5 minutes for that kitsune or black bird to join before they come in?
BTW I will say the minmatar militia are in general good about bringing fights. Definitely they are *far* better than pirates. Pirates almost never enter a plex with anything even close to what you are flying. To be fair though it may be because pirates donÆt know what the hell a plex is.
I also see the minmatar enter plexes and force the amarr to ship down every now and then. I think this is great. Use the plex mechanics and you wonÆt get blobbed.
Finally I am not saying pilots who have no interest in solo piloting should take it up. I think people who tell others how to play this game fundamentally misunderstand eve. So thatÆs is not my point.
As it stands I am thinking fleet and gang work is pretty much the only options minmatar are offering. IÆm not ôblamingö the minmatar or saying they are at ôfaultö because there is nothing wrong with flying in fleets or gangs.
But if someone wants to solo pvp joining the minmatar militia might be a good choice since the amarr militia seems to have more pilots willing to fight without a gang for back up. (1v1s are not the only sort of fight a solo pilot can have but knowing the other side will often fight solo as well is a very good indication you will have fun as a solo pilot) Also if you are in the minmatar militia and occasionally solo pvp you may want to do a bit more of it or the amarr militia might stop soloing for lack of like minded war targets.
For example if the numbers were reversed I would certainly plan on doing more solo pvp. Not only would it be more fun for me but I would help maintain some variety in the war by offering minmatar some likeminded wartargets.
-Cearain
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Ezra Tair
Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.19 20:27:00 -
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Cearain, I've tried solo. But solo is a two way street, and both people have to want the fight. The ships I've seen are not ones I want to fight (20km slicers kitng my 0 em resist sheild tanked frig-no thanks). And I know your tricks well enough to know if I can take you alone or need help. The sting of my first Rapier loss in my second ever fight with it vs you haunts me still :P
Plus no one likes getting blobbed, after while ya just assume they got a booster or back up or something. Loved a massive passive tanked stabber with a T3 booster/scout one guy used a couple weeks ago (but hey it worked and he got me and a bunch of other people).
I suppose you could just blame meta-gamming (Second accounts, neut scouts, neut remote rep). Which is quickly eroding my enjoyment of the game as well. Not even WoW has as bad a meta-gamming problem in their PvP, lol. At lest I don't think so. Its beena f ew years.
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Mutnin
Amarr Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.01.19 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 19/01/2011 21:02:47
Cearain, I think you are just making excuses and not really listening because it's not what you want to hear. Simply put there was a lack of decent targets/fights for solo Minmatar guys and it became far too boring at least for me.
I'm a BC/cruiser guy and there was absolutely crap for targets from the Amarr Militia and this went on for a few months. The fight degraded to essentially nothing but blobards running back and forth from Huola to Auga, ganking each other and a few station humping queens in between.
I used to fly the back systems every night looking for fight and rarely ever found anything that wasn't a shuttle picking up missions or a Slicer/Dram/Ceptor that would run away anyway.
Now you essentially see what we were dealing with then. No worth while targets out side the blobs.
Now Gallente vs Caldari is not much better TBH.. it's rare to find fights that don't end up with 10 WT's jumping in..but at the very least the area is a bit better for roaming.
Overall though this really shouldn't be a FW topic, as it's pretty much same thing all over low sec. It's a game problem and it's unlikely to ever get better, meaning you have to adjust play style or do the same ***gy games all the others do.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.01.20 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mutnin Edited by: Mutnin on 19/01/2011 22:06:15
Cearain, I think you are just making excuses and not really listening because it's not what you want to hear. Simply put there was a lack of decent targets/fights for solo Minmatar guys and it became far too boring at least for me. ..
That may have been the case. I'm not here to brag about the amarr militia. Even saying that sounds ridiculous. There are all sorts of people in every militia. I'm not here to put down the minmatar militia either. Both the amarr and the minmatar are by and large after the same thing - good pvp fights. I actually think this is pretty clear to many on both sides and really doesnÆt need to be repeated in the forums.
The minmatar have it somewhat hard right now because even though there may be fewer enrolled in amarr, the amarr have a few very good leaders and therefore more active players. This has been the case for a while but it wasnÆt always the case. When I first joined amarr a certain large alliance decided to take a break from null sec and joined minmatar for a bit. So this stuff comes in tides.
But the point is really what you are saying above. If side A is full of solo pilots and side B has none the solo pilots in A will drop out. It canÆt be lopsided for long. ThatÆs why IÆm saying if you want to do some solo stuff minmatar militia would be a good choice.
You have been in minmatar militia and say there have been too few amarr soloers. I havenÆt looked at the kilboards back more than a few months but have a feeling this is correct. Now that you see amarr have many more solo pilots maybe you should rejoin the minmatar militia.
Again I donÆt mean to be insulting to any minmatar pilots. I do not think less of pilots because they prefer to fly in fleets/gangs. Not everyone cares to be a solo pilot. Just like not everyone cares for industry in eve.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Nauplius
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2011.01.20 02:28:00 -
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What this war zone needs is more people sluming around solo in trashy T1 frigates engaging (almost) everything small. Like this guy.
Need more of: Tristan: I've heard this is the best T1 frigate now. Still haven't gotten to fight one yet, though. Merlin: Another split weapon system, so kinda bad for newbies, but shield rigs are cheaper. Breacher: Seriously, if it is possible to kill something in a freaking Inquisitor every now and then, then it has to be possible to kill something with the overpowered explosive damage type, too. Non-Dramiel faction frigs: For variety's sake.
Don't need any more of: Minmatar T2 Assault Frigates: Seriously, people...variety. Dramiels
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Amthala
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Posted - 2011.01.20 02:49:00 -
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ive killed a bunch of FW guys solo, does that count?
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Mutnin
Amarr Mutineers
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Posted - 2011.01.20 23:41:00 -
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Edited by: Mutnin on 20/01/2011 23:46:52 Edited by: Mutnin on 20/01/2011 23:44:54
Originally by: Cearain
Originally by: Mutnin Edited by: Mutnin on 19/01/2011 22:06:15
Cearain, I think you are just making excuses and not really listening because it's not what you want to hear. Simply put there was a lack of decent targets/fights for solo Minmatar guys and it became far too boring at least for me. ..
That may have been the case. I'm not here to brag about the amarr militia. Even saying that sounds ridiculous. There are all sorts of people in every militia. I'm not here to put down the minmatar militia either. Both the amarr and the minmatar are by and large after the same thing - good pvp fights. I actually think this is pretty clear to many on both sides and really doesnÆt need to be repeated in the forums.
The minmatar have it somewhat hard right now because even though there may be fewer enrolled in amarr, the amarr have a few very good leaders and therefore more active players. This has been the case for a while but it wasnÆt always the case. When I first joined amarr a certain large alliance decided to take a break from null sec and joined minmatar for a bit. So this stuff comes in tides.
But the point is really what you are saying above. If side A is full of solo pilots and side B has none the solo pilots in A will drop out. It canÆt be lopsided for long. ThatÆs why IÆm saying if you want to do some solo stuff minmatar militia would be a good choice.
You have been in minmatar militia and say there have been too few amarr soloers. I havenÆt looked at the kilboards back more than a few months but have a feeling this is correct. Now that you see amarr have many more solo pilots maybe you should rejoin the minmatar militia.
Again I donÆt mean to be insulting to any minmatar pilots. I do not think less of pilots because they prefer to fly in fleets/gangs. Not everyone cares to be a solo pilot. Just like not everyone cares for industry in eve.
The deal is Amarr aren't really full of "solo" pilots.. I looked at the first 4 or 5 guys including your self. All I saw were guys with most of their "solo" KM being obvious station humping gayness.
Every one of the top 4 guys had most of their solo KM's in 720mm Arti canes and looking and almost all the kills were frigs and pretty much most were in Auga,dal or a FW mission agent system.
While yours was a bit better I still saw a large number of your KM's coming from Dal in a Rupture killing frigs. That to me screams camping the top station which we all know is a kick out.
While it may or may not be the case with your self it's still a large amount of your kills in a cruiser with frigs as the target. Granted you also had some frig vs frig as well.
I'm sorry but as someone whom has spent most of his EVE pvp time soloing.. I know the difference in looking for "quality" fights vs "gank" mails.
Meabning IMO pretty much all of the top 5 on that "solo" list would never fit my personal description of a good soloer, regardless of their kill stats.
To me a good soloer is someone that is a after quality as much as quantity. It would be like saying that guy in the Heretics whom smarts bombs pods all day was a awesome soloer just because he has most solo kills in their corp.
In short KM stats are ****.. and looking at engagement might not always tell the whole story, but they can tell a lot when looking how the pilot typically gets his fights.
Now ifg those stats were showing their BC's taking on gangs of frigs or a few cruiser or even a decent amount of BC vs BC then it would be sign they were actually "fighting" and not playing Docking bear kill mail *****.
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NupetietVer
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.01.21 06:31:00 -
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Edited by: NupetietVer on 21/01/2011 06:37:56 I used to solo PvP, roaming for 2 hours or more just trying to find someone to fight, even yelling in Local.
Managed to find one, and this happen:
Really ya.
Now I refuse to do solo since the Amarr are filthy liers and are going to HELLLLLLLLLLLLL!
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Bengal Bob
Minmatar Royal Order of Security Specialists
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Posted - 2011.01.21 09:38:00 -
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engaged amarr thrasher in a rifter, he was going down, then his friend uncloaks: http://www.minmatar-militia.org/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=172169
again, with the hidden cloaky: http://www.minmatar-militia.org/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=168394
again, the crusader went down, crow was next on the list and then the rapier uncloaks: http://www.minmatar-militia.org/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=166661
I don't mind losing ships, that is what happens with flying solo. The problem comes with the Amarr deliberately baiting solo players and then ridiculously overpowering them with silly things like this. Of course many are poor at small gang stuff and so often it is possible to get away, but it still means that i have had to leave a lot of kills and run.
If the amarr man up and stop this idiocy then you will find lots more solo minmatar players. Sadly as a minnie, you will find the amarr don't even engage most of the time unless it is cruiser up against frigs or at least a dram with backup. I can't count the number of times i have chased inties or af in a rifter only to find them run off and come back with friends - for a rifter!!
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