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Deen Wispa
Gallente GHF Corperation
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Posted - 2011.01.14 20:50:00 -
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A few questions about lowsec:
How long must I deaggress at a gate in order to jump through?
Is warp scramming considered an aggression? What about jamming? Or is it simply just shooting?
How far from a gate can you be to avoid getting shot at? -----------------
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Kahega Amielden
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2011.01.14 20:59:00 -
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Quote: How long must I deaggress at a gate in order to jump through?
1 minute
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Is warp scramming considered an aggression? What about jamming? Or is it simply just shooting?
Any sort of remotely harmful module activated on another ship causes aggression. Jamming, shooting, scramming all count. Quote:
How far from a gate can you be to avoid getting shot at?
I believe it is 150km from the gate.
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Deen Wispa
Gallente GHF Corperation
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:12:00 -
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Hmmm...so is it safe to say that EWAR is not a viable part of fleet composition if you are fighting at the gates? When I say Ewar, I don't mean fitting ECM drones but actual ships like a blackbird which will get popped by the sentry guns. -----------------
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Jim Tudeski
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Quote:
How far from a gate can you be to avoid getting shot at?
I believe it is 150km from the gate.
Wrong. Its 150km from the nearest gate gun.
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Dark Pangolin
Caldari Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:39:00 -
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So yo are talking about going PIE!
The short answer is yes. You do not want to go GCC on a gate and take gate gun fire unless you can tank it. Either through a buffer tank or with help from a friend in an RR boat who will then also go GCC and take gate gun fire ...in general you want to be in a BC or above and have some friends if you're going to take gate fire. Don't forget the gate guns cycle targets so its not possible to "take aggro" with a big boat and let your little guys fly around...frigs will pop right quick under gate gun fire and most cruisers wont last too long either...
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Corina Jarr
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:47:00 -
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Also remember you cannot speed tank gate guns. They can hit anything and everything 100% of the time if it is in range.
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Kahega Amielden
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2011.01.14 21:57:00 -
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Quote: Hmmm...so is it safe to say that EWAR is not a viable part of fleet composition if you are fighting at the gates? When I say Ewar, I don't mean fitting ECM drones but actual ships like a blackbird which will get popped by the sentry guns.
If they ewar is not very tanky then yes.
Quote: Wrong. Its 150km from the nearest gate gun.
No. Gate and station guns calculate range from the target they protect, not themselves.
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Izuru Hishido
Amarr Lethal Dosage. Violent Society
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Posted - 2011.01.15 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Izuru Hishido on 15/01/2011 22:02:23
Originally by: Deen Wispa Hmmm...so is it safe to say that EWAR is not a viable part of fleet composition if you are fighting at the gates? When I say Ewar, I don't mean fitting ECM drones but actual ships like a blackbird which will get popped by the sentry guns.
That all depends. If the blackbird/falcon/jammer aggro's first, then yes, they will get popped by sentries. If they aggro after the targets have shot back and flagged themselves to the corp, then the EWAR ships can have at them.
Confirming that station/gate guns only shoot targets within 150km of the object they protect.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2011.01.16 03:38:00 -
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I'm not sure about blackbird but falcon with a couple of LSEs or a 1600mm plate can tank gate gun long enough to be helpful to pirate gang. Make pounce spot around gate you routinely engaging at so you can warp in and out quickly to lose gate gun aggro and get back in jamming. If not pounce just hope there is a nearby celestial.
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Huge Midget
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Posted - 2011.01.16 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Deen Wispa Hmmm...so is it safe to say that EWAR is not a viable part of fleet composition if you are fighting at the gates? When I say Ewar, I don't mean fitting ECM drones but actual ships like a blackbird which will get popped by the sentry guns.
Yes a blackbird or falcon can stay on a gate or station long enough to be usefull if it's fit properly
However you need to remember that the 1 minute (thats 60 seconds for the rest of the world with your crazy metric system) aggro timer works for everyone, not just you. So if you jamm someone on a gate they automaticly deaggress (unless they have drones out) and start the timer for when they can jump and escape. If this is what you are going for then by all means use a blackbird/falcon, just know that most people won't reaggress once they have been jammed, so you had better kill them fast.
I suggest useing logistics over ecm when on gates and stations, it helps to keep your guys alive and doesn't scream RUN AWAY like as often as a falcon does, and it doesn't automaticly force your target to deaggro.
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Aerion Va'rr
The Priesthood The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.01.16 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Aerion Va''rr on 16/01/2011 16:02:16
Originally by: Deen Wispa Hmmm...so is it safe to say that EWAR is not a viable part of fleet composition if you are fighting at the gates? When I say Ewar, I don't mean fitting ECM drones but actual ships like a blackbird which will get popped by the sentry guns.
Actually, you don't want to use ECM on a Gate or Station, unless your sure you can kill them in less then a minute, as this will break their aggression (unless they have drones out) and enable them to jump away or dock. (I know a minute seems like a long time, but theres always someone not paying attention, tabbed out, watching ****, or messing around on Fukung)
This typically screws up gate camps, and irritates the hell out of FC's.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators Hell's Hide-Out
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Posted - 2011.01.16 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 16/01/2011 16:48:39
151km from the thing the guns are protecting
In practice you can tank a falcon and use three or four jams on it and sit in gun range (with sentry gun rotation onto your dps boats/tackle it can tank fine) or range fit a scorpion and sit at 151km with 8 weak jams and be out of optimal some of the time (depending on gate size, station undock bubble, where the character decloaks from). This setup is imo more useful for multiboxing.
Main reason why CCPs falcon range nerf hit pirates harder then any other group (yet again)
SKUNK (o)
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Bixx Styxx
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Posted - 2011.01.20 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Aerion Va'rr Actually, you don't want to use ECM on a Gate or Station, unless your sure you can kill them in less then a minute, as this will break their aggression (unless they have drones out) and enable them to jump away or dock. (I know a minute seems like a long time, but theres always someone not paying attention, tabbed out, watching ****, or messing around on Fukung)
This typically screws up gate camps, and irritates the hell out of FC's.
^^ This
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BolsterBomb
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Posted - 2011.01.20 18:49:00 -
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Jam the primary or any other jammers if you're on gate. If FC calls primary you have to take a quick look how far he is from the gate, but most things burn in less then a minute if primary is called.
I fly black birds in FW and it is much different then O.O fighting but ECM is priceless if you know what you are doing.
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Deen Wispa
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.20 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Izuru Hishido Edited by: Izuru Hishido on 15/01/2011 22:02:23
Originally by: Deen Wispa Hmmm...so is it safe to say that EWAR is not a viable part of fleet composition if you are fighting at the gates? When I say Ewar, I don't mean fitting ECM drones but actual ships like a blackbird which will get popped by the sentry guns.
That all depends. If the blackbird/falcon/jammer aggro's first, then yes, they will get popped by sentries. If they aggro after the targets have shot back and flagged themselves to the corp, then the EWAR ships can have at them.
That's a dicey proposition to wait for the enemy to shoot me first in my BB before I wait to jam them. By the time I can get a jam, I'm probably dead.
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Deen Wispa
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.20 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Huge Midget
Originally by: Deen Wispa Hmmm...so is it safe to say that EWAR is not a viable part of fleet composition if you are fighting at the gates? When I say Ewar, I don't mean fitting ECM drones but actual ships like a blackbird which will get popped by the sentry guns.
I suggest useing logistics over ecm when on gates and stations, it helps to keep your guys alive and doesn't scream RUN AWAY like as often as a falcon does, and it doesn't automaticly force your target to deaggro.
Good point about the usage of logi at the gates because at the minimum, I will get shot down by the gate guns. -----------------
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