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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.01.15 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: foksieloy
Originally by: Aiwha You know somethings good when people love it and hate it.
Are you referring to AF's or to T1 cruisers? :)
Exactly.
Gullible
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Okie Wren
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Posted - 2011.01.15 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Lilla Kharn A T2 cruiser will at most cost you 10 million.
WTB: Vagabond - 10mill
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ARES 003
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Posted - 2011.01.16 03:10:00 -
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What I have gathered from this post:
Cruisers are versatile, cheap, and effective.
Assault Ships are pwnobiles when equipped with a nos/cap booster or are long range/kite setup and when they have enough tank to deal with drones.
Is this about right?
Someone know some exact numbers comparing the cost of a T2 fit cruiser to a T2 fit AF?
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Worgen Fratmon
Minmatar Instapop Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.16 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: ARES 003 What I have gathered from this post:
Cruisers are versatile, cheap, and effective.
Assault Ships are pwnobiles when equipped with a nos/cap booster or are long range/kite setup and when they have enough tank to deal with drones.
Is this about right?
Someone know some exact numbers comparing the cost of a T2 fit cruiser to a T2 fit AF?
HAC cost v AF cost? or Combat Recon v AF?
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ARES 003
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Posted - 2011.01.16 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Worgen Fratmon
Originally by: ARES 003 What I have gathered from this post:
Cruisers are versatile, cheap, and effective.
Assault Ships are pwnobiles when equipped with a nos/cap booster or are long range/kite setup and when they have enough tank to deal with drones.
Is this about right?
Someone know some exact numbers comparing the cost of a T2 fit cruiser to a T2 fit AF?
HAC cost v AF cost? or Combat Recon v AF?
The cost of a T2 fit cruiser to a T2 fit frigate.
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Deandra Walran
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Posted - 2011.01.16 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: ARES 003
Originally by: Worgen Fratmon
Originally by: ARES 003 What I have gathered from this post:
Cruisers are versatile, cheap, and effective.
Assault Ships are pwnobiles when equipped with a nos/cap booster or are long range/kite setup and when they have enough tank to deal with drones.
Is this about right?
Someone know some exact numbers comparing the cost of a T2 fit cruiser to a T2 fit AF?
HAC cost v AF cost? or Combat Recon v AF?
The cost of a T2 fit cruiser to a T2 fit frigate.
www.eve-central.com
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Lilla Kharn
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.16 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Okie Wren
Originally by: Lilla Kharn A T2 cruiser will at most cost you 10 million.
WTB: Vagabond - 10mill
T2 fit cruiser. My bad. ============================================= "Only the dead have seen the end of war" - Plato
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Proxy Proximae
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Posted - 2011.01.17 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lilla Kharn Edited by: Lilla Kharn on 12/01/2011 19:30:59 Assault frigates will outperform a T1 cruiser in most instances. They are faster, smaller, more maneuverable and output around the same DPS. However, they also require a great deal more skills to become viable. Such as a T2 fit including the guns. I would recommend training cruisers first as they are also quite a bit cheaper and don't need as much skills.
A T2 cruiser will at most cost you 10 million. An assault frigate hull will cost you upwards of 15 million, not including fittings.
That's a gross generalization... Some cruiser hulls like the vexor (or the thorax) with appropriate skills can put out anywhere from 500 - 800 dps. No assault frigate does anywhere near similar damage.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.01.17 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lilla Kharn
Originally by: Okie Wren
Originally by: Lilla Kharn A T2 cruiser will at most cost you 10 million.
WTB: Vagabond - 10mill
T2 fit cruiser. My bad.
Pretty sure a T2 fit cruiser will run you 15-20M. T2 guns are expensive.
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter - Blog got deleted when Evepress died - |
Pax Thar
Minmatar Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.01.17 23:31:00 -
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AFs and T2 fit cruisers are comparable in price ranging from 20-30m ish fully fit. For my money I like T2 fit cruisers, especialy the Rupture because of its tank, fit versatility and firepower.
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Amber Accelerando
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Posted - 2011.01.18 09:37:00 -
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Huts wotcha gorra dee! Ya gorra dee it, get the fakkin AF & go oot an give wun Cruiser a reet gud seein ta.
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Lilla Kharn
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.18 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Lilla Kharn
Originally by: Okie Wren
Originally by: Lilla Kharn A T2 cruiser will at most cost you 10 million.
WTB: Vagabond - 10mill
T2 fit cruiser. My bad.
Pretty sure a T2 fit cruiser will run you 15-20M. T2 guns are expensive.
-Liang
Was under the assumption there would not be T2 guns on it as he is asking if he should train up assault frigates or cruisers first. ============================================= "Only the dead have seen the end of war" - Plato
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.01.18 17:30:00 -
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Train both.
But for first, I would suggest try get your cruiser skill to a point where you can fit a t1 cruiser with a full set of t2 modules.
In a fight though, I've killed t1 cruisers with AFs. t1 cruisers are just more versatile and useful all around than AFs currently are in Eve. Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you. |
Tony SoXai
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Posted - 2011.01.18 17:54:00 -
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AF are **** mobiles and with a good pilot and enough dps can kill almost any cruiser pilot. AB/scram/nos/guns. They are cruiser killers, most are just too chicken to go after cruisers and too panicky to be able to kill drones and keep target pointed all at the same time. It takes practice but once you get into it, AF truly are cruiser killers.
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David Devant
Gallente CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.01.18 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: David Devant on 18/01/2011 19:15:58 http://ctrl.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=8525441
In other news.... There are no solo artists in the Minnie Militia.
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Zyress
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Posted - 2011.01.18 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tony SoXai AF are **** mobiles and with a good pilot and enough dps can kill almost any cruiser pilot. AB/scram/nos/guns. They are cruiser killers, most are just too chicken to go after cruisers and too panicky to be able to kill drones and keep target pointed all at the same time. It takes practice but once you get into it, AF truly are cruiser killers.
LoL yeah bring that AF on over and try and kill my AML Caracal
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2011.01.18 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tony SoXai AF are **** mobiles and with a good pilot and enough dps can kill almost any cruiser pilot. AB/scram/nos/guns. They are cruiser killers, most are just too chicken to go after cruisers and too panicky to be able to kill drones and keep target pointed all at the same time. It takes practice but once you get into it, AF truly are cruiser killers.
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Tony SoXai
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Posted - 2011.01.18 23:38:00 -
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/facepalm.
AM caracal? REALLY? Wow buddy, nice argument. AM caracal hardly counts. How about a cruiser who fits weapons capable of killing other cruisers?
I mean you probably think that an Ishkur couldn't own a small blaster vexor right? LOL i just know Im gonna have to explain that one...
My comment is completely true and anyone who thinks otherwise sucks/is fail/cant fit his ship.
Shield nano ruppy for example... will get crap-face-butt-owned if it gets scrammed by a decent AF pilot with a nos. Or a Vagabond... or a Stabber... Medium gunned ships are horribly at the mercy of AF, they just don't know it because hardly anyone does it. I could go on but if you morons don't realize by now... more cruisers to kill I guess :-)
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Diesel47
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Posted - 2011.01.19 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tony SoXai /facepalm.
AM caracal? REALLY? Wow buddy, nice argument. AM caracal hardly counts. How about a cruiser who fits weapons capable of killing other cruisers?
I mean you probably think that an Ishkur couldn't own a small blaster vexor right? LOL i just know Im gonna have to explain that one...
My comment is completely true and anyone who thinks otherwise sucks/is fail/cant fit his ship.
Shield nano ruppy for example... will get crap-face-butt-owned if it gets scrammed by a decent AF pilot with a nos. Or a Vagabond... or a Stabber... Medium gunned ships are horribly at the mercy of AF, they just don't know it because hardly anyone does it. I could go on but if you morons don't realize by now... more cruisers to kill I guess :-)
Works if they are fitted to kill cruisers.. So no Caracals on the attack list.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.19 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Tony SoXai Shield nano ruppy for example... will get crap-face-butt-owned if it gets scrammed by a decent AF pilot with a nos. Or a Vagabond... or a Stabber... Medium gunned ships are horribly at the mercy of AF, they just don't know it because hardly anyone does it. I could go on but if you morons don't realize by now... more cruisers to kill I guess :-)
Until the cruiser breaks lock with ecm drones and either nuets you to death and/or burns out of point blank range and into optimal.
Bottom line: Train both.
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Lilla Kharn
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.20 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Proxy Proximae
Originally by: Lilla Kharn Edited by: Lilla Kharn on 12/01/2011 19:30:59 Assault frigates will outperform a T1 cruiser in most instances. They are faster, smaller, more maneuverable and output around the same DPS. However, they also require a great deal more skills to become viable. Such as a T2 fit including the guns. I would recommend training cruisers first as they are also quite a bit cheaper and don't need as much skills.
A T2 cruiser will at most cost you 10 million. An assault frigate hull will cost you upwards of 15 million, not including fittings.
That's a gross generalization... Some cruiser hulls like the vexor (or the thorax) with appropriate skills can put out anywhere from 500 - 800 dps. No assault frigate does anywhere near similar damage.
Highlighted the important parts. ============================================= "Only the dead have seen the end of war" - Plato
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Target Painter
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.01.20 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lilla Kharn Highlighted the important parts.
I think we're all disagreeing with is the part you highlighted. ****fits aside, you do run into competently fit cruisers... which means you they usually aren't engageable.
Also, Rupture with 425s, 3 gyros and Warriors does around 500 DPS.
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Schwester 6666
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Posted - 2011.01.21 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tony SoXai AF are **** mobiles and with a good pilot and enough dps can kill almost any cruiser pilot. AB/scram/nos/guns. They are cruiser killers, most are just too chicken to go after cruisers and too panicky to be able to kill drones and keep target pointed all at the same time. It takes practice but once you get into it, AF truly are cruiser killers.
AF's are fun mobiles... but no **** mobiles A Good T1/T2 Cruiser Pilot with a Neut or AB fittet just kites the AF and thats the End for every AF. It's just a Question of Transversal...
There ar some Targets that are better for AF's like Deimos/Thorax or Zealot/Omen and then there are Targets who mean a 50/50 Chance to survive for the AF (depending on the fit) like minmatar cruisers (Stabber/Vaga,Cyna etc.), Drone cruisers (Vexor/Ishtar) or light/assault missile cruisers (Caracal/Cerberus)
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Tony SoXai
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Posted - 2011.01.21 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Schwester 6666
Originally by: Tony SoXai AF are **** mobiles and with a good pilot and enough dps can kill almost any cruiser pilot. AB/scram/nos/guns. They are cruiser killers, most are just too chicken to go after cruisers and too panicky to be able to kill drones and keep target pointed all at the same time. It takes practice but once you get into it, AF truly are cruiser killers.
AF's are fun mobiles... but no **** mobiles A Good T1/T2 Cruiser Pilot with a Neut or AB fittet just kites the AF and thats the End for every AF. It's just a Question of Transversal...
There ar some Targets that are better for AF's like Deimos/Thorax or Zealot/Omen and then there are Targets who mean a 50/50 Chance to survive for the AF (depending on the fit) like minmatar cruisers (Stabber/Vaga,Cyna etc.), Drone cruisers (Vexor/Ishtar) or light/assault missile cruisers (Caracal/Cerberus)
That's why you bring a Nos. Solo frigate without a nos is a fail fit. Good AF with a nos/cap booster you can solo just about any cruiser.
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Pod Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.21 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Schwester 6666
Originally by: Tony SoXai AF are **** mobiles and with a good pilot and enough dps can kill almost any cruiser pilot. AB/scram/nos/guns. They are cruiser killers, most are just too chicken to go after cruisers and too panicky to be able to kill drones and keep target pointed all at the same time. It takes practice but once you get into it, AF truly are cruiser killers.
AF's are fun mobiles... but no **** mobiles A Good T1/T2 Cruiser Pilot with a Neut or AB fittet just kites the AF and thats the End for every AF. It's just a Question of Transversal...
There ar some Targets that are better for AF's like Deimos/Thorax or Zealot/Omen and then there are Targets who mean a 50/50 Chance to survive for the AF (depending on the fit) like minmatar cruisers (Stabber/Vaga,Cyna etc.), Drone cruisers (Vexor/Ishtar) or light/assault missile cruisers (Caracal/Cerberus)
Hmm Kiting a frigate with a cruiser that will work great :)
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Schwester 6666
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Posted - 2011.01.21 18:58:00 -
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Sure works well did this hundred times. A Nos is good for sure but no win button.
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LPSKqwerty
Amarr CONCARD
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Posted - 2011.01.21 19:16:00 -
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Nom
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Klauz Lycan
Gallente Honor and Glory Main Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.21 21:39:00 -
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i love my ishkur. i trained especially for it and with full t2 fit its an awesome vessel. you can take a lot of ships down. still you need to know your weakness and i would never engage a missle boat. missles and a web and thats pretty much it. still, with a nos and a trackin disrupter u can perform really well. but tbh for me it was the look and the possibility to fly pretty fast and close which fits my style of play. _______________________
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