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Zan Altier
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Posted - 2011.01.06 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: Zan Altier on 06/01/2011 14:37:57 Can someone explain the problem with afk cloaked ships in space?
IÆve seen a few threads where people are asking for there to be a way to decloak or scan down a cloaked ship but i donÆt understand why.
As a high sec dweller in a corp that is war decÆed a lot, i often cloak and go afk or sit next to a gate to scout for my corp. It would be unfair if i could be scanned down or i had to constantly keep reactivating my cloak.
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Richard Christy
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Posted - 2011.01.06 14:42:00 -
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Sweet, this again.
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2011.01.06 14:48:00 -
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the only problem with the afk cloakers is the whines that spill onto the forums.
afk people AFK.
an afk cloaked ship of any kind wont stop your mining session, or stop you doing a plex or an anomnomnom or even belt ratting.
Its afk.
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Johnny Dexter
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Posted - 2011.01.06 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kendon riddick an afk cloaked ship of any kind wont stop your mining session, or stop you doing a plex or an anomnomnom or even belt ratting.
Its afk.
Until the pilot comes back to the keyboard, locates your mining operation and bombs everyone to Narnia. Unless you're in a ship that can handle some punishment, PvEing in a system with a cloaker / bomber is practically suicice.
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M4cr0 Min3r
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Posted - 2011.01.06 14:53:00 -
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In case the OP is not a troll and instead unable to use the forum search option....
The AFK cloaker griefer brigade say its ok to sit in a system all day, randomly ganking a ratter and thus limiting any pve content in that system. They claim it is one way to get around the all-seeing eye of local, and allows guerilla warfare against alliances who are too big to attack conventionally.
The RMT blob minded alliance drones say it isn't ok because the ship is 100% immmune to attack, and thus has no counter. There is no way to know if the ship is afk or not, and can gather intel as well as pick its targets. The single ship can have a covert cyno fitted, and thus represents a much larger threat than it would first appear.
TBH both sides have valid arguments.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.06 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Dexter
Originally by: Kendon riddick an afk cloaked ship of any kind wont stop your mining session, or stop you doing a plex or an anomnomnom or even belt ratting.
Its afk.
Until the pilot comes back to the keyboard, locates your mining operation and bombs everyone to Narnia. Unless you're in a ship that can handle some punishment, PvEing in a system with a cloaker / bomber is practically suicice.
unless you do these things in a fleet who can be called in to help within seconds.
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Zan Altier
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Posted - 2011.01.06 15:11:00 -
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Ah okay, thanks for educating my guys.
It sounds like standard Gorilla tactics and as null sec is supposed to be risky, i guess these guys could always move to low sec...
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Pod Amarr
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Posted - 2011.01.06 15:39:00 -
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There is really no problem with it really it is only annoying.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.01.06 15:47:00 -
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The problem is that it causes everyone's ratting/mining bots to safe up and cloak, and thus pause their money-making activities. This naturally annoys the bot owners since they had hoped that they would be the ones who'd be AFK. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Shurikane
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Posted - 2011.01.06 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Pod Amarr There is really no problem with it really it is only annoying.
Yeah, but no one in their right mind would go outside a station to mine or PVE with the knowledge that there's a stealth bomber and/or recon cruiser or what have you in the system.
Once saw an organized fleet of nothing but cloakers park themselves into all the systems of a constellation. Baiting them out of cloak didn't even make them budge.
Eventually some induhviduals said screw it and went mining/ratting anyway.
They paid for it dearly.
All the systems went into a lockdown for the remainder of the week. Switching systems only saw the cloakers just chase the guys around and safespot-cloak again.
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2011.01.06 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Dexter Until the pilot comes back to the keyboard
at which piont he ceases to be AFK and is now just a cloaker. solved.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.01.06 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shurikane
Originally by: Pod Amarr There is really no problem with it really it is only annoying.
Yeah, but no one in their right mind would go outside a station to mine or PVE with the knowledge that there's a stealth bomber and/or recon cruiser or what have you in the system.
Once saw an organized fleet of nothing but cloakers park themselves into all the systems of a constellation. Baiting them out of cloak didn't even make them budge.
Eventually some induhviduals said screw it and went mining/ratting anyway.
They paid for it dearly.
All the systems went into a lockdown for the remainder of the week. Switching systems only saw the cloakers just chase the guys around and safespot-cloak again.
That's the price of reaping the rewards of nullsec. Or does risk vs reward not apply? In highsec, random idiots suicide gank you. What gives you the right to farm null in absolute safety?
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Shurikane
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Posted - 2011.01.06 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99 That's the price of reaping the rewards of nullsec. Or does risk vs reward not apply? In highsec, random idiots suicide gank you. What gives you the right to farm null in absolute safety?
If some clown arrives and uses his modules to be unprobe-able, then I expect him to be as much of a threat as a mosquito.
If someone arrives with a payload that's powerful enough to demolish a medium-sized vessel, then I expect to have the ability to chase him around and either force him to get a move on and attempt to kill something now or escape the system because it's too hot.
Right now we're dealing with a virtually riskless method of getting under an entire system's skin. It's funny until said guy comes up and bombs the hell out of you, then runs out to cloak again. Someone out there has the ability to kill ships and the retaliation opportunities against him are heavily restricted when you compare that to how much damage that one person can cause.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.01.06 16:16:00 -
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auto repeat on cloaks. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 1SEPT10
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Grez
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.01.06 16:23:00 -
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It's mostly botters that ***** about AFK cloakers because their botting program won't bot when there's a neutral or red in local.
Nowt wrong. ---
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M'pact
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.01.06 16:33:00 -
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Quote: Yeah, but no one in their right mind would go outside a station to mine or PVE with the knowledge that there's a stealth bomber and/or recon cruiser or what have you in the system.
Once saw an organized fleet of nothing but cloakers park themselves into all the systems of a constellation. Baiting them out of cloak didn't even make them budge.
Eventually some induhviduals said screw it and went mining/ratting anyway.
They paid for it dearly.
All the systems went into a lockdown for the remainder of the week. Switching systems only saw the cloakers just chase the guys around and safespot-cloak again.
Wow, that's like, you know, bad or something.
I must not be in my right mind, as I have done anomalies with one or two neutrals in system. I didn't use anything fancy, just a T2-fitted Hurricane, and a neutral bothered me only one time. I fell victim to a dastardly double bombing run. I watched the guy drop his bomb and warp away, then the bomb pretty much bounced off my hull -- nice aim buddy! -- and exploded. Took a nice chunk out of my shields. The guy did a second run a couple of minutes later, with the same effect. End result? My heart rate quickened as I watched each bomb fly towards my ship, and the guy stole some of my BS bounties with the two bombs, but that was it. I'm pretty sure the bomber pilot was more annoyed/frustrated than I was.
A recon cruiser might have been a different story, but they can't target for at least five seconds after decloaking. I would likely have been able to escape before he could lock me up. If the neutrals had been bored enough to hot-drop my lowly Hurricane, I would have laughed out loud. ----- Marcel "M'pact" Paquet Greater impact than a planet-killing asteroid strike. |
Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2011.01.06 16:47:00 -
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"buhu i cant use my 1 billion isk printing golem in 0.0 when a scarey afk cloaker is in system with me."
if you threw a cheap BS at every posisble ratting opertunity and lost it somtimes youd still make more isk, likly to spend on other non pvp related activities (dont understand).
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AFK Cloaker
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2011.01.06 16:55:00 -
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.06 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: baltec1 on 06/01/2011 16:58:49
Because its 100% safe to uncloak and attack something in a hostile system...
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.01.06 18:45:00 -
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The idea that someone cloaking up has no counter is silly. They can't attack you while they're cloaked. If you're worried that they're waiting for an opportunity to gank you then don't give them one.
Or better yet do give them one. Go all out and throw a couple of cheap ratting ships under the bus to ganks, then whine in local about the cloakers for a while- really sell it. Then send in the bait ratter with the brick tank, drop a bubble on their face then popcorn their ass.
It almost never happens because the targets are unwilling to respond as necessary to eliminate the threat but would prefer to whine about it. It is not that difficult to coordinate a response to the group in your system. The idea that there is no counter to pilots cloaking in a system is incorrect, and this is coming from someone who pretty much makes his in-game living from doing bad things to people in 0.0 for ISK.
I've spent a lot of time cloaked in enemy systems waiting for the opportunity to pounce. The most consistent element is that if you wait long enough they'll take a chance that you're AFK and do something stupid. It always happens.
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Michelle Vega
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Posted - 2011.01.06 19:27:00 -
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I've never seen an AFK cloaker.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2011.01.06 19:30:00 -
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Bots cant function with AFK cloakers in their system, this is why thousands of players complain about AFK Cloaking
Originally by: Kool StoryBro <---
Originally by: CCP Spitfire Spam post removed.
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Anubis Xian
Word Bearers of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.06 19:30:00 -
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The only problem with afk cloakers are the people that make a big deal about them.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Spurty
Caldari V0LTA
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Posted - 2011.01.06 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: AFK Cloaker
QFT
Hoppit!
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Ephemeron
The Dirty Dozen
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Posted - 2011.01.06 19:35:00 -
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The root of the issue is that AFK cloaking tactic negates local chat.
People expect their local chat to be reliable and instant, they live by it. But when some guy cloaks up for hours in their local chat, the local chat info is no longer useful in knowing when the person is in danger.
Naturally, nerfing local would immediately make AFK cloaker issue irrelevant.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.06 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia The problem is that it causes everyone's ratting/mining bots to safe up and cloak, and thus pause their money-making activities. This naturally annoys the bot owners since they had hoped that they would be the ones who'd be AFK.
This is the truth. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Shurikane
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Posted - 2011.01.06 21:14:00 -
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OK, so we can all agree that nullsec players are all botters?
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse Broken Chains Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.06 21:22:00 -
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Edited by: Syn Callibri on 06/01/2011 21:23:14
If they're cloaked and you can't see them/scan them down, how do you know they're AFK or even there to begin with...
...I've never seen one before...oh wait.
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Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
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Posted - 2011.01.06 21:48:00 -
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People who complain over the rules of a GAME have just shown themselves to be very bad at the same game...
The rules are the same for you as for them, so if someone is cloaky-camping your systems, go do the same to them!
The ones complaining over cloakers are sort of like a Football player (European type) who throws a temper-tantrum because his team is not allowed to use their hands...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Passageway
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.06 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zan Altier Ah okay, thanks for educating my guys.
It sounds like standard Gorilla tactics and as null sec is supposed to be risky, i guess these guys could always move to low sec...
What have great apes got to do with this?
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