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Lyris Nairn
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.03 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Lyris Nairn on 03/01/2011 20:37:51
I have not bothered to keep up with the political happenings in the southern reaches of the cluster, and recently I have become curious as to who the present players are on the field in the Providence region. If someone who is not overtly aligned with an obviously-biased organization could please give me a quick update on events of the past year, I would be very grateful. Responses in this thread are fine, but I would prefer private messages sent to my NeoCom so that I don't have to sift through a bunch of irrelevant people crowing at each other to get to the information I'd like.
P.S.: CVA, -EM-, PIE, -SF-, UNITY, and friends, please keep your walls of propaganda text out of this thread. Thanks in advance.
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Benjamin Shepherd
Caldari Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2011.01.03 23:28:00 -
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I believe the overall tone and request here is known as reverse psychology. The bait has been set, and I have taken it.
To answer your question, what I know is that CVA isn't as strong as it was.
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.03 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Benjamin Shepherd I believe the overall tone and request here is known as reverse psychology. The bait has been set, and I have taken it.
To answer your question, what I know is that CVA isn't as strong as it was.
I meant exactly as I stated, and I appreciate that you didn't give me a huge wall of text. To borrow a phrase from Jade Constantine, who is "Relevant at Space" now in the South? I heard that CVA lost a lot of space a while back, but was it ever reclaimed? Could you elaborate a just a little bit more on what's happening right now?
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Rytha Main
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.01.04 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Originally by: Benjamin Shepherd I believe the overall tone and request here is known as reverse psychology. The bait has been set, and I have taken it.
To answer your question, what I know is that CVA isn't as strong as it was.
I meant exactly as I stated, and I appreciate that you didn't give me a huge wall of text. To borrow a phrase from Jade Constantine, who is "Relevant at Space" now in the South? I heard that CVA lost a lot of space a while back, but was it ever reclaimed? Could you elaborate a just a little bit more on what's happening right now?
To my knowledge (and someone please correct me if I am wrong), CVA lost all its space in Providence and was pushed back to lower domain. Recently however they have reclaimed 16 systems, with 9 of them having outposts. AAA was their primary enemy, but as I recall CVA fought alongside them recently to repel NC.
Providence is no longer safe, nor prosperous as it once was under CVA. Pirates have moved back into the area, and free commerce is no more in the areas where CVA does not hold sovereignty. much of the space I have seen was vultured by mercenary corps especially EvOke and Chaos Theory. NC has also begun taking space.
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Axel Kurki
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Posted - 2011.01.04 11:18:00 -
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Brief history:
After a failed land grab in the HED-GP pipe to Catch happening either by chance or design at the same time as the main focus of the Against All Authorities alliance or AAA was elsewhere, the Providence Holders coalition suffered heavy losses in an AAA counterattack to the then-Paxton held system of D-GTMI. The loss is generally attributed to bad discipline as well as the inexperience of the coalition's command on operating in difficult chrono-spatial conditions (commonly known in capsuleer slang as "lag"). Around the same time, the executor of the CVA alliance seemed to disappear and Aralis of Imperial Dreams assumed the post of the Executor of CVA. The Providence Holders coalition dismissed AAA's offer of quarter, apparently trusting their ability to weather the storm simply on the amount of structures deployed in their holdings. This did not work, however, and while AAA did not want the region, it was sold off or given to various small alliances, with Ushra'Khan returning to their old territory and new alliances being installed. The work was helped with some further blunders from the old holders.
In this "New Providence" alliances came and went, with the bigger players being Ushra'Khan, Sodalitas XX and Daisho. CVA started to harass the alliances holding their former territory along with the unlikely allies of Genos Occidere (who at the height of the AAA attack had even joined Severance). Ushra'Khan isn't usually considered to be a space holding alliance by nature, and leadership inactivity during a lull period made possible for a disgruntled member to sell the alliance to Hydra Reloaded, but ultimately Ushra'Khan got their alliance back after some stormy times (including being reformed as Damu'Khonde). Shortly after the event Ushra'Khan left the region. The UNITY station (9UY-4H) was sold or given to Chribba (Otherworld Empire).
On the current situation:
Worth to note that the Northern Coalition.[sic] alliance (short name <NC>, known as "NCdot") is not the same thing as the northern coalition of alliances commonly known as NC. In any case, roughly at the time of Ev0ke's attack on the "New Providence" late last year, the new coalition has taken most of the region, with many "New Providence" members evacuating and ceding their stations to either CVA or the coalition formed by Ev0ke, NC. and Not Found. alliance (beginning with Noir Mercenary Group ceding their territory to CVA slightly before Ev0ke attacked Sodalitas).
CVA will not likely leave the area, whether they will hold sovereign space there in the near future is a wholly another matter. Also noteworthy that currently and in the foreseeable future, CVA stations do not have open docking due to the amount of neutrals working for their current enemies, though their rules of engagement have not changed from attacking known enemies only. Of other powers working in the area, Against All Authorities seems to be gaining on the Initiative in Catch and maintains the capability to project power to Providence. (As clearly shown by them killing a NC. supercarrier tackled by CVA.) Of the "New Providence" alliances, Chaos Theory and Legio Astartes Arcanum still hold to a few systems. News of Legio's death have apparently been highly exaggerated and they simply have lost the members who were looking for quick profits, returning to their previous smaller size. In addition, Agony holds still the outpost formerly known as the Inflatable House (in X-R3NM) but according to most reports does not seem to have mentionable presence in Providence.
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.04 12:44:00 -
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Thank you, Kurki-haaan, for this succinct and informative response. A donation has been made to your private account as compensation for your effort. Might you be persuaded to tell me what became of the [I-RED] block, and to -SF- and their hangers-on such as Revan Neferis?
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lyris Nairn ... to -SF- ...
Once upon a time in Providence
The fall of TAZ Norlonto
Tells the story quite appropriately.
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Lyris Nairn on 04/01/2011 13:25:32
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Lyris Nairn ... to -SF- ...
Once upon a time in Providence
The fall of TAZ Norlonto
Tells the story quite appropriately.
Originally by: Lyris Nairn P.S.: CVA, -EM-, PIE, -SF-, UNITY, and friends, please keep your walls of propaganda text out of this thread. Thanks in advance.
Get out. I don't want you here, and I'm not reading another one (excuse me, two) of your long-winded, chest-thumping sermons. Pod yourself. Thanks in advance.
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:31:00 -
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[ Originally by: Lyris Nairn P.S.: CVA, -EM-, PIE, -SF-, UNITY, and friends, please keep your walls of propaganda text out of this thread. Thanks in advance.
Get out. I don't want you here, and I'm not reading another one (excuse me, two) of your long-winded, chest-thumping sermons. Pod yourself. Thanks in advance.
You ask for information on Providence and then shun the very people who live there and are most capable to give you that information?
I suppose though, the best way to get the intel without the chest-thumping is to go out and do the legwork yourself.
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: Lyris Nairn on 04/01/2011 13:35:21
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Originally by: Lyris Nairn P.S.: CVA, -EM-, PIE, -SF-, UNITY, and friends, please keep your walls of propaganda text out of this thread. Thanks in advance.
Originally by: Lyris Nairn Get out. I don't want you here, and I'm not reading another one (excuse me, two) of your long-winded, chest-thumping sermons. Pod yourself. Thanks in advance.
You ask for information on Providence and then shun the very people who live there and are most capable to give you that information?
I suppose though, the best way to get the intel without the chest-thumping is to go out and do the legwork yourself.
I asked for people whose posting histories are notorious for giving responses that are both heavily-biased in their own favor, and which are often gigantic walls of text, to stay out of this thread. The first named person to show up in the thread responds with not one, but two, walls of propaganda text, and illustrates exactly why I explicitly asked that manner of person to stay out. It's not even the chest-thumping itself that bothers me; it's the fact that these irrelevant crybabies feel inclined to write novellas when a short paragraph would suffice, and quite frankly I am disinclined to ever read anything they write because of that.
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Sinjin Mokk
Khanid Provincial Vanguard Black Inquisition
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:36:00 -
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I know it's a pain to have to sift through all that drivel to get to the real meaning in those walls of text. You can, on occassion, gain some useful knowledge from them.
And like I said, the best people to ask are the ones that live there. Even if they get a bit chatty at times.
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Lyris Nairn on 04/01/2011 13:38:52
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk I know it's a pain to have to sift through all that drivel to get to the real meaning in those walls of text. You can, on occassion, gain some useful knowledge from them.
And like I said, the best people to ask are the ones that live there. Even if they get a bit chatty at times.
I can agree with you from an academic viewpoint, and despite that I am simply unwilling to do so. Admitting to you that you are academically correct, I still elect the path that forgoes reading Jade Constantine's walls of text.
Go with God, friend. And you have my apologies if my language offended you.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lyris Nairn Get out. I don't want you here, and I'm not reading another one (excuse me, two) of your long-winded, chest-thumping propaganda sermons. People like you (both those with obvious biases, and those with wall-of-text post histories) were explicitly asked not to shit up this thread. Go cuddle up to your space-lesbian husband, cry yourself to sleep wishing you were "relevant at space," choke on your own never-ending vomit of words and pod yourself. Thanks in advance.[/color]
You sound very angry indeed, perhaps a few construction blocks short of a full load? But you will have to learn to live with disappointment. I take commands from no capsuleer. You least of all. I'd love to believe you were capable of aspiring to results in space yourself mind, but your history speaks otherwise. By all means continue to self-destruct in public. Doubtless the IGS can use the amusement.
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.04 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Lyris Nairn Get out. I don't want you here, and I'm not reading another one (excuse me, two) of your long-winded, chest-thumping propaganda sermons. People like you (both those with obvious biases, and those with wall-of-text post histories) were explicitly asked not to shit up this thread. Go cuddle up to your space-lesbian husband, cry yourself to sleep wishing you were "relevant at space," choke on your own never-ending vomit of words and pod yourself. Thanks in advance.[/color]
You sound very angry indeed, perhaps a few construction blocks short of a full load? But you will have to learn to live with disappointment. I take commands from no capsuleer. You least of all. I'd love to believe you were capable of aspiring to results in space yourself mind, but your history speaks otherwise. By all means continue to self-destruct in public. Doubtless the IGS can use the amusement.
Keep bumping the thread, and I'll keep not-reading your posts! It's a win-win.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.04 14:05:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 04/01/2011 14:06:16 Not completely unbiased, but i think i can give a objective enough of overview without resorting to huge walls of text.
I-red these days is in syndicate afaik. Other similar former holder entities are either dissolved or joined the northern coalition, with fcon being the most succesfull one, although afaik their membership is only for small part former providence residents.
Regarding starfraction. The tl;dr is that they decided to semi-ally every nbsi alliance in sight (there comes my not completely unbiased pov ), however at the same time also the only one who build an outpost and contrary to UK actually did do what they preached they would do (NRDS). With only one system they didnt were much of a powerhouse and didnt take much space, but still the NIP'ers decided they wanted to install more pets, so they backstabbed SF. The backstabbing part failed and SF was still there, but when NC. arrived to bolster evokes numers in US TZ it was over for SFs sov holding aspirations.
During the rapid collapse of the NIP CVA managed to take some more systems, and CO2 gave them some systems (well you cant really give systems, more kind of telling when sov would drop). Evoke/ewoks obviously grabbed a bunch of systems, and 404 also some. Recently 404 SBU'd loads of systems, but exact reason unknown since they were pretty much all destroyed. I dont think 404 itself can beat CVA when contesting CVA's sov, however with evoke and NC. as allies CVA is without doubt the weakest group in the region. So it is a bit of question what evoke and NC. are planning. (NC. is a bit of an unknown for me since i still dont really get how they went from wanting to kill NC to NAP'ing NC to becoming a sov holder in lol-provi).
Related to NC. are NA. (northern associates.). I havent seen too much of them yet because i havent been too active last few weeks (hotdropping supers on everything with a heartbeat does not increase the good fights factor), but apparently they still got quite some stuff to learn, considering they lost all SBUs they planted in a system to contest CVAs sov to ninjas. I have no idea how strong NA. will be, but i think again the major part is how many supers NC. is going to throw into the mix and if they got any plans atm to failcascade.
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.04 14:14:00 -
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My Understanding Thus Far:
[*] CVA tried to expand their Sovereignty, and then got kicked completely out of Providence by the people they attacked; they're fighting to regain territory. [*] -EM- became part of HYDRA. [*] I-RED moved to Syndicate. [*] -SF- gained Sovereignty in one system, then eventually got kicked out by the people who gave them that system.
Thanks for the updates.
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Biife Stuhe
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Posted - 2011.01.04 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Lyris Nairn My Understanding Thus Far:
[*] -SF- gained Sovereignty in one system, then eventually got kicked out by the people who gave them that system.
Thanks for the updates.
Actually we held it against the traitors only to lose it to Ewoks and Evoke.
Biife
ps. note no wall of text
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.01.04 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lyris Nairn My Understanding Thus Far: [*] -SF- gained Sovereignty in one system, then eventually got kicked out by the people who gave them that system.
Another clarification. Nobody "gave" us the system. We took it from the previous sovereignty-holders (CVA). And as my alliance-mate has said above, it was not lost to the traitorous big-hat NIPsters but to Ewoks alliance.
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Darth Anonymous
Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.04 15:58:00 -
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Quibbling about irrelevant details aside, you gained Sovereignty in one (1) system and then lost Sovereignty in that one (1) system.
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Spoon Thumb
Mamaleek Black Inquisition
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Posted - 2011.01.04 16:02:00 -
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Edited by: Spoon Thumb on 04/01/2011 16:04:48
Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Originally by: Lyris Nairn
Originally by: Lyris Nairn P.S.: CVA, -EM-, PIE, -SF-, UNITY, and friends, please keep your walls of propaganda text out of this thread. Thanks in advance.
Get out. I don't want you here, and I'm not reading another one (excuse me, two) of your long-winded, chest-thumping sermons. Pod yourself. Thanks in advance.
You ask for information on Providence and then shun the very people who live there and are most capable to give you that information?
Jade is so full of propaganda, and I think that is half the reason (propaganda, not Jade Per-se). The other half being that at any one time the tide of battle may be in either one or the other direction and that will directly and indirectly reflect in the writings of anyone currently engaged. No one is going to give an honest appraisal of their current performance because it gives a morale and or intel boost to the enemy
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Calfis
Amarr F.R.E.E. Explorer The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.04 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Axel Kurki Brief history:
Of other powers working in the area, Against All Authorities seems to be gaining on the Initiative in Catch and maintains the capability to project power to Providence. (As clearly shown by them killing a NC. supercarrier tackled by CVA.)
The Initiative has gone back on the offensive and conquered or reinforced several stations and systems in Catch as well as hitting AAA holdings in Impass. We expect this sov pong to continue for quite some time, so instead of saying AAA are gaining I would say we are at a stalemate with both sides trying to take advantage of timezone differences.
Also of note is AAA has for the most part been less willing to commit its super capital fleet to the fight in Catch and withdraws when reinforcements from IT Alliance enter the field.
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SpotlessBlade
Night Wolves Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2011.01.05 05:26:00 -
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To the OP.... Posting in RP forum = Walls of text ... don't like dont post IGS, try CAOD?
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.01.05 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lyn Farel on 05/01/2011 13:07:22
Originally by: Lyris Nairn My Understanding Thus Far:
[*] CVA tried to expand their Sovereignty, and then got kicked completely out of Providence by the people they attacked; they're fighting to regain territory.
If I remember correctly this was a secondary goal aimed at the HED pipeline. The primary goal was more political than anything else : -A- was a natural enemy without compatible ideals and views.
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Darth Anonymous
Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.05 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lyn Farel Edited by: Lyn Farel on 05/01/2011 13:07:22
Originally by: Lyris Nairn My Understanding Thus Far:
[*] CVA tried to expand their Sovereignty, and then got kicked completely out of Providence by the people they attacked; they're fighting to regain territory.
If I remember correctly this was a secondary goal aimed at the HED pipeline. The primary goal was more political than anything else : -A- was a natural enemy without compatible ideals and views.
CVA officials will correct me if I am wrong, of course.
The reasons why something happened are irrelevant to what happened. What happened is the question posed in the OP.
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Aeo IV
Amarr Oneironautics Research Institute
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Posted - 2011.01.05 15:07:00 -
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You can use this tool try http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Providence for the current players.
From what I can tell, CVA lost all of it's holdings to it's tradition enemies (most UK). Now they're fighting to retake the region.
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Calfis
Amarr F.R.E.E. Explorer The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.01.05 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lyn Farel Edited by: Lyn Farel on 05/01/2011 13:07:22
Originally by: Lyris Nairn My Understanding Thus Far:
[*] CVA tried to expand their Sovereignty, and then got kicked completely out of Providence by the people they attacked; they're fighting to regain territory.
If I remember correctly this was a secondary goal aimed at the HED pipeline. The primary goal was more political than anything else : -A- was a natural enemy without compatible ideals and views.
CVA officials will correct me if I am wrong, of course.
Not to toot -A-'s horn but even with views that conflicted with CVA's vision it was still strategically ill advised to attack a larger military power.
One must wonder if CVA's tacticians are amateurs.
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Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
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Posted - 2011.01.05 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Anonymous
Originally by: Lyn Farel Edited by: Lyn Farel on 05/01/2011 13:07:22
Originally by: Lyris Nairn My Understanding Thus Far:
[*] CVA tried to expand their Sovereignty, and then got kicked completely out of Providence by the people they attacked; they're fighting to regain territory.
If I remember correctly this was a secondary goal aimed at the HED pipeline. The primary goal was more political than anything else : -A- was a natural enemy without compatible ideals and views.
CVA officials will correct me if I am wrong, of course.
The reasons why something happened are irrelevant to what happened. What happened is the question posed in the OP.
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