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Playa Fly84
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Posted - 2010.12.22 10:20:00 -
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As we all know when a system is full Concord will move/tow you to the next system over. What if CCP implemented a system in which you can pay concord to tow your ship across space for you. Charge a fee for size and number of jumps and limit it to highsec and a empty hold so it cant be abused. |
Skram
Stormvanger Aerospace
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Posted - 2010.12.22 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Skram on 22/12/2010 10:26:15 It could be abused since the person being towed might be avoiding a Wardec. Of course, I'm pretty sure there are player corps that already do this for a fee.
*edit* Not Saying I wouldn't enjoy such a feature, having had to move numerous ships far across space, just that it wouldn't be fair to all the players who work so hard to kill you and take your stuff.
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Playa Fly84
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Posted - 2010.12.22 10:40:00 -
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By keeping the cargohold empty and limiting it to highsec those who want to kill u can still do it. They just do it when your hauling things. No one likes to travel 30 jumps in different ships because they are rigged. lol
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Boltorano
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.12.22 11:20:00 -
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Sure, as long as it takes 3-5 days to get there.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.22 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Playa Fly84 As we all know when a system is full Concord will move/tow you to the next system over. What if CCP implemented a system in which you can pay concord players to tow your ship across space for you. Charge a fee for size and number of jumps and limit it to highsec and a empty hold so it cant be abused.
It's called courier contracts.. might want to check it out. High sec only is preferred by the haulers. Price is around 100k/jump for Red Frog afaik. Can be cheaper on Free Market though.. Minimum delivery time you need to be able to tolerate is 2 days. Point out a reward of xxxxxxisk for fast delivery in items description and you can swing it to your liking. support Public Idea Tracker | 24hr PLEX |
Iraherag
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Posted - 2010.12.22 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: Iraherag on 22/12/2010 12:59:43 Don't know if that's intented by the OP or not, but the difference between Concord towing you to a different system and a courier contract is "you". A courier contract cannot move you in your pod along with your ship, only the unpiloted ship. And how do you put a freighter in a courier package?
Guess some people might want check out the limitations of courier contracts before coming to the forum and shooting down ideas based on not thinking...
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.22 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Iraherag Don't know if that's intented by the OP or not, but the difference between Concord towing you to a different system and a courier contract is "you". A courier contract cannot move you in your pod along with your ship, only the unpiloted ship. And how do you put a freighter in a courier package?
Guess some people might want check out the limitations of courier contracts before coming to the forum and shooting down ideas based on not thinking..
Oh, so this is a stealth "Autopilot V2.0 - 100% Safe" proposal? Nice One.
If you want your ship and your pod at the same destination, how about you fly there? If you don't want to attend that part of the game you're free to use the Autopilot. That is when you set course with the map and then undock and hit the AP Icon on your HUD. Word of advice though: avoid systems with sec lower than 0.5, being in war or have any killrights on you and don't transport/fit anything more valuable than needed to make it worthwhile to shoot your ship. support Public Idea Tracker | 24hr PLEX |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.12.22 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 22/12/2010 11:26:57
Originally by: Playa Fly84 As we all know when a system is full Concord will move/tow you to the next system over. What if CCP implemented a system in which you can pay concord players to tow your ship across space for you. Charge a fee for size and number of jumps and limit it to highsec and a empty hold so it cant be abused.
It's called courier contracts.. might want to check it out. High sec only is preferred by the haulers. Price is around 100k/jump for Red Frog afaik. Can be cheaper on Free Market though.. Minimum delivery time you need to be able to tolerate is 2 days. Point out a reward for fast delivery in items description and you can swing it to your liking. Don't forget to use collateral for your protection, in case the hauler explodes.
But who wants to move multiple rigged battleships? Can't exactly courier those. Just doing 30 jumps in 1 is enough to tear your hair out :P Do that 4 times and that's like 240 jumps round trip... - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.22 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Playa Fly84 As we all know when a system is full Concord will move/tow you to the next system over. What if CCP implemented a system in which you can pay concord players to tow your ship across space for you. Charge a fee for size and number of jumps and limit it to highsec and a empty hold so it cant be abused.
It's called courier contracts.. might want to check it out. High sec only is preferred by the haulers. Price is around 100k/jump for Red Frog afaik. Can be cheaper on Free Market though.. Minimum delivery time you need to be able to tolerate is 2 days. Point out a reward for fast delivery in items description and you can swing it to your liking. Don't forget to use collateral for your protection, in case the hauler explodes.
But who wants to move multiple rigged battleships? Can't exactly courier those. Just doing 30 jumps in 1 is enough to tear your hair out :P Do that 4 times and that's like 240 jumps round trip...
Why can't you courier contract a rigged battleships please? The volume limit for courier contracts is 980.250m3, the smallest freighter can still move 720.000m3 at level 1 .. got any rigged battleship that's unpackaged bigger than that? Show me. support Public Idea Tracker | 24hr PLEX |
Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2010.12.22 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer Why can't you courier contract a rigged battleships please? The volume limit for courier contracts is 980.250m3, the smallest freighter can still move 720.000m3 at level 1 .. got any rigged battleship that's unpackaged bigger than that? Show me.
Because you cannot put unpacked ships in a courier contract. Try putting an unpacked shuttle in a freighter, then ask your question again. While I disagree with the OP's idea, you just come across as ignorant. -----------------------------------
Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2010.12.22 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Joe SMASH
Originally by: Tres Farmer Why can't you courier contract a rigged battleships please? The volume limit for courier contracts is 980.250m3, the smallest freighter can still move 720.000m3 at level 1 .. got any rigged battleship that's unpackaged bigger than that? Show me.
Because you cannot put unpacked ships in a courier contract. Try putting an unpacked shuttle in a freighter, then ask your question again. While I disagree with the OP's idea, you just come across as ignorant.
you CAN put unpacked ships in courier contract (at least it used to work a month ago when i moved alot of rigged ships with my freighter alt).
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.22 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Joe SMASH
Originally by: Tres Farmer Why can't you courier contract a rigged battleships please? The volume limit for courier contracts is 980.250m3, the smallest freighter can still move 720.000m3 at level 1 .. got any rigged battleship that's unpackaged bigger than that? Show me.
Because you cannot put unpacked ships in a courier contract. Try putting an unpacked shuttle in a freighter, then ask your question again. While I disagree with the OP's idea, you just come across as ignorant.
WTH is wrong with you people? Are you all talking out of your ass today or what? Is Idiots-Posting-Bull****-On-The-Forums-Day and I didn't got the ****ing memo?
I just set up a courier package with a ****ing rigged battleship to be hauled one station over and there was NO PROBLEM you moron. support Public Idea Tracker | 24hr PLEX |
Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2010.12.22 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Joe SMASH
Originally by: Tres Farmer Why can't you courier contract a rigged battleships please? The volume limit for courier contracts is 980.250m3, the smallest freighter can still move 720.000m3 at level 1 .. got any rigged battleship that's unpackaged bigger than that? Show me.
Because you cannot put unpacked ships in a courier contract. Try putting an unpacked shuttle in a freighter, then ask your question again. While I disagree with the OP's idea, you just come across as ignorant.
WTH is wrong with you people? Are you all talking out of your ass today or what? Is Idiots-Posting-Bull****-On-The-Forums-Day and I didn't got the ****ing memo?
I just set up a courier package with a ****ing rigged battleship to be hauled one station over and there was NO PROBLEM you moron.
You sound mad... -----------------------------------
Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
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DustiX
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Posted - 2010.12.22 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Joe SMASH
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Joe SMASH
Originally by: Tres Farmer Why can't you courier contract a rigged battleships please? The volume limit for courier contracts is 980.250m3, the smallest freighter can still move 720.000m3 at level 1 .. got any rigged battleship that's unpackaged bigger than that? Show me.
Because you cannot put unpacked ships in a courier contract. Try putting an unpacked shuttle in a freighter, then ask your question again. While I disagree with the OP's idea, you just come across as ignorant.
WTH is wrong with you people? Are you all talking out of your ass today or what? Is Idiots-Posting-Bull****-On-The-Forums-Day and I didn't got the ****ing memo?
I just set up a courier package with a ****ing rigged battleship to be hauled one station over and there was NO PROBLEM you moron.
You sound mad...
better mad than ignorant
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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2010.12.22 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: DustiX better mad than ignorant
I dunno... As they say, 'Ignorance is bliss!' Being mad will just give you an ulcer, which is no fun, I assure you. -----------------------------------
Originally by: Kali Zero Warp core stabilizers are like condoms. Nice and safe, but they make it a little less fun for everyone involved.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2010.12.22 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Playa Fly84 As we all know when a system is full Concord will move/tow you to the next system over. What if CCP implemented a system in which you can pay concord players to tow your ship across space for you. Charge a fee for size and number of jumps and limit it to highsec and a empty hold so it cant be abused.
It's called courier contracts.. might want to check it out. High sec only is preferred by the haulers. Price is around 100k/jump for Red Frog afaik. Can be cheaper on Free Market though.. Minimum delivery time you need to be able to tolerate is 2 days. Point out a reward for fast delivery in items description and you can swing it to your liking. Don't forget to use collateral for your protection, in case the hauler explodes.
But who wants to move multiple rigged battleships? Can't exactly courier those. Just doing 30 jumps in 1 is enough to tear your hair out :P Do that 4 times and that's like 240 jumps round trip...
Why can't you courier contract a rigged battleships please? The volume limit for courier contracts is 980.250m3, the smallest freighter can still move 720.000m3 at level 1 .. got any rigged battleship that's unpackaged bigger than that? Show me.
Sorry, was looking at mass, not volume. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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DustiX
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Posted - 2010.12.22 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Joe SMASH
Originally by: DustiX better mad than ignorant
I dunno... As they say, 'Ignorance is bliss!' Being mad will just give you an ulcer, which is no fun, I assure you.
i was just pointing the fun when you first say to someone that he is ignorant then you complain he getting mad at you when he actually was right and you was the ignorant one
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Iraherag
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Posted - 2010.12.22 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Iraherag on 22/12/2010 23:55:34
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Iraherag Don't know if that's intented by the OP or not, but the difference between Concord towing you to a different system and a courier contract is "you". A courier contract cannot move you in your pod along with your ship, only the unpiloted ship. And how do you put a freighter in a courier package?
Guess some people might want check out the limitations of courier contracts before coming to the forum and shooting down ideas based on not thinking..
Oh, so this is a stealth "Autopilot V2.0 - 100% Safe" proposal? Nice One.
If you want your ship and your pod at the same destination, how about you fly there? If you don't want to attend that part of the game you're free to use the Autopilot. That is when you set course with the map and then undock and hit the AP Icon on your HUD. Word of advice though: avoid systems with sec lower than 0.5, being in war or have any killrights on you and don't transport/fit anything more valuable than needed to make it worthwhile to shoot your ship.
I like how you ignored the fact that freighters cannot be put into courier contracts. And how you suddenly arrived at "100% safe" without anyone saying anything about that at all.
Ah, it's gotta be great to be able to make up reasons to be mad at other people.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.23 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Iraherag
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Iraherag Don't know if that's intented by the OP or not, but the difference between Concord towing you to a different system and a courier contract is "you". A courier contract cannot move you in your pod along with your ship, only the unpiloted ship. And how do you put a freighter in a courier package?
Guess some people might want check out the limitations of courier contracts before coming to the forum and shooting down ideas based on not thinking..
Oh, so this is a stealth "Autopilot V2.0 - 100% Safe" proposal? Nice One.
If you want your ship and your pod at the same destination, how about you fly there? If you don't want to attend that part of the game you're free to use the Autopilot. That is when you set course with the map and then undock and hit the AP Icon on your HUD. Word of advice though: avoid systems with sec lower than 0.5, being in war or have any killrights on you and don't transport/fit anything more valuable than needed to make it worthwhile to shoot your ship.
I like how you ignored the fact that freighters cannot be put into courier contracts. And how you suddenly arrived at "100% safe" without anyone saying anything about that at all.
Ah, it's gotta be great to be able to make up reasons to be mad at other people.
I didn't ignore it. I just deleted that part of my answer, cause the main point you seemed to made was: transportation of ship and pod by npc at the same time.
Now, if that kind of moving around isn't 100% secure, who's gonna be using it? - especially with the ungrateful RNG Eve uses.
If you can't put freight into those cargo-packages, why would you want an empty freighter to be moved like that in high sec? And all of this under the consideration that there already is a method to get this done ingame: undock, set AP and activate it. It's not 100% secure, your ship (freighter) and pod travel together and you don't need to sit personally on the helm.
I can't make sense yet out of what you want.
PS: I got mad at Barakkus and Joe SMASH, cause they didn't check their claims. Happens to me too from time to time. I then apologise and all is good. You on the other hand seem to have some kind of idea, but either didn't manage to think it through yourself or didn't tell us all you got on your (hidden) agenda.. thus I interpret your stuff and think about it's implications.
PPS: and yeah, freighters are capitals and they don't go into freighter cargo holds or courier packages for that matter, same as dreadnoughts and carriers. CCP did this on purpose, as it was possible to do this earlier. Reason: for dread/carrier - could be moved through high sec this way, for freighter - ask CCP. support Public Idea Tracker | 24hr PLEX |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.12.23 09:24:00 -
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Posting to confirm you can put unpacked ships with fittings and rigs and ammo in the cargohold into a courier contract which can then be moved using a freighter. However, it nullifies insurance if i recall correctly. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
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Playa Fly84
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Posted - 2010.12.25 20:12:00 -
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I may have posted this without thinking it through 100%. My idea behind this is that yes we have a autopilot and contracts, but the autopilot will leave you and your shiny battleships sitting in a system till you return and tell it to do otherwise. This leaves you and your ship free to be ganked at someones leasure. The problem with contracts is there are not many out there with caldari freighter 5 most probably have 4. Also if you look at contracts yes they exist but people want a very high insurance value so this means even less can haul your crap. The next option is you place a low bid for insurance and a high pay out should be a recipe to make it happen fast but people cant be trusted so someone can open your package and take what u have. And once again you are out of luck. EVE is a game that takes a lot of time to play, but not eveyone has mass amounts of time to sit around and play. Not to mention how many noobs want to sit in front of a computer for a hour doing nothing but going gate to gate for 30 jumps? All I was trying to say is there is a gap in the way we move about. You can take lots of time. Or you can wait for someone to do things for you. Also the reason for having a empty hold would be to stop the abuse of people completing courier contracts by having a ship towed. If the autopilot had a feature that would dock you at a station this would be null and void btw.
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Doddy
Burning Vendetta
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Posted - 2010.12.25 20:20:00 -
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In the list of creative ways to destroy eve and make the game pointless this comes a solid second, right between ships that don't use gates and npcs that drop stuff with no purpose other than refining for minerals.
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Nuniki
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.12.25 20:21:00 -
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It would remove player jobs that already exist in the game.
So no.
If you are reading this, you are lucky.
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Cpl Punnishment
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.12.25 20:36:00 -
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THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.12.25 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Playa Fly84 I may have posted this without thinking it through 100%. My idea behind this is that yes we have a autopilot and contracts, but the autopilot will leave you and your shiny battleships sitting in a system till you return and tell it to do otherwise. This leaves you and your ship free to be ganked at someones leasure. The problem with contracts is there are not many out there with caldari freighter 5 most probably have 4. Also if you look at contracts yes they exist but people want a very high insurance value so this means even less can haul your crap. The next option is you place a low bid for insurance and a high pay out should be a recipe to make it happen fast but people cant be trusted so someone can open your package and take what u have. And once again you are out of luck. ...
Originally by: Tres Farmer Why can't you courier contract a rigged battleships please? The volume limit for courier contracts is 980.250m3, the smallest freighter can still move 720.000m3 at level 1 .. got any rigged battleship that's unpackaged bigger than that? Show me.
Again, NO PROBLEM. Ask for enough collateral, pay enough for the pilot to make it worth his time.. when you run a lvl4 with your BS, how much do you get? How much easier is it for the freighter pilot/how much more tedious? How fast do you want your BS to be at the destination? Should be NO PROBLEM to pay enourmous amounts of money.. Most people I know have BS in all their mission running stations anyways, as those ships come cheaper than moving them around on a constant basis.
Originally by: Playa Fly84 ...EVE is a game that takes a lot of time to play, but not eveyone has mass amounts of time to sit around and play. Not to mention how many noobs want to sit in front of a computer for a hour doing nothing but going gate to gate for 30 jumps? All I was trying to say is there is a gap in the way we move about. You can take lots of time. Or you can wait for someone to do things for you. Also the reason for having a empty hold would be to stop the abuse of people completing courier contracts by having a ship towed. If the autopilot had a feature that would dock you at a station this would be null and void btw.
We can already move TOO fast around Eve imho. And if you want your ship to be out of the line once it reaches it's destination while you're not on the helm, let it fly 1-2 jumps into some high sec backwater system.. out of the way.
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