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Katarina reid
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Posted - 2010.12.19 10:55:00 -
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Numbers need tweaking there only to show the idea. Ok so u have 10 hours per day of isk making. You get 30 isk making credits per day to spend on the professions. You use up credits as you do your profession.
ratting 20mins = 1 credit mining 20mins = 1 credit l4 mission x 1 = 1 credit l3 mission x 2 = 1 credit l2 mission x 4 = 1 credit l1 mission x 4 = 1 credit
Mission rats dont count to ratting. Tweak the numbers to represent the allowed isk making time. This way u can limit professions without bots mining in the day and ratting over night. Can be more than 10h a day just make it less then now 23/7. Means players can compete with bots kind of. Also can be weekly so 70h per week reset in stead of daily. End result is to get bots to make a lot less and players to make the same.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.12.19 11:06:00 -
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Or add a game-time restriction to the 30 day PLEX, so whichever of 200 hours or 30 days arrives first causes the licence to expire?
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Katarina reid
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Posted - 2010.12.19 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn Or add a game-time restriction to the 30 day PLEX, so whichever of 200 hours or 30 days arrives first causes the licence to expire?
they will just bot and buy 2x plex. adds more cost but 2 plex per account per month is not to much for a botter. my way there money is halfed and player can compete.
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Shobon Welp
GoonFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2010.12.19 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Shobon Welp on 19/12/2010 12:14:40
The solution to botting is to break the ways that bots operate and catch those using it. What you're suggesting is effectively to admit defeat and legitimise a certain level of botting, which would force every player in the game to go out and buy a 10-hour bot just to keep up with the rest. At the same time, you're penalising those players with enough Red Bull stockpiled to sit in front of their PC legitimately ratting for 12 hours on their days off work.
That's stupid.
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Katarina reid
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Posted - 2010.12.19 12:23:00 -
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i dont want to legitimise a certain level of botting. still ban bots as much as now. but my way limits how much they can earn till there banned. for the Red Bull guys i did say it can be a weekly reset also 10h is just a example. could make it 16h so at least the bot rests for 8h. that would be 112h weekly reset.
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Joel Chase
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Posted - 2010.12.19 13:06:00 -
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Could work, considering this isn't based on game time just on "bot time". Tweaking could also follow with a little work from CCP on the average ratting / mission running from normal people. And botters will still be banned normally aswell so this would limit and help the normal 3-5hour players alot.
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.12.19 17:39:00 -
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The credit idea isn't too bad but the play time timer is terrible. I spend way more than 200 hours a month logged in. I'm not necessarily playing, but I'm logged in. I run my own business from home so I'm off and on throughout the day. Incidentally, I spend very little time doing pve. An hour per day at most, the rest is chatting, afk or pvp. As proposed, the credit idea allows for 7.5 hours of lvl4 grinding per day at 15 minutes per mission. That's an aweful lot of missioning and is a fair limitation. Alternatively it allows 10 hours of ratting/mining. It won't kill off bots of course, but it does limit their effect some.
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darkgunz
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Posted - 2010.12.21 19:21:00 -
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supported
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.21 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Katarina reid
Originally by: Mara Rinn Or add a game-time restriction to the 30 day PLEX, so whichever of 200 hours or 30 days arrives first causes the licence to expire?
they will just bot and buy 2x plex. adds more cost but 2 plex per account per month is not to much for a botter. my way there money is halfed and player can compete.
And your way means they will just fire up a second account to cover the other 10 hours a day (or whatever).
Placing time limits on bots isn't the way to break them - since they can pay with ISK, it just means they have to split the time - little more overhead, but as you said, it's "not much for a botter".
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Katarina reid
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Posted - 2010.12.21 19:48:00 -
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yes but they need a character with sp on the account. which is more train time or more isk spent on buying characters. then they get banned and have to start again. the only current limit to a botter is hardware and sp.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Green-Core The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.21 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Katarina reid yes but they need a character with sp on the account. which is more train time or more isk spent on buying characters. then they get banned and have to start again. the only current limit to a botter is hardware and sp.
Um, how is that any different than the situation we have now except they have to do it twice?
Don't get me wrong, bots need to go, and if I had a workable idea that would actually slow them down I'd email it directly to CCP, but this is going to inconvenience them - nothing more.
Like paying a speeding fine - it doesn't stop me from speeding. It just makes it occasionally inconvenient for me to do so. --Vel
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Katarina reid
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Posted - 2010.12.21 20:09:00 -
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why would a botter not have as many account/characters as possible. within he isk/ month spending power. my way at least halfs his income. u can say he will buy twice as many to earn the same. wont he buy as many bots and accounts as he can any way. more account = more isk?
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2010.12.21 20:28:00 -
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Another 'solution' that hurts genuine players who may in fact have no life and like to play all day.
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Katarina reid
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Posted - 2010.12.21 20:33:00 -
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player can still grind all day put the limit weekly. a human cant play 23/7 even with no life. adjust the hours per week to allow for the no lifers.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.12.22 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: King Rothgar The credit idea isn't too bad
The credit idea basically sets a hard exchange rate for PLEX. That is, the credit idea sets a maximum ISK value that a player can extract from the game while their PLEX lasts. Paying more ISK for a PLEX than that value means an account cannot be maintained on PLEX alone. Getting less ISK than that for your dollars will drive people to illegitimate RMT, thus encouraging more botters, since botters will be the only people who will be able to extract the full value from that PLEX.
Anchoring the value of PLEX means it will no longer be useful as a trade commodity, and you kill off an entire market (and the markets that depend on it).
Originally by: King Rothgar ... the play time timer is terrible. I spend way more than 200 hours a month logged in. I'm not necessarily playing, but I'm logged in. I run my own business from home so I'm off and on throughout the day.
Would you spend a significant portion of that AFK time docked?
Would having a standalone EVE chat client allow you to remain in contact enough to decide when you want to log in and start burning hours?
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sYnc Vir
Caldari Wolfsbrigade
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Posted - 2010.12.22 05:58:00 -
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Urr what about players that dont pay for the game in game but use that thing called, REAL money.
My account doesn't have a count down on it. It just keeps on going, and limiting game time is, and im sorry if its blunt, is just about the dumpest move a game make could me.
Bad idea, if you wanna catch a botter this isn't the way. It isn't even a good way of lowering their income. All it would do is lower everyone elses and make sure they stay as the top tier earners just right at the max allowed.
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Tray LiSans
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Posted - 2010.12.22 06:47:00 -
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This is one of the worst ideas I have seen here, including the trolls.
The day that a subscription based game limits the amount of time I can connect in a day/week is the day that I stop paying the subscription.
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Reaver Glitterstim
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Posted - 2010.12.22 08:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tray LiSans This is one of the worst ideas I have seen here, including the trolls.
The day that a subscription based game limits the amount of time I can connect in a day/week is the day that I stop paying the subscription.
The time limit is not a limit of time you can spend connected to EVE, but rather a limit of how much time you can spend actively making ISK. The idea is to set reasonable limits that any human would be hard-pressed to reach the limits of, but that would still severely cripple botter income.
I am in favor because I think that even cutting botter income by one third will make their business much more difficult. It will decrease their profit margin by a lot more than one third, and force many of them out of the business entirely. The ones that remain will be unable to compete with PLEX, and nobody will be able to buy ISK for cheaper than right from CCP.
Make it 16 hours a day, or 84 hours a week, I think.
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Angie McFish
Gallente Caldari Industrial Capitalist Consortium
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Posted - 2010.12.22 08:30:00 -
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as long as this applies to plex only and not normal subscription, I'm with you. if people pay to play a game there should be no restriction on how much you're allowed to play
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Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium
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Posted - 2010.12.22 08:37:00 -
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i hate bots but this is not the right way. there should be no difference to gtc or subscription.
/not supported
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Katarina reid
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Posted - 2010.12.22 08:49:00 -
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this would have to effect all subscription types. players even who grind all day should be uneffected. could have a weekly reset of 112h thats 16h a day. people have to sleep/eat bots dont.
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Marak Mocam
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Posted - 2010.12.22 09:02:00 -
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Wasn't/isn't there some kind of law in some country that limits how long kids could play? It was put in to prevent the "addiction to games" stuff. I vaguely recall something like that from some Asian nation.
I also recall it didn't work out too well against anyone dedicated to bypassing the limits.
Interesting idea but I don't think it'll work to hamper bots -- it would only hamstring players. I know I get free-time windows and, in the past, I used to do "marathon" sessions. I don't any more but I think I'd have a bit of an attitude problem about having my "rare gaming windows" closed by such a mechanism.
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Memrox
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Posted - 2010.12.22 09:54:00 -
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Supported.
Yes it might affect the 1% of plp that don't have a life, but for the greater good of the server this is a step in the right direction.
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iceresearchwolf
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Posted - 2011.01.02 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: iceresearchwolf on 02/01/2011 02:36:23 /NOT Supported
I myself am unemployed at the moment and thus spend alot of time on eve. This would make it so that it punishes me for spending time mining or just relaxing chatting or handling corp business.
crud just realized i didn't post with my main main is IceWolfDW
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2011.01.02 04:56:00 -
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Ideas like this are why CCP goes to the Assembly Hall when they want some laughs.
TL;DR OP proposes stupid mechanic that would only penalize legitimate players.
Originally by: CCP Zulu You're assuming I read threads before I turdpost in them :)
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Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.02 06:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tray LiSans This is one of the worst ideas I have seen here, including the trolls.
The day that a subscription based game limits the amount of time I can connect in a day/week is the day that I stop paying the subscription.
I second this one. Sometimes I dont play for weeks or even months and sometimes I spend all bloody weekend on. I do not wish to be limited for what I have already payed RL cash for.
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Rip Minner
Gallente ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.01.02 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Angie McFish as long as this applies to plex only and not normal subscription, I'm with you. if people pay to play a game there should be no restriction on how much you're allowed to play
I could do this. If its just on plex. But thats going to devalue plex alot and rmt wins
Is it a rock? Point a Lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship? Point a Lazer at it and profit. I dont realy see any differnces here. |
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