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Lord Evangelian
Gallente The White Mantle
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Posted - 2010.12.14 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 14/12/2010 17:20:27 How many of you avid forum users marvelled at capital ships when you started playing the game, only to relise that they are not the SOLOWTFPWN machine that you thought they were. In the four years I have played EVE I have seen a trend in a certain type of EVE player. They are the capital pilot, who feel superiour becuase they have a capital ship.
As it currently stands, I have two skills to train before I can pilot a carrior or dreadnaught, so I am not that far off. I also have the ISK to buy one, but at the moment, I refuse as I would have no use for it. Apart from the obvious...LOOK I HAVE A CARRIER, that so many people I know love to do in game. From my understanding, and experiences flying the ship on test server, they are ships, like all the others in EVE, but they have a role, which is to take on Capital ships, and large structures. So what is the big deal.
Question/TL;DR : Are EVE Online Capital pilots superior, in other words better than you?
The White Mantle | Inactive on Forum since 20:38 on Feb 9th 2009 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.12.14 17:26:00 -
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No. They have, forcibly or willingly, trained battleships to get there and this, by very definition, makes them sissiesà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Telvani
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Posted - 2010.12.14 17:31:00 -
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just finishing JDO 5, posting to confirm once sat in my archon I will be a better person than subcapital pilots.
Its basically gunna be a cheaper, less fragile JF to me but still I look forward to not facing the 0.0 bottlenecks |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.12.14 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian Are EVE Online Capital pilots superior, in other words better than you?
I think the real question is, is anyone better than me?
Anyway, I too intend to own a carrier in the future just so that I can say I own one. I may even fly it into battle, to defend my honour. -
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2010.12.14 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 14/12/2010 17:20:27
Question/TL;DR : Are EVE Online Capital pilots superior, in other words better than you?
no, its just a different ship with different play styles are they better in certain fights? yes are they better pilots? maybe, i tend to think all ships are even on the playing field in terms of skill to pilot, some more then other s but with the exception of a few they are all based on fittings and situation. a blaster hyperion will do amazing up close against a sniper apoc ect.
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Atedar Kerane
Silentium Mortalitas
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Posted - 2010.12.14 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian Are EVE Online Capital pilots superior, in other words better than you?
yes.
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.12.14 17:38:00 -
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Yes, I marveled at Capital Class ships when I began playing Eve. Unlike you though, I never deluded myself into thinking they would be SOLOWTFPWN machines as you say. To think that as a new play would completely turn me off of a game that I hope would be balanced and fun to play.
Are capital pilots better than non capital pilots?
No
But they do have access to the tools that can make life in 0.0 much easier, and to some degree, even possible.
A personal carrier becomes an ease to the logistical nightmare that 0.0 can often be. It is much easier to be able to jump out your own goods when the **** hits the fan and you are losing a station system, than it is to rely on corp or alliance logistics.
Carriers and Dreads are also essential for POS warfare.
No one I know in 0.0 goes "omg look at me I have a dread, I'm so cool"
Its more like "****... I can pilot a dread... yay i get to go shot pos and get popped by supercaps". Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you. |
Jojo Jackson
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Posted - 2010.12.14 18:36:00 -
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No they aren't.
One of my chars can sit in an Amarr Carrier too (sit in as the suport skills aren't where I want them to be) but I never bought one. When I started EvE I saw this wonderfull carrier and thought "man, that's what I love, a BIG ARBITRATOR!!!". And most private owned (S-)Caps will never see a real fight anyway if there is any way to suround the fight. They are just to expensive to use them for normal ganging.
S-Caps are just stupid anyway. Take a look at some of the old Alliances. The list says, some of them have => 20 Titans (just titans, not counted Motherships). Used as they should be used IT, XX or NC might be able to just bomb the **** out of a region. But do they do this? No, they fly around for lulz form laolas and log out as soon as some trouble is in sight. AAA and -A- own alot of Titans. Did they used even ONE to defend their regions?
So S-Caps = wasted millions of learning points and wasted billions of ISK just to fly something pritty useless for the lulz ;).
If any corp/ally leader tell you "go learn s-cap skills" yyou might better answare him "do it yourselve with all your macroed and scammed ISK you got from the members.
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Durnin Stormbrow
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Posted - 2010.12.14 18:41:00 -
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Caps & super caps just mean that more firepower and EHP can be fielded by the same number of pilots. Much like the 1st battleships, having one made you bigger not smarter.
The 1st capital ship I ever saw was a carrier back in early 2006 when a carrier represented a real investment of corp funds.
A pilot had taken 'his' carrier (read as a corp asset that he piloted), ratting in a -1.0 system. The fact that the system he was ratting in was a region-to-region gateway and 14 jumps from home didn't slow him down; he was after all a carrier pilot and safe from whatever roaming gang might happen to come by.
By the time he called for help, the interceptor pack that was on him had killed off all of his small & medium drones, was chewing into his stock of cap boosters and had put out the call to arms to the rest of their alliance to come pop a lone carrier. By the time the 1st of our pilot started arriving to 'save him', the system had been over run with 20+ interceptors (pre-nano nerf) with more joining the fight every few minutes. Our reactionaries were slaughtered as fast as they arrived & the carrier was eventually ripped apart.
We were not impressed.
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Tom Gerard
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Posted - 2010.12.14 18:44:00 -
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In my experience Sov based corps will pull your doodle if your a cap pilot other corps tend to care less.
If you want your doodle pulled join a SoV based corp and train for caps.
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Germaldi's Dad
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Posted - 2010.12.14 18:50:00 -
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i own a carrier and a rorqual.... the reason for people getting a carrier is not to feel superior to you... the primary reason people train for carrier is to transport ships from empire to null sec... some capital pewpew and pos repping are just other uses.
the rorqual is basically a cheaper jump freighter
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.12.14 19:09:00 -
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Simply skilling up for a capital and parking one somewhere doesn't make you any better. Putting one to use does make you a better player as you then have experience using a new ship class that operates differently from subcapital ships. I do not mean better than others, I mean better than you were before. I've come across plenty of capital pilots who don't have any business in a t1 cruiser, never mind a capital ship.
The elitist part of some cap pilots is just that, elitist. Being a cap pilot itself isn't any more meaningful than being a marauder or an inderdictor pilot. It's a ship class the majority of players can't use. But that's not due to player skill, just SP. I fly amarr dreads and both amarr and minmatar carriers. And no, they aren't solowtfpwnmobiles. Well, generally they aren't. In rare cases they can be when facing really bad players in large numbers.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2010.12.14 19:11:00 -
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Carrier pilots tend to be specifically-trained alts of people that got rich doing something else on another character.
So, yeah, that player (on his other character) is probably better than you at SOMETHING, thus all the money. ---
If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous |
Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2010.12.14 19:12:00 -
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It doesn't make you a better player, it makes you 2 players usually.
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Dalek Commander
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Posted - 2010.12.14 19:17:00 -
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I own an Archon and Revelation with close to 500 kills combined using caps, and the skills needed to train for both have made this character better. The leadership skills, logistics, and improved gunnery/tanking skills needed for caps has made flying subcaps much easier, and in fights against other major pvp alliances sometimes a few more million skill points in some obscure skill might mean the difference in a fight.
I've lived in 0.0 for 3 years and can honestly say owning my own carrier has made it immensely easier to survive and prosper. It first forced me to start a 2nd account for an alt. What started as a simple cyno alt now has turned into a Tengu/Transport/Hulk/HIC pilot that I find myself playing more often then my cap pilot. Assigning fighters to a Tengu and doing anoms almost risk free has been the easiest isk I've ever made in Eve (25-30mil a tic). I am currently about a month away from owning my own personal Aeon, and yes I will pvp with it and look forward to dying in a fire with it.
TLDR: Question/TL;DR : Are EVE Online Capital pilots superior, in other words better than you?
Yes we are.
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Seul Manus
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Posted - 2010.12.14 19:36:00 -
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I would imagine having a capital ship more then anything makes you a bigger target.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.14 19:50:00 -
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Beachura is a carrier pilot. He has a history with our corp and because of this when we poped his cyno falcon the rage that spewed forth was mega.
We had our fun and then left system leaving a very disgrutaled cap pilot begging his allience for a cyno. 30 minutes later one was provided and he jumped...
...Directly onto our cyno in our bubble camp above our home station and died in a fit of rage.
So no, carrier pilots can be stupid too
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simon perry
Hostile. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2010.12.14 20:24:00 -
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Hey non cap pilot's that clearly have no idea what they are talking about Q/
FYI - caps can't be used in high sec, no wonder you dont think they are used
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123GuessWho
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Posted - 2010.12.14 20:45:00 -
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lots of morons buy capital pilots through character transfer, i've seen real stupid capital pilots even in titans.
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Julian Assagne
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Posted - 2010.12.14 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: 123GuessWho lots of morons buy capital pilots through character transfer, i've seen real stupid capital pilots even in titans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGIALyoZc3o this?
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Mourn
Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.12.14 21:08:00 -
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Being a capital pilot doesn't make you superior, Knowing how to pilot a capital ship effectively does however.
Carriers are anything but SOLOWTFPWN, one of biggest uses for carriers other than pvp is Transport of ships and assets around lowsec and 0.0.
Capital pilots are much more mobile than supcap pilots and can move a good bulk of assets with them enabling them to deploy to staging points quicker, they also dont have to deal with bottlenecks or gatecamps, etc on way to where they need to go.
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Schmacos tryne
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Posted - 2010.12.14 21:23:00 -
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How about we give one free carrier to each newbie who enters the game (And allow it to fly around in Hi-Sec so they don't loose it to griefers)? That way we are sure noone is superiohhr then others (Even though they have played the game for 5 years)! Now that(!) is a good idea!!!
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.12.14 21:35:00 -
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Fleet of 25 Ibis > Titan c/d?
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion
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Posted - 2010.12.14 22:24:00 -
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If anything a carrier is a great investment, as many people said, it is a good logistical ship, 10,000 m¦ corp hanger plus plenty of drone space and a sizable ship hanger, its great if you are moving to a new area
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2010.12.14 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Fleet of 25 Ibis > Titan c/d?
d. |
Augustus IX
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Posted - 2010.12.14 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jojo Jackson S-Caps are just stupid anyway. Take a look at some of the old Alliances. The list says, some of them have => 20 Titans (just titans, not counted Motherships). Used as they should be used IT, XX or NC might be able to just bomb the **** out of a region. But do they do this? No, they fly around for lulz form laolas and log out as soon as some trouble is in sight.
Pandemic Legion deployed 30 supers and 16 titans against the NC yesterday, outnumbered 3 to 1. Some people have the balls to use them.
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Sporked
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Posted - 2010.12.14 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Fleet of 25 Ibis > Titan c/d?
D. Everyone knows it's Velator > Titan > Ibis.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
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Posted - 2010.12.14 23:17:00 -
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Edited by: Whitehound on 14/12/2010 23:18:08 They are for old people. A lot of carebears fly them, because they need it as an extension to their peni...I mean they need it as a status symbol, but really are caps made for old people. It takes time to train for them, it takes time to build them, it takes time to get anywhere with them, and it takes time until they pop. Thus are they created for everyone who needs a few seconds to come to a decision. Young people make millions of decision in a single second, but old people make a decision only every few seconds. Put an old guy into a Rifter and you will think you are watching a freighter entering into warp. Capital ships are like a retirement home in space where you can let your character slowly die. Only get one when you need one. If you cannot see more than a blob on your screen and everything else is too small for your eyes to see then you need a capital ship. --
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.12.14 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Fleet of 25 Ibis > Titan c/d?
25 noob ships probably would out mine a titan. so c!
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Scorpyn
Warp Ghosts Omega Spectres of the Deep
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Posted - 2010.12.14 23:28:00 -
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Meh. They weren't available when I started playing, and I still can't even afford the skill. And even if I could afford the ship, I doubt that I'd actually enjoy using it.
I did actually start training towards capitals. I have some of the support skills trained a bit. However, I don't expect to train them any further in the forseeable future.
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