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Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
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Posted - 2012.08.09 18:58:00 -
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Anyone else noticed 10-15% price drop in last 12 hours?
Is it caused by new Alchemy rules or it's just more supply than demand?
Anyways i did quick stock dump im Rens just a few minutes ago. Items sold for over 3 Bils worth. Total loss 187 mils ISK. I've noticed also minerals prices started to going down i wont be much suprised to see Hurricanes hulls for 20 mils on market in 2-3 weeks from now.
Or maybe im just over reacted..
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Xinlisupreme
1000 Revolutions per Second
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Posted - 2012.08.09 19:12:00 -
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Xintri Ra'Virr wrote:Or maybe im just over reacted..
I see what you did there. :( |
Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2012.08.09 19:18:00 -
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most likely, people cashing out....
though, you might've just overreacted |
Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
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Posted - 2012.08.09 19:21:00 -
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Xinlisupreme wrote:Xintri Ra'Virr wrote:Or maybe im just over reacted..
I see what you did there. :(
Sorry if i interrupt your buisness, but i hit the alarm button as soon as i realized that modules sell orders are very close to to what i payed for them buying from Bulk Trade. And i dont think i have to explain how low the prices are on BT. Something is going on and it wont be good for traders.
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Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.08.09 19:22:00 -
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Could have something to do with Tech tumbling down from 200k to 80k in the past little while, and the price shock taking some time to propagate.
But I haven't been paying too much attention. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp.
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Posted - 2012.08.09 19:37:00 -
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guessing ships will soon follow? always takes ships a while to catch up with changes in production costs from what i can remember from when minerals rose due to hulkageddon/drone nerf/etc. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.08.09 19:56:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:guessing ships will soon follow? always takes ships a while to catch up with changes in production costs from what i can remember from when minerals rose due to hulkageddon/drone nerf/etc.
It really is too bad you can't go short on things in EVE. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
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Barakach
R-ISK Shadow Operations.
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Posted - 2012.08.09 20:11:00 -
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We'll probably have a small temp rise in mineral supply as more than usual try out mining again. |
shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.08.09 20:27:00 -
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tech did another dump thats why, nothing spectacular tho. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.08.09 20:40:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Dave stark wrote:guessing ships will soon follow? always takes ships a while to catch up with changes in production costs from what i can remember from when minerals rose due to hulkageddon/drone nerf/etc. It really is too bad you can't go short on things in EVE.
It'd be possible to short on stuff like minerals, too bad nobody actually wants to go from the "it'd be so cool if we could" to "let's do it".
Plus it's also possible to hedge and more, but that's limited both by the number of items and periods of the year when it can be done. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.08.09 20:50:00 -
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anyone saying "Man it'd be neat to be able to short X" is wishing for an actual in-game system not your silly little offering. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
fofofo |
Pipa Porto
655
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Posted - 2012.08.09 20:52:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Dave stark wrote:guessing ships will soon follow? always takes ships a while to catch up with changes in production costs from what i can remember from when minerals rose due to hulkageddon/drone nerf/etc. It really is too bad you can't go short on things in EVE. It'd be possible to short on stuff like minerals, too bad nobody actually wants to go from the "it'd be so cool if we could" to "let's do it". Plus it's also possible to hedge and more, but that's limited both by the number of items and periods of the year when it can be done.
The problem is that making an actually useful shorting system is that there would need to be some way to ensure compliance, which is problematic. I don't think that problem can be overcome while allowing scamming. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
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Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:03:00 -
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The question is how deep T2 items crash will be? I can't imagine -30% but...
In other hand T1 ships hulls prices will drop around 50% imo. More power to AFK miners :( |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1815
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:20:00 -
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corestwo wrote:anyone saying "man it'd be neat to be able to short X" is wishing for an actual in-game system not your silly little offering.
Guess what, CCP are not going to implement it.
We can sit in a corner and cry waiting for the actual in game system that will never come or deal with it.
I don't see anything silly into implementing player driven content (your whole alliance is doing it too), as EvE is a player driven economy in a player driven sandbox.
After all I held > 100B in collateral in the past and both Chribba and Grendell have done more. So the only thing preventing these things from becoming real are the guys rowing against them. Or those with too much of a little imagination to go beyond the purposedly made basic tools given by the game. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:23:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote: The problem is that making an actually useful shorting system is that there would need to be some way to ensure compliance, which is problematic. I don't think that problem can be overcome while allowing scamming.
See, there is this high philosophical way where everything is hard and impossible if not triple insured and certified.
And then there are those just doing it.
It's really, really the same thing done since years and years to hold collateral. What do you think it happens when a guy hands me 20B worth of collateral? What do you think it happens when a customer of mine hands me 20 capital ship BPOs to research?
This happens: they just hand over the stuff and get the thing done. We don't need to have a super WoWified SAFE system where every other random can safely do it, we have the 3-4 guys who can already handle it and just need to use them.
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Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:50:00 -
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corestwo wrote:anyone saying "man it'd be neat to be able to short X" is wishing for an actual in-game system not your silly little offering.
Glad I wasn't the only one to see the irony in a Goon talking **** about emergent gameplay. |
Charles Baker
Federal Mineral Acquisition VORTEX RISING
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:59:00 -
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Speculators gonna speculate |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.08.09 21:59:00 -
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Jypsie wrote:corestwo wrote:anyone saying "man it'd be neat to be able to short X" is wishing for an actual in-game system not your silly little offering. Glad I wasn't the only one to see the irony in a Goon talking **** about emergent gameplay.
If they do it, it's emergent gameplay deserving all praise and honor, if others do it, it's "silly". Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
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Posted - 2012.08.09 22:21:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Jypsie wrote:corestwo wrote:anyone saying "man it'd be neat to be able to short X" is wishing for an actual in-game system not your silly little offering. Glad I wasn't the only one to see the irony in a Goon talking **** about emergent gameplay. If they do it, it's emergent gameplay deserving all praise and honor, if others do it, it's "silly".
You misunderstand - willfully, perhaps. I actually think a proper system for being able to short things would own. I see anything run by players as silly primarily because of Pipa's point, and I'm not entirely sure how a third party would make it work any better. As VV has thought about it, perhaps he has what he thinks is an answer. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Pipa Porto
655
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Posted - 2012.08.09 22:26:00 -
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corestwo wrote:You misunderstand - willfully, perhaps. I actually think a proper system for being able to short things would own. I see anything run by players as silly primarily because of Pipa's point, and I'm not entirely sure how a third party would make it work any better. As VV has thought about it, perhaps he has what he thinks is an answer.
To be frank, I wasn't saying "Too bad you can't short" in the "I want a shorting system put in place" sense, I was saying it in the sense of "Too bad I don't have a pony," a shorting system might be nice, but there really isn't a need for it, and there are some insurmountable problems with shorting when there's nothing stopping someone from re-rolling alts and such. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
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Tesal
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Posted - 2012.08.10 00:56:00 -
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Cat fight! *reaches for the popcorn* |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.08.10 19:43:00 -
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If you really want to know.
Several days ago, I liquidated a rather sizable old stockpile of my Tech 2 fittings, I.E. I want to take a little break (maybe a month).
Prices should not drop by more then 15% per month, but fittings are fidgety, people buy em all up and relist then it goes down slowly, other fittings sell so fast that they might even go up at times.
Some one will manipulate then again, and the prices will fall again and again and again. |
Sigras
Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.08.12 09:18:00 -
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wait, wait, im still interested in this whole shorting the market thing because thats what ive been wanting to do for years.
But when you short the market, somebody has to take the opposite position, if that person is you, you stand to lose a lot of isk, how exactly would you make this work?
Even if you could get people to trust you, you wouldnt be the broker so much as the person taking the opposite position. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.08.12 18:34:00 -
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Sigras wrote:wait, wait, im still interested in this whole shorting the market thing because thats what ive been wanting to do for years.
But when you short the market, somebody has to take the opposite position, if that person is you, you stand to lose a lot of isk, how exactly would you make this work?
Even if you could get people to trust you, you wouldnt be the broker so much as the person taking the opposite position.
Well, it depends on how you take the situation.
The most classic short selling (that is NOT the naked short selling) involves the following steps:
1) Borrow stock from someone, usually there's a fee / interest to pay attached to that. 2) Sell it. 3) Wait, let the market do its course. 4) Buy stock from market 5) Give it back to said someone. 6) Steps 2 - 4 stock value = the trade profit.
In my particular case, I might have stocks of isotopes and minerals I need in the next weeks. So I don't need them *now*. You could exactly do as above: borrow the minerals from me at current bond interest value (say 5-8% a month, pro-rated / rescaled as needed), do your stuff, give the minerals back at maturity date. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Sigras
Conglomo IMPERIAL LEGI0N
151
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Posted - 2012.08.13 11:23:00 -
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yes, i know what short selling is, but my question is, why not do it yourself? arent you losing the isk that you could have made doing that very thing?
Also Im assuming you want collateral which is to be expected, because otherwise whats keeping someone from just leaving with your stuff? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.08.13 12:54:00 -
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Sigras wrote:yes, i know what short selling is, but my question is, why not do it yourself? arent you losing the isk that you could have made doing that very thing?
For the same reason people make me hold collateral instead of selling it. They need it later or they don't want to go re-acquire it or they are even using it for their own speculations.
Sigras wrote: Also Im assuming you want collateral which is to be expected, because otherwise whats keeping someone from just leaving with your stuff?
Yes. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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