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Zealiff
Corpo Scelto
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Posted - 2010.11.22 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Zealiff on 22/11/2010 20:48:06 Just a thought...do you think planning your skills based on Certificates is a good thing, OK, or bad?
Thanks
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.22 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 22/11/2010 20:47:53 I don't do it.
I prefer to plan my skills and tailer them to the line up of ships I am using.
Such as:
*12 Day skill will get me a Certificate. It will improve Tracking by 5%
*6 seperate 2 Day Skills won't get me a certificate but will increase my speed, Dmg, HP, Align Time, Lock Time and range by 5%. As well as let me use 2 new mods and a new Tech 2 Version of one I already have.
In that case I would take option 2 to be more effective now and train option 1 and get the Certificate as a bonus when it is the best improvement to the ships I fly.
-- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.11.22 20:46:00 -
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For new players, Certificates provide skill groups that theoretically work well together, so considering what they suggest is a good thing. Finishing certificates before diversifying is likely bad, consider it a work in progress.
I suggest: Look at the ship you want to fly, see what it suggests, focus on the minimum, then look at the certs. =============================== || Don't let the Trolls keep you from your goals. || =============================== |
Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.11.22 20:48:00 -
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I prefer to browse skills the old fashioned way to see what I can improve. It also helps me learn more details on game mechanics that those skills may govern. Such as tracking.
Gullible
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2010.11.22 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Apollo Gabriel For new players, Certificates provide skill groups that theoretically work well together, so considering what they suggest is a good thing. Finishing certificates before diversifying is likely bad, consider it a work in progress.
I suggest: Look at the ship you want to fly, see what it suggests, focus on the minimum, then look at the certs.
this.
Syn Callibri 21st Eridani Light Horse
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Zealiff
Corpo Scelto
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Posted - 2010.11.22 20:50:00 -
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Interesting.
I started out by planning my skills to be able to fly a certain ship. Then realized, i can fly it, but i dont have the skills to back anything up, or do anything "worthwhile" in it.
Then i went to Certs.
Now, i'm just confused, and just improving on things based on the skills. This feels like the way to go.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.22 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zealiff Interesting.
I started out by planning my skills to be able to fly a certain ship. Then realized, i can fly it, but i dont have the skills to back anything up, or do anything "worthwhile" in it.
Then i went to Certs.
Now, i'm just confused, and just improving on things based on the skills. This feels like the way to go.
What ship are you looking at and what role do you plan to fly it in?
-- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Zealiff
Corpo Scelto
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Posted - 2010.11.22 20:56:00 -
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Well, I am not planning on another ship yet, until i figure out what the hell to do.
I started the missle direction, and got up to a Raven = for missions Then went the mining direction, and got up to Hulk/Orca = for mining (obviously).
Now, i was thinking about what i was doing and wondering if this is the "right" way of doing this.
So, i stopped skilling for a certain ship, and i'm going back and learning that things i know, but just improve them.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.11.22 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Zealiff Well, I am not planning on another ship yet, until i figure out what the hell to do.
I started the missle direction, and got up to a Raven = for missions Then went the mining direction, and got up to Hulk/Orca = for mining (obviously).
Now, i was thinking about what i was doing and wondering if this is the "right" way of doing this.
So, i stopped skilling for a certain ship, and i'm going back and learning that things i know, but just improve them.
I trained all over the board in the begining to and got a bunch of races ships I can not use. I decided on didn't want to be less then useless in PVP so I chose the Hurricane and boosted my Nav, Gun, Fitting and Tank skills and found the more Tech 2 Gear I could use and the more bonuses I aqquired made my one ship 3 times better then anything else I had.
I am now doing the same thing with the Drake getting my Missile skills up(already have the tank, fitting and speed support skills from the Cane). What you need to ask your self is what is it you want to acheive. If you want to only mine work up Minning, Industry and Barge skills. If you want to only do missions go with Tank, Missile and Battleship skills. If you want to PVE/PVP get Battlecruiser, tank and weapons skills up.
You are gonna have to make a hard choice if you want to advance.
-- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.11.22 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Apollo Gabriel For new players, Certificates provide skill groups that theoretically work well together, so considering what they suggest is a good thing. Finishing certificates before diversifying is likely bad, consider it a work in progress.
I suggest: Look at the ship you want to fly, see what it suggests, focus on the minimum, then look at the certs.
great advice.
as an addendum with regards to specific choices, I would suggest going into EvEmon and looking up the ship you want and then checking the battlclinic loadouts you like and that have good feedback. EvEMon will then give you a complete training path to get into that fitting.
I do often browse the certs, however, as looking through them will often give me an indication of where my training might be deficient but I think "chasing certs" will be less useful than tailored training. .
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Scorpyn
Most X-treme Spaceships Spectres of the Deep
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Posted - 2010.11.22 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zealiff Edited by: Zealiff on 22/11/2010 20:48:06 Just a thought...do you think planning your skills based on Certificates is a good thing, OK, or bad?
Thanks
I'd say it depends on how much you know about the game. If you don't know what you're doing, following the certs (or at least taking advice from them) can't hurt.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.11.22 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 22/11/2010 21:24:52 I suspect certificates were brought in to try and give people a reason to spend that 10 or 20+ days getting a skill to 5 when it just offers a 2% increase.
It's fine to use as a guideline for what skills certain things depend on, but i don't agree with the levels they say certain things should be at. Even for some 'basic' things it's asking too much.
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CCP Greyscale
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Posted - 2010.11.22 21:33:00 -
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One of the main reasons for doing certs was for people who really do have no idea what to train. If you think you can come up with a more specific set of skills for your particular goals then I'd encourage you to try that out. If you're totally stumped, or you're not sure where to start, certs are probably worth looking at.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2010.11.22 21:40:00 -
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Eve has certificates?
The best way to learn what to skill is to use your own brain, without any data in the beginning that would be a slow process of learning though.
So, listening to experienced players is the way to go in the beginning.
Join chat-channels or, even better, join newbie friendly player corps like Eve-University! |
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.22 21:42:00 -
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Maxing out the Core Certs was the best thing I ever did.
Also, I like making it public so people can freak out when they see it ROFL!
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Zealiff
Corpo Scelto
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Posted - 2010.11.22 21:46:00 -
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All good information.
In the beginning, i started using EveMon to do the required skills for a Specific ship that i wanted to fly. Then i started looking at the Recommended Certificates that goes with that ship.
Then i started skilling for items that people were fitting on the ship i wanted to fly per above.
Now, this kind of act is like using a Garmon in a city that is too large to learn in a short time. Yes, you can get around using it, but you have to rely on it and you dont learn anything.
This is what is happening to me. I can train skill based on all of the above, but i think i am not learning as much as i would by picking skills by studying them.
I go back and forth from Missioning to Mining, because i get bored with one or the other and i want learn something else. I dont think this is bad, since i plan on keeping this toon for the duration of my Eve life.
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.22 22:03:00 -
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I like certificates. They present some generally good advice (Particularly the "core" certificate set) for skill planning. They're also an achiever typed thing.
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2010.11.22 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 22/11/2010 22:11:56
Originally by: Zealiff Now, this kind of act is like using a Garmon in a city that is too large to learn in a short time.
was this a Freudian slut? .
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2010.11.22 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Pesky LaRue Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 22/11/2010 22:11:56
Originally by: Zealiff Now, this kind of act is like using a Garmon in a city that is too large to learn in a short time.
was this a Freudian slut?
Syn Callibri Director 21st Eridani Light Horse
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.11.23 01:49:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Greyscale One of the main reasons for doing certs was for people who really do have no idea what to train. If you think you can come up with a more specific set of skills for your particular goals then I'd encourage you to try that out. If you're totally stumped, or you're not sure where to start, certs are probably worth looking at.
It's also good for veterans to see what skill they want to train next. When you are clearing 20-30 day skills, you kinda keep forgetting which one was supposed to be next.
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.11.23 02:24:00 -
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The core competency certificates are exactly what the doctor ordered for noobs who want to get into battleships ASAP. Back in the day, bitter vets would have to tell noobs to focus on their core support skills before getting into a battleship. Now we can just tell them to work on their core competency certificates.
The tanking and weapon specialization certificates are also wonderful guides. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.11.23 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
The tanking and weapon specialization certificates are also wonderful guides.
I'm still awaiting the day when I have free time to finish off my elite hull tanking certificate
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Kyra Felann
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.11.23 04:56:00 -
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I agree that at least core certificates are definitely good to have. -----SIGNATURE-----
Originally by: CCP Ginger Ships have crews, most pod controlled frigates do not, above that they have crews of varying sizes. Hope that helps.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.11.23 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Taedrin
The tanking and weapon specialization certificates are also wonderful guides.
I'm still awaiting the day when I have free time to finish off my elite hull tanking certificate
first one I got (or at least made public)
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Enno Duluoz
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Posted - 2010.11.23 06:57:00 -
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If you need a a battlecruiser to pvp...
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Lemmy Kravitz
Minmatar Rebirth.
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Posted - 2010.11.23 07:17:00 -
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Edited by: Lemmy Kravitz on 23/11/2010 07:20:02 Meh, never paid attention to Evemon or Certs. Just asked fellow players, and poured over the skills. And it became a see a need fill a need kind of thing. like the thrasher. I fell in love with that ship. I wanted to fly it uber fit. Found out about T2 guns, so I trained for small T2 guns. Then I realized I didn't have the CPU or Grid to fit, so I trained skills that effected that. Then I moved up to the BC's which made me train med guns, and armor tanks skills. Then the maelstrom caught my eye so I trained for shield stuff and T2 large guns.
atm I'm doing my drone stuff to squeeze out a couple more dps.
some day I'll get around to training MWD T2, and Webbifier T2, but they not a high priority atm. They so specific it's not worth to train atm. Drone stuff will boost all my drones dps tank etc. and get all flavor T2 drones. I see more benifit. at the same time after doing T2 torpedoes I see no reason to really spend much time doing missle traiing past what I already have. ------------------------------------------------- "Vae Victis" -Brennus |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.23 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zendoren Maxing out the Core Certs was the best thing I ever did.
Also, I like making it public so people can freak out when they see it ROFL!
You'l never go wrong with Core Competency Elite. I dont think will shiver in their pants when seeing it, or IF they see it. I've never had anyone comment on it. Personally I don't browse peoples profiles enough to see their medals/certs ---
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Miss Connolly
Public Relations Corp
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Posted - 2010.11.23 10:45:00 -
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Do not plan your skills based on the (totally idiotic and worthless) Certificates. The Certificates were some stupid idea from CCP to pretend EVE is more noob friendly - a good idea I guess - but sadly they totally failed in every possible way (like they usually do when it comes to implementing their - generally good - ideas).
Certificates are - if anything - misleading to a new player because the implicitly recommend you to train totally ******ed skills when you actually would be much better of training something else. A good example is navigation - to get "elite" or whatever it's called you have to train skills like Afterburners 5 or Fuel Conservation 5 (-5% cap usage for Afterburners per skill level - not sure about the name) which are basically low-priority skills that no noob should EVER train before they have many other (much more important) skills. Sadly the imbecilic Certificates don't tell you this. Basically it added an overly complex skill-training guide with false and/or misleading information.
My advice to any noob is: download EVEmon (google it) and then read a few noob guides to find out which skills are actually important and relevant to your play-style. Then create a list of "must haves" (for example all the fitting-related skills, useful navigation skills, Weapon Upgrades/AWU etc.) "wants" (skills that are useful but not critical such as weapon support skills to 5) and "everything else that might be nice in a few years" (stuff that's recommended by the "elite" Certificates).
You'll do much better that way then following the Certificates.
Sometimes I really think CCP only put them in as a hidden time sink so new players would first train pointless rubbish before they either quit or get some smarts. ___________________ "It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features."
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Amon Tyr
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Posted - 2010.11.23 11:08:00 -
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I'd just ignore certificates if I were you. Just click on "show all skills" on the character screen settings once in a while and get the skillbooks for all the useful green ones available.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.11.23 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sturmwolke on 23/11/2010 11:44:16
When CCP first introduced the certificates, my thought was meh, useless cosmetics. Since then, my impression of the certificates has improved considerably. Why?
It provides a common ground when players talk about skill training - just like English is an international language. You also don't have to babble incessantly on the extra details, just saying train the Core Fitting to Standard or Improved is enough. Many of the skills covered by the certificates are fairly optimal (generally speaking) and the mix is nicely balanced. So, if you were to plan your trainings purely based on these certificates, you don't have to worry much about doing something wrong. |
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