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Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:42:00 -
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*kor o/ right here. EVE has always been a game where you must go OUT of game in order to make the most of it. However, the patchnotes can be found on your launcher* (I believe) and on CCP websites, not even 3rd party. How you continue to play EVE without visiting sites amazes me. GJ |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1193
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:43:00 -
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If someone did not have the foresight to check the forums for patch information in an MMO, they deserve not to reap the benefits.
Edit: Forum stop eating my posts with 404 errors!!! |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
122
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:45:00 -
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When the speculators dump their stocks, look out. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Pipa Porto
650
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:48:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:When every solar stock except your goes up, it's called a loss. When every exhumer but yours goes up, guesswhatit'saloss.
It's also called an investment. Had you read the devblogs and patch notes, you could have made a fair bit of money (buy Skiffs at 80m, hold for 3 weeks, sell at 180m ).
The Devblogs and Patch Notes are Public, have always been public, and don't come out that often, so checking once a week will probably give you a pretty good heads up. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
El Cid Campeador
Exploding Squirrels
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:48:00 -
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I think a real life comparison would be....
"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!" |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
1
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:51:00 -
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El Cid Campeador wrote:I think a real life comparison would be....
"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!"
There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:52:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:El Cid Campeador wrote:I think a real life comparison would be....
"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!" There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods. there is no law called Ex Post Facto |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:52:00 -
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the thing you are thinking of is wrong too |
El Cid Campeador
Exploding Squirrels
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:54:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:El Cid Campeador wrote:I think a real life comparison would be....
"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!" There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods.
Wait so you are challenging people to troll you back? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1810
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:55:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:I
On the subject of purpose: everybody wanted dat Hulk. Whether you were going it solo or in a group, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it was most commonly sought after. But now people that wanted it because it was tankier or could hold more have been overshot by ships that were cheaper.
Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release. And since I've seen a fair amount of surprise, noticed that not every single EVE player is on the forums, and never got an email a week ago detailing all the changes I don't think the "This has been posted at the county records office for over a year!" excuse is going to work. I had to go into a basement, damnit!
You had the best yield ship yesterday.
You have the best yield ship today. C/D?
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:55:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:If someone did not have the foresight to check the forums for patch information in an MMO, they deserve not to reap the benefits.
Edit: Forum stop eating my posts with 404 errors!!!
What I made was a suggestion, I have no actual problem with how the patch was handled and I can wait to upgrade in the future. But just because the MMO industry expects you to watch their patch notes like the Sunday paper doesn't mean it's the right way to do things. When you have changes like these that you know will effect more then just the stats you changed, and will have a big effect, I think there need to be extra measures to the players of your game. I don't think it's right when CCP, Blizzard, or any other MMO dev pulls this kind of stunt. |
Jim Era
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
254
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:55:00 -
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I say we go and gank OP nonstop in his shiny boats that he is complaining CCP cheated him out of.
also, it was no stunt. stop playing the victim jesus ******* christ. |
Pipa Porto
650
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:57:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:El Cid Campeador wrote:I think a real life comparison would be....
"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!" There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods.
1. That's not a law, that's a Constitutional Provision. 2. That's not what it means.
The Constitutional prohibition on Ex Post Facto Laws means that the government can't enact a law that punishes people for actions that were legal at the time they were committed.
If Billy kills someone on Monday in a legal manner, the government makes that killing illegal on Tuesday, and Bobby kills someone on Wednesday in the same manner as Billy did, Billy's off the hook, but Bobby's going to jail.
Also, losing money (well, losing the opportunity to make money) because you didn't take advantage of public information is not CCP punishing you for anything. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2333
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:59:00 -
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If you wish a different Exhumer now...
Sell Hulk. Purchase other Exhumer.
No intervention necessary. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 21:59:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:El Cid Campeador wrote:I think a real life comparison would be....
"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!" There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods. there is no law called Ex Post Facto
Ahh, I was thinking of what appears to be a legal provision. My mistake. http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/ex_post_facto Man that was a long 2 seconds of Googling. While Ex Post Facto doesn't apply to what CCP has done in the slightest, it applies to the above example. |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:02:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:El Cid Campeador wrote:I think a real life comparison would be....
"But officer I didnt know drinking and driving wasnt allowed! I didnt want to read the book of laws I just wanted to live my life! You should reimburse me for my ticket and my time!!!!!!" There actually is a law called Ex Post Facto where you can't be punished immediately after a law changes, just because it changes. As far as ways to tear down my suggestion you picked a bad one. Please see above posts for better methods. 1. That's not a law, that's a Constitutional Provision. 2. That's not what it means. The Constitutional prohibition on Ex Post Facto Laws means that the government can't enact a law that punishes people for actions that were legal at the time they were committed. If Billy kills someone on Monday in a legal manner, the government makes that killing illegal on Tuesday, and Bobby kills someone on Wednesday in the same manner as Billy did, Billy's off the hook, but Bobby's going to jail. Also, losing money (well, losing the opportunity to make money) because you didn't take advantage of public information is not CCP punishing you for anything.
Ahh, wrong again was I. That makes a lot more sense then how I was interpreting it. Of course, again, the law would have been a lot better about keeping people informed about drinking and driving changes. What I originally said still holds. The rest of you have way better arguments then he did. |
Kieran Westgate
Shiva The Retirement Club
0
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:02:00 -
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feihcsiM wrote:Kor Soluce wrote:Personally, I don't think it's right to benefit or punish people just because they didn't or couldn't find the patch information before its release. Yeah, where DO they post the patch notes nowadays? I wish someone would design launcher for eve or something, maybe put the important forthcoming changes in big white font on there so you can't miss the important and imminent changes....
They should even create some sort of newsletter or at least e-mail us when there is new stuff. Maybe we should help out with the community team. |
Pipa Porto
650
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:04:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote: Ahh, wrong again was I. That makes a lot more sense then how I was interpreting it. Of course, again, the law would have been a lot better about keeping people informed about drinking and driving changes. What I originally said still holds. The rest of you have way better arguments then he did.
They posted the changes publicly. They posted a link in the launcher. They sent an Email announcing the patch.
What more do you want? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:05:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:I say we go and gank OP nonstop in his shiny boats that he is complaining CCP cheated him out of.
also, it was no stunt. stop playing the victim jesus ******* christ.
I'm probably getting myself mixed up, so let me say it again.
I have no actual issue with the changes. I have no actual issue with people being able to profit from the patch. I have no actual issue waiting to but a new rig later on. I do think there could have been better ways to handle this, I was suggesting one and why I felt that way. You're all taking my suggestion like I'm making a demand, I am not. If I'm making it seem that way I apologize. |
stoicfaux
1404
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:05:00 -
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If change can happen to a Tyrannosaurus Rex, it can happen to anyone. Besides, it's too late to roll back the mammal expansion.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:06:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Kor Soluce wrote: Ahh, wrong again was I. That makes a lot more sense then how I was interpreting it. Of course, again, the law would have been a lot better about keeping people informed about drinking and driving changes. What I originally said still holds. The rest of you have way better arguments then he did.
They posted the changes publicly. They posted a link in the launcher. They sent an Email announcing the patch. What more do you want?
See, I didn't get an email. I'll check my account and spam filter settings. Because, like I said earlier, if I'd gotten an email I would have no issue at all. No suggestions, no postin. |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:08:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:If change can happen to a Tyrannosaurus Rex, it can happen to anyone. Besides, it's too late to roll back the mammal expansion.
But reptiles got the ubernerf! D= |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
291
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:12:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:
There was, though, an unfortunate side effect. This didn't effect all miners, because some people were aware of these changes ahead of time. But, some of us were not. Like me. Cause I just don't like reading forums, seriously that's it.
Knowledge is power dude.
Seriously. This was announced some time ago. Unless you live under a rock It would have been hard to miss. And given the open market nature of EVE it pays (literally) to stay informed.
Bookmark the devblog page (or subscribe if you can, never looked to see if you can). No need to be a forum junkie. |
Kor Soluce
Atrium Exercitus
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:13:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:[quote=Kor Soluce]
There was, though, an unfortunate side effect. This didn't effect all miners, because some people were aware of these changes ahead of time. But, some of us were not. Like me. Cause I just don't like reading forums, seriously that's it.
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Knowledge is power dude.
Seriously. This was announced some time ago. Unless you live under a rock It would have been hard to miss. And given the open market nature of EVE it pays (literally) to stay informed.
Bookmark the devblog page (or subscribe if you can, never looked to see if you can). No need to be a forum junkie.
Are you stalking me? Cause you totally just described my house. That's it, I'm callin' da popo! First I have to find my phone, it's dark under this rock. |
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
543
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Posted - 2012.08.08 22:22:00 -
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Look at the navigation bar at the top of the forum. There is a big link button with the words DEV BLOGS on it. I read the dev blogs about the barge changes a day or so ago and knew that the changes were on the way by reading them and various posts on the forums about them over the past few weeks.
You can also find all Dev Blog discussion threads here. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Pipa Porto
651
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Posted - 2012.08.08 23:59:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Kor Soluce wrote: Ahh, wrong again was I. That makes a lot more sense then how I was interpreting it. Of course, again, the law would have been a lot better about keeping people informed about drinking and driving changes. What I originally said still holds. The rest of you have way better arguments then he did.
They posted the changes publicly. They posted a link in the launcher. They sent an Email announcing the patch. What more do you want? See, I didn't get an email. I'll check my account and spam filter settings. Because, like I said earlier, if I'd gotten an email I would have no issue at all. No suggestions, no postin.
Newsletter. Sent out 7/19/2012 @ 6:15
http://community.eveonline.com/community/newsletters/vol079.html?utm_source=newsletter79&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter79
Top Headline:Quote: Keeping the content coming throughout the summer months, Inferno 1.2 will introduce several more enhancements this August.
-+ Helpful new UI features -+ Angel Cartel ship texture updates -+ Better guidance for new players -+ Ship balancing: frigates and barges
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
468
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:08:00 -
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Just sell the hulk NOW, as prices are falling and buy a mack or a skiff. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Horatius Caul
Kitzless
85
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:31:00 -
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Kor Soluce wrote: I do think there could have been better ways to handle this, I was suggesting one and why I felt that way.
Sure, and the suggestion you made is completely separated from reality and shows that you have no understanding of or respect for the integrity of the EVE market and how it works. Amarrad - Amarr language project |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2012.08.09 00:48:00 -
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that was so well written that I only had to read the first few sentences to get what you were saying. |
RAP ACTION HERO
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Posted - 2012.08.09 05:24:00 -
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wai wai wait can i have a do over? it's too late to make my speculation bucks awwww |
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