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Arvash
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.17 03:49:00 -
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So I posted this thread over on IGS, and got no response, so I'm trying the OOC route too.
There is a rather official-looking Seyllin Report published by a seemingly inactive character named Dr Amira. If you're chasing the wormhole story and have not read it, I highly recommend that you do so - there are some excellent nuggets of info. The report states that there were 10 main sequence events that day in kspace, and likely another 10 in wspace, including Seyllin. As most readers of these threads know, there are in fact only a total of 10 game-wide based on database reviews - 7 legit ones in kspace, 2 in wspace, and 1 in CCP dev-land that does not fit the A0 Blue + Shattered Planet I pattern.
I blew that off as a fatfinger of sorts - Amira had counted the whole rather than the parts or was inserting opinion. Until I saw the Apocrypha trailer (I've only been playing since the tail end of Dominion). The trailer clearly shows 10 incidents in progress in non-Jove kspace. It even clearly states that one of the three "new" systems impacted is 5-CSE3 in Paragon Soul - which the database and in-game search clearly show is NOT shattered. In addition, these three systems lie outside the "ring" area the known in-game shattereds occupy.
So... This leaves me with three possible conclusions. 1) OOC simple explanation - CCP failed reality check on the trailer and decided not to put a Shattered there in the actual release. 2) IC simple explanation - the effects of the reaction were small enough in that system (and the two others) to not shatter the planet. Smaller cache of Isogen-5 maybe. 3) Conspiracy theory - CCP intentionally put this in as either a hint or a deception. Either there is something to find there, or the actors involved in the story did something in or two those systems, somehow either shielding or shortcutting the reaction.
Thoughts?
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Auwnie Morohe
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Posted - 2010.11.17 12:11:00 -
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Time to share this with the public. SeyllinEssence 3hqc-6Outer Ring 5-cse3Paragon Soul Eawe-2Stain Z8-81tImmensea Sl-ybsGreat Wildlands T-ipzbDelve 35-rk9Syndicate R79-i7A821-a Y0-bvnVale of the Silent
One system is in proper Jove space. These 10 do not include the shattered planet in CCP test space. Also funny is what the staion in Y0-bvn is named
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khazak mokl
Amarr Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2010.11.17 14:41:00 -
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Did all systems with A0 blue suns have planets that shattered? Or was it just a select few?
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Aedeal
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Posted - 2010.11.17 15:16:00 -
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A new process, but not one of sleeper origin... Orzue Osobnyk? Like I've said before, it seems to be to be the name of something or someone, and is the only non-english word we've seen in the Sleeper dictionary, so it doesn't seem to come from them.
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Arvash
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.18 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Auwnie Morohe Edited by: Auwnie Morohe on 17/11/2010 12:23:55 Time to share this with the public. 5-cse3Paragon Soul R79-i7A821-a Y0-bvnVale of the Silent
One system is in proper Jove space. These 10 do not include the shattered planet in CCP "test" space. Also funny is what the staion in Y0-bvn is named.
Edit : If I remember correctly the isogen-5 storage in the chronicles was at an ancient station of sorts and was directly behind a Planet. I think the planets going squash is just a collateral damage from the actual events. I think the report is a product of the Seyllin conference that is held every year but others should be able to comment on that.
The stations were supposedly about halfway between the planets and the stars.
The locations you have are ... remarkably exact. How were you able to nail them down? Is there another document that lists those? Or do you know these from in-person visits where the planets show in game as Barren but in person are Shattered? Or is there something else in system there that indicates they were the systems besides the sun color (see next reply below)? Neither the trailer nor the report are specific relative to the two "northeast" systems but the locations you state are certainly close enough to the spots shown to be accurate. Please enlighten me further.
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Arvash
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.18 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: khazak mokl Did all systems with A0 blue suns have planets that shattered? Or was it just a select few?
Just a select few.
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Arvash
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.18 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Aedeal A new process, but not one of sleeper origin... Orzue Osobnyk? Like I've said before, it seems to be to be the name of something or someone, and is the only non-english word we've seen in the Sleeper dictionary, so it doesn't seem to come from them.
It's the name of one of the Sleeper constructs - in C3 wormholes IIRC. Lots of info on this in the very long threads (15-24 pages currently) on this forum about Rogue Drones and Sleepers.
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Auwnie Morohe
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Posted - 2010.11.18 12:02:00 -
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I was wrong it wasnt in the chronicles but in chapter 36 of the Empyrean Age Novel. It has a lot of information on the T-ipzb site in Delve. It was at a derelict "alien" station directly behind the first planet.
All the sites were found via the trailer. All of them become readable at some point even if just for one frame except the Y0 one which is not hard to figure out though.
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Aedeal
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Posted - 2010.11.18 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Arvash
Originally by: Aedeal A new process, but not one of sleeper origin... Orzue Osobnyk? Like I've said before, it seems to be to be the name of something or someone, and is the only non-english word we've seen in the Sleeper dictionary, so it doesn't seem to come from them.
It's the name of one of the Sleeper constructs - in C3 wormholes IIRC. Lots of info on this in the very long threads (15-24 pages currently) on this forum about Rogue Drones and Sleepers.
No **** Sherlock....
I know what it is, but what does it *mean*? What I said was a potential meaning for it.
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Arvash
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.18 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Aedeal
Originally by: Arvash
Originally by: Aedeal A new process, but not one of sleeper origin... Orzue Osobnyk? Like I've said before, it seems to be to be the name of something or someone, and is the only non-english word we've seen in the Sleeper dictionary, so it doesn't seem to come from them.
It's the name of one of the Sleeper constructs - in C3 wormholes IIRC. Lots of info on this in the very long threads (15-24 pages currently) on this forum about Rogue Drones and Sleepers.
No **** Sherlock....
I know what it is, but what does it *mean*? What I said was a potential meaning for it.
If you read through the other threads, CCP Dropbear has stated that Oruze = sun. I believe he also defined Osobnyk, can't remember exactly what but I think it was "home" or some such.
So, go take a look, Mr. Watson.
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Arvash
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.18 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Auwnie Morohe I was wrong it wasnt in the chronicles but in chapter 36 of the Empyrean Age Novel. It has a lot of information on the T-ipzb site in Delve. It was at a derelict "alien" station directly behind the first planet.
Dear CCP:
It absolutely blows that you need to go buy two books to figure out an in game puzzle. I've put in around 500 jumps and who knows how many hours flying around looking at things in game, probing things down and trying to interact with them, only to find that the answer (thank you Amann Karris and Auwnie Morohe for telling me) to many of the questions I have are only available in Empyrean Age or Burning Life.
Could you at least post some of the key puzzle details on the wiki or something?
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Aedeal
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Posted - 2010.11.19 10:18:00 -
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Edited by: Aedeal on 19/11/2010 10:18:24
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If you read through the other threads, CCP Dropbear has stated that Oruze = sun. I believe he also defined Osobnyk, can't remember exactly what but I think it was "home" or some such.
So, go take a look, Mr. Watson.
That was a player doing a vulgar translate from slavonik languages. What CPP Dropbear actually said was 'Russian wont help you here' - AKA the translation 'Osobnyk' to 'house' wasn't gonna be of any use.
I think it was somewhere http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1314015&page=1#2 here
CCP have spent ages crafting this puzzle, you think he's gonna just go 'oh fine, here's the answer'? IMO we need to step back back from the finely crafted theories with odd conclusions and go back to the solid facts. Once they're all together, maybe we can re-examine them and see what theories fit where. The theories aren't *wrong* exactly, but they all seem to miss something, perhaps by this method we can piece them together and see where they fall down.
EDIT: Typos ><
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Amann Karris
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.11.19 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Aedeal CCP have spent ages crafting this puzzle, you think he's gonna just go 'oh fine, here's the answer'? IMO we need to step back back from the finely crafted theories with odd conclusions and go back to the solid facts. Once they're all together, maybe we can re-examine them and see what theories fit where. The theories aren't *wrong* exactly, but they all seem to miss something, perhaps by this method we can piece them together and see where they fall down.
This. Theories are a good starting point. Proving them is something entirely different. Sometimes proof points in another direction, and if you don't take those signs as they come, and read them properly, you can be led far, far astray.
The other problem is looking at a problem from a singular perspective. For instance, if you look at simply the visual evidence collected by telescopes, the evidence points to the universe speeding away from the Earth. Does that mean that the Earth is the center of the universe, and that the Big Bang was centered on Earth?
There's possibly more than one "mystery" going on, and many interpretations of the evidence. What makes sense? What fills in the most blanks? Do those answers make sense in the scope of the entirety of the situation?
It may not make sense at first.
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Arvash
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.19 23:02:00 -
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Gents - At no point have I requested, nor do I expect, CCP to simply plop an answer in our lap. I DO expect to be able to solve an in-game puzzle IN GAME, or at the very least with in-game information in conjunction with available materials within my subscription cost.
What irritates me is how often there are surprise, theory-altering level pieces of information that are ONLY available to you if you buy extra materials. It would be like not being able to finish Civilization without the strategy guide. Like having to pay extra for the last 10 minutes of a movie.
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Amann Karris
Amarr Protocol Dark
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Posted - 2010.11.19 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Arvash What irritates me is how often there are surprise, theory-altering level pieces of information that are ONLY available to you if you buy extra materials. It would be like not being able to finish Civilization without the strategy guide. Like having to pay extra for the last 10 minutes of a movie.
The thing is, this isn't a single-player game. As Dropbear said himself, it will either take a genius or a collective effort from several players to fully piece things together.
You don't have to buy the book; find someone who has. The information I've seen in the novel, however, is not exclusive to the novel. There are other sources, most in-game, to corroborate it with or gain knowledge of.
The Blood-Stained Stars is a good place to start, as it's available to pretty much every pilot in-game. There are some major plot revelations in there, if you know where to look. For instance, did you know that the Amarr have extensive databases of information on pre-Jovian technology?
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Arvash
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.11.20 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Amann Karris The Blood-Stained Stars is a good place to start, as it's available to pretty much every pilot in-game. There are some major plot revelations in there, if you know where to look. For instance, did you know that the Amarr have extensive databases of information on pre-Jovian technology?
I blew through the epic arc as a noob and admit to missing much of the story content - is there a transcript somewhere that someone maintains with the full texts for reference?
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Umega
Solis Mensa
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Posted - 2010.11.20 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Arvash
Originally by: Amann Karris The Blood-Stained Stars is a good place to start, as it's available to pretty much every pilot in-game. There are some major plot revelations in there, if you know where to look. For instance, did you know that the Amarr have extensive databases of information on pre-Jovian technology?
I blew through the epic arc as a noob and admit to missing much of the story content - is there a transcript somewhere that someone maintains with the full texts for reference?
Do it again. It can be done every 3 months from when you last completed it. Good for the hands on experince.. also good in helping to grow/fix any of the four empire faction standings with no negative outcome to others, as one will get a nice boost depending on which agent you pick before Dagan. Start is in Arnon system.
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Amann Karris
Amarr Protocol Dark
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Posted - 2010.11.20 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Arvash
Originally by: Amann Karris The Blood-Stained Stars is a good place to start, as it's available to pretty much every pilot in-game. There are some major plot revelations in there, if you know where to look. For instance, did you know that the Amarr have extensive databases of information on pre-Jovian technology?
I blew through the epic arc as a noob and admit to missing much of the story content - is there a transcript somewhere that someone maintains with the full texts for reference?
A link to the page on the EVE Wiki.
I haven't checked all the links, but it seems like there's either a link to a walk through or the information is linked to a wiki page with the briefing information.
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