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JooJoo Akarr
Territorial Western Alliance of Higher Technology
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Posted - 2010.12.02 01:18:00 -
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You're right, he may be ranting, but I've played this game for long enough to know that Eve isn't very forgiving to those who start. I spent my first 2 months trying to figure this game out on my own. Figuring out how to make money and get the cool ships. I've played for almost a year now and I STILL haven't figured out pvp to its fullest. It just saddens me to see things like 3 year old players camping outside of academies with Ishkurs baiting new players to "click on this can for a pvp tutorial" while they surround themselves with the wrecks of tech I frigates and destroyers that took those players days to train and earn enough isk to get.
Sometimes one bored player trying to raise his K/D ratio with "noob" kills can detract a good handful of new players from this great game.
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Corndog Sandwich
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.12.02 04:52:00 -
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i would say it sure was worth it for the guys who blew you up :P
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Nicky's Tomb
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Posted - 2010.12.02 09:05:00 -
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Edited by: Nicky''s Tomb on 02/12/2010 09:07:40 Edited by: Nicky''s Tomb on 02/12/2010 09:05:52 I have (my main anyway) tried PvP in various ways.
Solo can flipping in High Sec. Living for 6 months in 0.0 Stain in the middle of a war with the goons. And now... low sec 'presence'.
My main is 2.5 years old and has 24mil skill points. Yet when I went into low sec last night what did I fly? A T1 frigate.
Why? When you aren't good at PvP, the larger your ship, the harder it is to escape and the easier you are to kill. A T1 frigate harder to kill than a BC? Yes, if you know how to fly a frigate. Also, if/when, someone out smarts you or does manage to point you and kill you, you lose much less.
Chances of killing something in a T1 frigate? Maybe a noob such as yourself on his own in a cruiser, maybe not a BC though.
I recommend this to you, use CHEAP ships, don't fly with implants. Learn the mechanics of PvP, or hunting, scouting, running and avoiding camps, safe spots, scanning, strategy and tactics. Learn how to use local.
I think you learnt the first one the hard way. A perfectly valid and common used tactic is baiting or probing the enemy. Works like this:
Someone sits on gate and scans arrivals into the system. They are probably cloaked so you don't know they are there. They could even be several AU away with their scanner focused on the gate. They see local rise and scan the gate. If you just came through they know what you are flying, but they don't know "who" you are, unless your ship is still called "MyName's something", when they will search you in "People and places" and find out how old you are and what corp you are with etc.
Step two in the hunt is to find where you went. Then they send a single ship to make contact. If you agro it, or it agros you, they are seeing what kind of DPS you can do and what kind of DPS you can take. At this stage the single ship can still run. Most likely they will just call in the rest of their gang and kill you all.
Learn to pick the fights you can win and the fights you flee. I would start by fleeing most fights as that is the best way to learn low/null sec survival. If you are dead you aren't going to learn to fight very well in a pod, if you even get away with that.
A frigate is one of the easiest ships to get away in and will teach you a lot about the mechanics, even if you can't kill much in it, you might survive long enough to learn a thing or two.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.12.02 09:55:00 -
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Edited by: Dodgy Past on 02/12/2010 09:58:02
Originally by: Zantris
Originally by: Emulated i understand this game is getting plenty of updates such as walk in stations which are nice in all but the combat in my own opinion dosent feel like it requires enough skill. sure i can be a fat crosseyed star treck fan and enjoy the game because i get off to scifi and ive been playing the game since launch. but what about newbies who are top tier fps/rpg twitch gamers that get stunlocked and insta ****d after investing 60 million in ships and fitting them? its not like i was jumped by people in carriers most were cruisers. eve really needs to deploy a combat game update because right now it feels really dated and almost as if its done so the server load would be minimal.
This is an MMO. PvP in MMOs is probably the most pathetic form of "skill-based" PvP in gaming. I have no idea why you are playing MMOs if you want skill based PvP.
Go play Black Ops, or Starcraft 2, or something that is not an MMO.
Nope you're just bad at it.
Smaller fleets do take on and defeat much larger fleets. We had a 50 man Snipe HAC gang and drove off a 75 man Snipe HAC gang and a 75 man Drake blob that were working together with no losses.
There are quite a few entities that can pull this kind of thing off in Eve and they manage it not through superior SP or numbers but through a combination of coherent fleets, FC and pilot skill.
Hasn't even taken me that long to get there either, I only started PvP'ing around this time last year. |
Slik
Minmatar Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2010.12.02 10:11:00 -
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I was going to read all 5 pages but I was almost crying after this first page so decided not to.
Emulated you're toon isnt skilled enough nor is your friends if it's the same age to be putting up any kind of fight in your ships vs what they brought to the table. Solo PVP in eve is pretty rare, 8 or 9 times out of 10 you can bet your ass the guy you're attacking in lowsec is bait. Be suspicious about targets that are "too good to be true".
Also there are actually elements of skill involved in eve PVP, you clearly haven't played long enough to have even begun to scratch the surface.
I wish you the best of luck in WoW when you go back to it :) Yep. |
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