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McDeth
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Posted - 2010.11.15 15:49:00 -
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People solo with Frigs, can it be done with destroyers? Why / why not? They seem to be the most underused class I have seen.
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Bluejacket CT
Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.11.15 16:03:00 -
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Very viable actually, but there is a downside.
Destroyers have a large signature radius for the amount of tank they can fit, which means that they get chewed up by medium guns and have a harder time making it through gate camps compared to a frigate.
That being said, they're great suicide DPS boats, and ships like the AC or artillery thrasher and blaster catalyst can melt a lot of frigates before their tank caves in.
As for whether or not they're underused, I see them a lot in my part of low sec.
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Lord Zekk
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2010.11.15 16:08:00 -
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They're pretty mean ships and are very common in Faction Warfare. The Thrasher can go toe to toe with pretty much any AF. So can the Coercer but it has only one mid so usually no tackle.
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Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2010.11.15 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Zekk
They're pretty mean ships and are very common in Faction Warfare. The Thrasher can go toe to toe with pretty much any AF. So can the Coercer but it has only one mid so usually no tackle.
This.
With the usual exception of the dramiel, thrashers and coercers are the best ships to have in minor FW plexes (oh, and Griffins, but that's different). Cheap and highly effective in their role.
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McDeth
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Posted - 2010.11.15 16:23:00 -
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Catalyst / Cormorant?
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.11.15 16:33:00 -
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Catalyst or Thrasher tbh. Mostly the Thrasher.
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hjgjgfgfgsj
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Posted - 2010.11.15 16:46:00 -
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cormorant catalyst or thrasher. you can deinately solo in them. with a good fit you can **** any frigate and be real competitive with assault ships which is good considering how much you pay for a destroyer. and though you may not be able to speed tank as well as a frigate, they all have great tracking and gankage and theyre a lot faster then the cruiser counterparts so they spank more. and you can kite with a long range setup and still do good dps and tracking interceptors well enough to kill them if they orbit past 20 or kill them before they get to you if they orbit at 500.
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Artemis97
Caldari
SniggWaffe
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.11.15 16:50:00 -
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Thrashers are awesome honestly. Its a great ship to learn to solo in because it allows you more engagement options with little sp required. The heretic is okay but lack of miss causes a problem outside of gangs. Cormorant is worthless and the catalyst is p. badass.
Once you have the skills and the isk, interdictors are better because they have the same damage bonuses but no longer have a 25% rate of fire reduction that comes with dessies
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McDeth
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Posted - 2010.11.15 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: McDeth on 15/11/2010 16:50:56
Cool
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Led Zeppelin420
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:37:00 -
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I love my Cormorant and I do everything in it except lvl 3s and up. I love the way it looks to. I cant wait for the day they give the destroyers the long awaited update they need. The only things I hate are how the thrasher has more missile slots than the Cormorant and caldari are supposed to be the missile boats and they dont give the Cormorant the 8th gun slot all the others have.
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Radcjk
Karmic Asylum
Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:42:00 -
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Solo Thrasher PvP is viable.
Everything else is is just an increased likelihood of purchasing a shiny new medical clone.
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IoWalker
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Posted - 2010.11.16 05:49:00 -
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Pop off an ECM cycle or two on a destroyer and his day is ruined. Just a slow, gunless, gigantic signature radius pinata at that point.
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TaluxA
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Posted - 2010.11.16 08:10:00 -
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You could say that about almost any ship that gets tackled and jammed really.
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F0rum Tr0ll
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2010.11.16 11:34:00 -
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Thrasher Army  !!!!!!
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Diesel47
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Posted - 2010.11.16 13:09:00 -
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The Cormorant should have 8 missile slots instead of gun slots.
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Tieram
Gallente
Xoth Ltd
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Posted - 2010.11.16 15:47:00 -
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I used to fly a T2 fit coercer with 50km range. it'd pop intys almost instantly and could almost take most HACs before they hit 15km but was iffy. could tear a dictor up pretty fast as well
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Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.11.16 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Diesel47
The Cormorant should have 8 missile slots instead of gun slots.
But then what would us Caldari pilots use as our first salvage boat? 
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Mr Jebidea
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Posted - 2010.11.16 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia
Originally by: Diesel47
The Cormorant should have 8 missile slots instead of gun slots.
But then what would us Caldari pilots use as our first salvage boat?
Do you mean first and only? I'll probably keeping using my Cormy as a salvage boat after the Noctis comes out.
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Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.11.16 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Jebidea
Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia
Originally by: Diesel47
The Cormorant should have 8 missile slots instead of gun slots.
But then what would us Caldari pilots use as our first salvage boat?
Do you mean first and only? I'll probably keeping using my Cormy as a salvage boat after the Noctis comes out.
Nah, I know a few people who switched to Drakes later on. More low slots, so more cargo. The only drawback is speed. Me, I switched to Thrashers and Catalysts once I trained my Gallante and Min frigate up a little. Still as cheap as a Cormorant, but you get more low slots again.
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VIP Ares
Minmatar
BALKAN EXPRESS
B A L E X
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Posted - 2010.11.18 11:15:00 -
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Destroyers are viable in PvP if you generally limit your targets to frigate/destroyer hulls.
Anything cruiser sized or above will kill you easily (generally speaking and properly fitted).
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Syfa
Caldari
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.11.23 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Ayeipsia
Originally by: Diesel47
The Cormorant should have 8 missile slots instead of gun slots.
But then what would us Caldari pilots use as our first salvage boat?
Protip : Neither salvagers nor tractor beams require a turret hardpoint to function, all you need is an empty highslot.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2010.11.23 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Radcjk
Solo Thrasher PvP is viable.
Everything else is is just an increased likelihood of purchasing a shiny new medical clone.
Bringing a sniper-style catalyst in at a good bookmark and popping enemy frigs before they can touch you seems like it would be viable, too. But maybe I'm just stretching to find a good use for rails (and am amused as the idea of a small-hull sniper boat), I haven't actually tried it.
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Koryo Torath
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Posted - 2010.11.24 17:12:00 -
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Cormorant is alright for solo PvP because you can put dual propulsion on it and still have about 5000 EHP, it's going to fly like an oversized Frigate, the only Destroyer i ever took into losec. Thrasher is good for killing Frigates, most fun with it in 0.0 with tacklers and SBs around, Catalyst and Coercer are both bad, unless you don't mind flying a cross the galaxy to find the one newbie that'll die to you.
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Syfa
Caldari
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.11.24 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Koryo Torath
Cormorant is alright for solo PvP because you can put dual propulsion on it and still have about 5000 EHP, it's going to fly like an oversized Frigate, the only Destroyer i ever took into losec. Thrasher is good for killing Frigates, most fun with it in 0.0 with tacklers and SBs around, Catalyst and Coercer are both bad, unless you don't mind flying a cross the galaxy to find the one newbie that'll die to you.
Catalyst and Coercer both have their places, unfortunately these places aren't in *solo* pvp, Catalysts are pretty cheap gank boats, and Coercers can do *frightening* amounts of damage for a destroyer hull especially when pulse fitted with scorch ammo.
Thrasher is IMO the only one that's really viable for any sort of solo pvp at all, but to be honest I think destroyers perform best as the 'heavy hitters' of a frig gang.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.11.24 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Machiavelli's Nemesis
...Cheap and highly effective in their role.
Huh? I can buy and fit an AF for the same price of a T2 fitted Coercer (~18M) ... FW made the prices of frigate mods spiral out of control.
That is the main reason I switched to using the Slicer almost exclusively for minor plexes. Two hulls per lvl4 mission (ie. 10-15mins of 'work') so cheap as chips for militia folk.
Slicers are much more versatile, capable of responding to changes on the battlefield far more readily than any destroyer ever could.
@OP: If you can find the appropriate targets then yes, destroyers are very much capable of solo-pvp. They are expensive to lose though when T2 fitted, mainly due to gun count so you have to include that in your descision process.
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KushHaze
Minmatar
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.25 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: KushHaze on 25/11/2010 22:48:16
Thrashers are amazing ships and once you get the sp to fly a saber you will harvest many tears, but I have to call BS on the guy above who claims to be able to take down most HAC's as most cruisers would would run off a dessi let alone any hac, if your solo and cant get a point or one/two shot someone otherwise then your not almost taking anything and if you get close enuf to point a Hac in a dessie your a dead man even if you get close to a arty munnin in a autocannon/blaser dessi his tech2 resists will hold out more then long enuf for his drones to chew you to pieces.
Hunt frigs, AF's, other dessies and a few select cruisers. Do not however go for Drams, Iskurs or HAC's you will die a horriable death also stay away from shield tanked ruptures as they are probably fitting 425's with TE's which means their range on just the autos alone rivial that of your arty thrasher.
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Zofe Stormcaller
B4D W0LF
Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.11.26 00:46:00 -
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From my experience destroyers work best in groups by leeroying in and ganking someone, then warping before you get popped. I was recently part of a group that baited a gatecamp into agressing a bait maller then we jumped in, killed their lachesis then we all warped to a friendly pos. The enemy were in machariels and the like and were unbelievably ****ed at losing their recon to a bunch of t1 dessies :)
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Syfa
Caldari
Anshar Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.11.26 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Zofe Stormcaller
From my experience destroyers work best in groups by leeroying in and ganking someone, then warping before you get popped. I was recently part of a group that baited a gatecamp into agressing a bait maller then we jumped in, killed their lachesis then we all warped to a friendly pos. The enemy were in machariels and the like and were unbelievably ****ed at losing their recon to a bunch of t1 dessies :)
Some friends and I managed to find a c1 wormhole with a decently set up pos... and some cruisers / frigates with pilots inside of them outside the bubble fairly recently.
We got 2 artillery thrashers together, warped them to our covops who had set them all up to be at their optimal range, popped a frig and warped out before POS guns and batteries could lock us and GTFO'd while their corp kinda went "what the hell just happened". Many laughs were had on vent, to date it remains one of our fondest killmails despite its incredibly low value.
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Radcjk
Karmic Asylum
Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2010.11.27 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Radcjk on 27/11/2010 01:59:06
Originally by: Lost Greybeard
Bringing a sniper-style catalyst in at a good bookmark and popping enemy frigs before they can touch you seems like it would be viable, too. But maybe I'm just stretching to find a good use for rails (and am amused as the idea of a small-hull sniper boat), I haven't actually tried it.
One would think, academically, but it isn't the case. Sadly the state of railguns, and hybrids in general, ruins the concept. The tracking of railguns is near to miserable, and any thing small is going to close with you quickly. Railguns have neither high dps nor significant alpha potential.
It's been my experience, either personal or as a first hand witness, that small frigs do one of two things under Rail-Cormy fire. GTFO or close with and engage.
Only decent Cormy use I've found is, for PvP, is 0 tank ewar boat slinging antimatter at 17 kms in dessie gangs.
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VanNostrum
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Posted - 2010.11.27 08:41:00 -
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In the long run you'll get more ISK destroyed than ISK lost, but your ship losses will be more than you killed.
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