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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2010.11.09 11:11:00 -
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The Council of Stellar Management presents a public roundtable
When Date: November 21st, 19:00 to 21:00 Eve time Location: ingame chat channels 'CSM_roundtable_answers' and 'CSM_roundtable_questions'
What The Council of Stellar Management is organising an public roundtable where you, the players, can ask us difficult questions about what we've been doing and how we've been doing it. CCP will also be attending in the form of CCP Xhagen, the CSM project manager, to field any questions you may have about the relationship between CCP and the CSM.
As the roundtable takes place aproximately three weeks before our december summit with CCP, this will also help us determine if there are issues we need to discuss with CCP that have escaped our radar and provide some measure of how effective we've been in representing the playerbase.
Note that this event is not intended to pitch your own CSM proposals or ask us "why the nighthawk doesn't get a bit more powergrid".
* * * Director of Education :: EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
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Johnathan Walker
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.11.09 16:39:00 -
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Quote: * CSM Processes, Tools, and Evolution
I am so there! Warmly, "The Bear" JW
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cerbus
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.10 05:59:00 -
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I'm so coming to hang out in the "CSM_roundtable_spahm" channel Its been a while since you had one of these and I endorse this product and service.
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2010.11.10 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: cerbus I'm so coming to hang out in the "CSM_roundtable_spahm" channel Its been a while since you had one of these and I endorse this product and service.
not sure if we've ever had one of these :o
* * * Director of Education :: EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2010.11.10 11:47:00 -
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I'll be there as well! ____________________________ CSM Project Manager
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Tather Demaleon
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Posted - 2010.11.10 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal not sure if we've ever had one of these :o
There have been CSM members answering questions in premade channels for this purpose before, maybe not with this level of involvement though.
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.11.10 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: TeaDaze on 10/11/2010 18:38:12
Originally by: Tather Demaleon
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal not sure if we've ever had one of these :o
There have been CSM members answering questions in premade channels for this purpose before, maybe not with this level of involvement though.
There were a few candidate roundtables organised by Mynxee which a number of us took part in during the CSM5 elections.
Looking forward to this one.
TeaDaze.net Blog | CSM Database |
wr3cks
Reliables Inc Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.11.10 22:55:00 -
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I'm a bit confused about what the point of this is.
The CSM has approved, what, 200 proposals by now? And yes, that list includes things like a rebalance of field commands -- why doesn't the nighthawk get more grid? (and another midslot and a higher base shield recharge to compensate)...
I understand that you don't want Cromo Effect/Double Dee showing up to ramble about their own hairbrained schemes, but are we not to ask about particular proposals that have already been approved and gone nowhere? If not, what's the point?
And honestly, even if we are, what's the point of that? Hey, remember that stuff that we have been asking for over the past two years? We still want it.
Please provide some examples of questions that you think are appropriate, because your example of a long-standing balance issue as something that is not to be discussed is totally baffling.
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2010.11.11 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 11/11/2010 11:21:25
Originally by: wr3cks I understand that you don't want Cromo Effect/Double Dee showing up to ramble about their own hairbrained schemes, but are we not to ask about particular proposals that have already been approved and gone nowhere?
Because there's not much we can tell you about specific proposals (either due to NDA or because there's simply not much to say). Issues that have been approved by the CSM and CCP have gone into the development backlog. The fact that they havent been implemented yet is because so far other things have taken priority when it comes to development time. I want to avoid the whole roundtable to digress in 2 hours of players asking "What about issue X" and us answering "It's in the backlog". Similarly, using the roundtable to say "hey I have an idea, can you guys bring it to CCP?" will only get you the answer of "we'll look at it after the roundtable".
To get answers to questions like that, its more effective to contact delegates directly (outside meetings). It's ok, we don't bite ;)
Instead, focus on the general process. Is the CSM delivering what you, the player, expect from it? Are we giving players enough information and do you feel represented? If there are problems and people feel certain areas of the process should be improved, how can we do that? Also, if there are major issues in Eve that we need to discuss with CCP that have escaped our attention so far?
My hope is that after this roundtable we have a better view on what we are doing right, and what could be improved (and how).
* * * Director of Education :: EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
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Akrasjel Lanate
Gallente Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2010.11.12 15:12:00 -
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Quote: * Microtransactions
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Nareg Maxence
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.12 16:14:00 -
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I want a the table to be shaped like a superellipsis!!
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.11.12 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Akrasjel Lanate
Quote: * Microtransactions
We need to get enough feedback from players (for and against, positive and negative) to add weight when we discuss this at the next Iceland summit.
Certain people within CCP are quick to class any negative comments as bitter vets so the more people who respond with reasonable concerns the better.
TeaDaze.net Blog | CSM Database |
Celebris Nexterra
Gallente Canderous Vextors Odd Jobs Inc Confederacy of Protean Warriors
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Posted - 2010.11.12 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
* Game Balance Requested by Players
YAY!! And I don't work on Sunday =) I'll be there!
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Erik Finnegan
Gallente Polytechnique Gallenteenne
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Posted - 2010.11.13 17:31:00 -
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The CSM convinced CCP of the benefits of delaying the expansion for additional polishing and bug-fixing. And the mini-expansion which we get meantime is basically made up of CSM-relayed featured. Is this going to be a roundtable or a party ?! |
Lord Gragert
Minmatar Mercury Metal Mining
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Posted - 2010.11.13 20:59:00 -
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Whats meant by microtransactions? Pay a dollar and get your cargohold filled with ammo? Pay a dollar and get a bonus million skillpoints?
I certainly hope thats not the case.
Sigh, I blame the WoW sparklepony for this. Rule 1. A fair fight is evidence of poor planning. Rule 2. There is no such thing as overkill. Rule 3. Pillage, then burn. Rule 4. That which does not kill you, has made a tactical error.
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Chibisuke
Gallente Children of Avalon
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Posted - 2010.11.14 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: Chibisuke on 14/11/2010 08:03:01
Originally by: Lord Gragert Whats meant by microtransactions? Pay a dollar and get your cargohold filled with ammo? Pay a dollar and get a bonus million skillpoints?
I certainly hope thats not the case.
Sigh, I blame the WoW sparklepony for this.
More like: Wasting a plex to do an additional stat remap. At least thats what CCP was planing.
btw.: Regarding not able to tell stuff about the accepted proposals (by NDA).... If I understand you correctly CCP censors the stuff the CSM can tell the players by gag-ordering them, when they dislike what it would be? Which kind of embarassing stuff would come out if they wouldn't?
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Arnold Predator
Special Situations
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Posted - 2010.11.14 08:26:00 -
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Edited by: Arnold Predator on 14/11/2010 08:37:11 Edited by: Arnold Predator on 14/11/2010 08:29:02 Hybrid guns balance (CSM) Fix blasters (CSM) Hybrid guns balance CSM meeting Blasters 2.0 Maybe take a look at blasters....just saying. I know its not what your looking for but I can't make it the roundtable meeting to bring this up. If you guys would come up with a solution for this BIG problem that KEEPS being brought up I would very happy. Saying us blaster boat pilots to learn another weapon type is not a solution like what the meeting minutes sugest. Sorry but we expect more then that.
The blaster 2.0 thread has 20 pages of ideas that would go along way to making blasters/hybrids weapons better. Is it right that pluse lasers get 85% the damage but with 300% more range. Yes they have worse tracking but they have longer ranges, thus not needing as much tracking. Just take a look. Most people arenÆt looking for more range... there asking for more tracking.
Here is a quote from Blasters 2.0 thread (page 20) that gives a good example of what people are saying in the thread and what there asking for.
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Originally by: Doctor Aibolit Some statistic facts from Top20 http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 : Top 20 killer ships: there are only 2 Gallente ships (Mega - 3rd place, Myrm - 20th place) Top 20 weapons: there is no blaster and surprise - there is 425 Railgun :) ( fleet VS fleet )
P.S. You see - just learn something else. Something else is better than Hybrids
i think megathron is that high becuase of tracking bonus , which somehow fix blaters by its own.
Is it asking too much that this get brought up to ccp again? This effects many players of eve and needs to be looked at and kept in the spot light for ccp so they know they need to look at this. THIS EFFECTS HALF of the races in eve! Its not a small problem its effecting 1000Æs of players in game. Please spend some time on this. I would really like to see CCP gets this fixed by the summer expansion. This should have been fixed long ago...
On a side note:
Thank you CSM for your hard work on getting micro-transactions either out of the game for good or for cosmetics only. ThatÆs some BS that needs to be primaryed and killed.
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Mynxee
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Posted - 2010.11.14 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: Mynxee on 14/11/2010 12:13:21
Originally by: Chibisuke btw.: Regarding not able to tell stuff about the accepted proposals (by NDA).... If I understand you correctly CCP censors the stuff the CSM can tell the players by gag-ordering them, when they dislike what it would be? Which kind of embarassing stuff would come out if they wouldn't?
No, CCP generally only imposes NDA for features which haven't been announced, stuff that could be considered advantageous to competitors if it was public knowledge, proprietary corporate data (such as future plans or financial or legal data), and (most of the time) advance disclosure about which CSM backlogged items are being worked on for a given patch. The latter is typically due to wanting to avoid player disappointment if a particular item doesn't make it in, since many factors impact the ability to achieve development goals. I am not in favor of this approach regarding status of CSM backlogged items being worked; I think players should be told what's in the pipeline because I think they are smart enough to realize that saying that is not a promise, but a plan.
CCP does not otherwise attempt to "gag" us from telling players things which would make CCP uncomfortable. If that were true, the June Minutes or for that matter, the October Minutes, blog posts, tweets, and forum posts from myself, Teadaze, and a few others would not be nearly as critical or cuttingly analytical as some of them have been.
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cerbus
Aliastra
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Posted - 2010.11.14 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze
Originally by: Akrasjel Lanate
Quote: * Microtransactions
We need to get enough feedback from players (for and against, positive and negative) to add weight when we discuss this at the next Iceland summit.
Certain people within CCP are quick to class any negative comments as bitter vets so the more people who respond with reasonable concerns the better.
Maybe you can remind them of the multiple threads in the assembly hall on microtransactions and get everyone to place their votes during your round table. There are over 1000 replies with peoples views.
No Plex for Remap Microtransactions - Yes, No, Cosmetic Only?
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cerbus
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Ramman K'arojic
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Posted - 2010.11.15 00:28:00 -
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Can you post a post summary of the questions and answers as discussed at the round table.
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.11.15 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ramman K'arojic Can you post a post summary of the questions and answers as discussed at the round table.
We'll release the chat log from the moderated channel after the roundtable so those who are unable to attend can see the questions and responses.
TeaDaze.net Blog | CSM Database |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
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Posted - 2010.11.15 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Note that this event is not intended to pitch your own CSM proposals or ask us "why the nighthawk doesn't get a bit more powergrid".
Damn, that's exactly what I was going to ask Is anyone at CCP really in doubt whether they should increase its powergrid?
Other than that, nice initiative. I wish it would be of any usefulness. |
Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2010.11.15 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Chibisuke btw.: Regarding not able to tell stuff about the accepted proposals (by NDA).... If I understand you correctly CCP censors the stuff the CSM can tell the players by gag-ordering them, when they dislike what it would be? Which kind of embarassing stuff would come out if they wouldn't?
No, we just cant tell you everything CCP tells us. For example, we've known for a long time which CSM features would (most likely) end up in Incursion. However, in order to correctly manage expectations (features may be dropped at the last minute) we can't tell you right away.
The NDA exists so CCP can tell us things they cannot tell the general playerbase yet, and is of great use to us. The June summit meeting minutes showed that they do not use the NDA to censor us when our opinion is not a positive one.
* * * Director of Education :: EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
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JIMM MAYFIELD
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Posted - 2010.11.15 18:40:00 -
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jimm mayfield,125,171,203,79,161,163,48
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Minigin
Cosmic Fusion
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Posted - 2010.11.15 23:35:00 -
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i dont know if i will be on for this, but things i would hope are discussed:
1. is csm really having an impact on the shaping of this game? 2. if so, how? / if not, in what way can we achieve a better voice for the playerbase? 3. state of 0.0 (that is to say everything from stagnant sov / coalition systems / supercap production rates / instant travel etc.) 4. how we can get more people and more groups out into 0.0?
if i hear one more csm make an excuse about why nothing will change rather than how we can either convinse/force ccp to look at issues... just do the job you have been elected to do. if you cant please step aside for someone with a better idea of how to get things done. . color poastar.
Revisal > Nice job trying to troll me but luckily I'm smarter than you. :D
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2010.11.16 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: JIMM MAYFIELD jimm mayfield,125,171,203,79,161,163,48
wrong thread :P
* * * Director of Education :: EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
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NAP Cancer
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.11.17 00:56:00 -
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This should be fun ;)
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Sokratesz
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Posted - 2010.11.17 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Akrasjel Lanate
Quote: * Microtransactions
please come, I intend to remodel my house and I'll need lots of bricks á
I think CSM is a pretty cool guy. eh creates e-drama and doesnt afraid of anything. |
Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2010.11.21 13:50:00 -
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Bumpy reminder for everyone.
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Kalle Demos
Amarr Hysteria Nexus
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Posted - 2010.11.21 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Minigin i dont know if i will be on for this, but things i would hope are discussed:
1. is csm really having an impact on the shaping of this game? 2. if so, how? / if not, in what way can we achieve a better voice for the playerbase? 3. state of 0.0 (that is to say everything from stagnant sov / coalition systems / supercap production rates / instant travel etc.) 4. how we can get more people and more groups out into 0.0?
if i hear one more csm make an excuse about why nothing will change rather than how we can either convinse/force ccp to look at issues... just do the job you have been elected to do. if you cant please step aside for someone with a better idea of how to get things done.
/signed
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