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Debir Achen
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Posted - 2010.11.08 03:07:00 -
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There's a corp I want to grind up to 8.0, which means a raw standing in the 7.6 range before Connections. I've seen guides on how to fix faction standings and on how the standings themselves are calculated, but not on raising a specific corp. Any tips?
Caveat - I have neither the skills nor finances to efficiently run L4 missions (well, not to field a missioning T2 battleship)
Questions include: - are standings gains impacted by agent quality? - what sort of missions provide the most standing boost / most standings boost per unit time? |
Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.11.08 03:43:00 -
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if staying level 3 you want mulitpart storylines....they are more standing boosts. Also try as best you can to get storylines for the corp as well normal missions. Certain factions make this easy. Sisters of eve only gives SOE storylines and shoots up fast standings wise.
Other factions...as you move up the agents can divert. My combat main for example ran CN for a bit. But rarely in areas with CN storylines though. He is like 8. something for CN (mostly normal grinding). 7. something for Zainou (all storyline) and high 6 with spacelane patrol (again all storyline).
TBH, higher you go, you need the 4's and you have to grind them as standings are an adjusting scale. I for example just wnat to run my current corp to 10 (just my thing, pve without goals is boring...hell its boring with goals but can't commit to null sec atm :( ). The 9's are grindy as all hell even with storylines and normal agents for my corp.
Also since you have a goal of 8 in mind. Is this just for clones? Corp called EAC does free jc's. Its under new management but they kept up its free clone policy iirc. Is nice to work up to your own....but if you need jc's fast, EAC can make that happen.
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Debir Achen
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Posted - 2010.11.08 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: Debir Achen on 08/11/2010 05:43:48 I'm something of a newbie, so there was a little too much abbreviation in there (eg what does "the agents can divert" mean?).
For argument's sake, let's say I want a jump clone in a specific Quafe* facility (ie running generic SoE, COSMOS, or faction epic arc missions won't help). How do I bias the x16 storyline missions so they will be given by Quafe agents? Are there specific mission types (and thus mission agents) I should be focusing on? Or is any L3 or (L4) mission much the same as another? Do quality 15 agents provide more standing than quality -15 agents? Do other factors that modify rewards (my current standings, lower security status, Negotiation, etc) modify the standing gains?
(* example only; please don't suggest a specific Quafe agent) |
Alaik
Northstar Exploration
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Posted - 2010.11.08 08:06:00 -
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Edited by: Alaik on 08/11/2010 08:10:39 I am pretty sure you'll only get storyline agents within the corp you are currently performing missions with.
Storyline missions are mainly useful for gaining the faction standing with the sov holding group, rather than gaining standing with the corp in particular. Yeah, they give standing to the corp too, but they are often slightly more annoying to complete than standard missions.
Just blitzing missions as fast as possible at whatever level you can will be fine. It'll go up faster if you are doing level 4s, so by all means aim for a decent BS while you are running whatever level you currently can, but you'll get there eventually even on level 1 missions.
Regarding your question on if the quality affects the standings gained, I have been told it does, but I found it more trouble to keep moving from agent to agent than just sticking with one. Sure, you can skip around if the increase in cash is also important, but finding a good agent with no nearby lowsec systems is just easier than heading to the next agent, finding it sucks for XXX reason, then going back. Researching which level 4 agent is best is worthwhile for when you get there, but at lower levels I don't think it's worth it.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.11.08 08:27:00 -
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Train Social, Connections and Negotiation skills.
To maximize Corporation standing gain, you'll want to have a storyline agent from the same Corporation.
http://eve-agents.com/
Enter the Corporation name and click yes for the Storyline option. See where the nearest Agent is located compared to your regular Agent. Can also check to see location of specific level Agents in the same Corporation. Try to have the 16th mission Agent near the Corporation Storyline Agent
Example - Your level 3 high quality regular Corporation Agent is located 6 jumps away from the nearest Corporation Storyline Agent. However there's a level 3 low quality Corporation Agent located 1 jump away or in the same system as the Corporation Storyline Agent. The Faction has a Storyline Agent 1 jump away from your level 3 high quality Corporation Agent in another Corporation.
If you do 16 missions for your regular level 3 high quality Corporation Agent you'll receive the Storyline offer from the Faction Storyline Agent who is in another Corporation.
If you complete 15 missions for your regular level 3 high quality Corporation Agent and then do the 16th mission for the level 3 low quality Corporation Agent located near the Corporation Storyline Agent, you'll receive the Storyline offer from the Corporation Storyline Agent instead of the Faction Storyline Agent who is in another Corporation.
I hope this helps.
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Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.11.08 08:59:00 -
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Blitz lvl 3 missions for standing. Lvl 4's give only a little more standing per mission and typically take a lot longer to complete. I suggest getting a nice battlecruiser set up for speed and high dps (fit an Afterburner and a small tractor beam on it, you'll thank me later).
Find a high quality lvl 3 agent and do missions for them. I recommend a security/internal security or other high combat percentage agent. Expect to work at this for a long time, though, as grinding from 0-7.6 will take probably close to 40 hours. Alternatively you can fire a freelancer to grind standings for you, but that is rarely cheap.
You'll learn what missions to avoid, like the Blockade, as it takes a long time to blitz and the standings reward is mediocre. Other missions, like Driving the Wedge 1 and 2 and Lights Out, give ridiculous standing for little work.
About agent quality: The higher quality and effective quality the agent, the more likely you are to get higher paying, and tougher, missions. Tougher missions usually means more standing, but not always.
If there's anything else I can answer, feel free to contact me in-game.
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Debir Achen
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Posted - 2010.11.17 00:45:00 -
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Thanks for that - very helpful.
Another tidbit of information - I was going back through my 'standings transactions', and I noticed standings gains for individual missions vary. Example, a L1 mission granted ~0.13%, and then a couple of days later the same L1 mission granted 0.25%. I didn't notice until after the fact, so can't cross-check vs agent quality, but it does seem that it makes a difference. |
Lemming EVERADIO'FAN
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.11.17 04:24:00 -
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Edited by: Lemming EVERADIO''FAN on 17/11/2010 04:27:41 I just ground out Standings for my corp in 3 days, from zero to hero without the aid of Faction standings with that corp.
Get your gear together:
1- Range fit Destroyer able to blitz level 1's and 2's combat missions 2- Intercepter or quick friggate to run small courier missions 3- Cruiser or Hac to Blitz Level III's. 4- Whatever you use to blitz level IV's (or have your corp mates help you with the blitzing) 5- Hauler with 8000m3 of cargo space. (May want a retriver in case you get a mining mission)
Steps: * Find a level 1 combat agent, blitz and do storylines, if you don't have to kill every rat, then don't. Keep the cepter around for the micro courier missions - those will eat up most of your time. * Do the same for Level II's and III's. * Find the lowest quality level IV DISTRIBUTION agent you can get your hands on and blitz those missions. Try and see if the storyline agent that kicks out is to an archives or distibution story agent.
The key for going from the 4.x to 8.0 is a storyline courier missions. Distribution agents hand out both big standings standard missions and a really nice 25-35% corporate standings courier mission. Your running storylines not for the standings gain themselves, but the faction gain storyline missions. You can grind out 1-2 storylines every hour to hour and a half if your quick enough with your hauling. With social at V (rank 1 skill) will make this fairly quick. Just do every storyline your given and go from there. Don't worry about the faction statings hit if your running an odd or pirate storyline mission. I only took about -0.43 standings hit against my "Nemisis" for the entire grind.
And as a note, if your wanting to find a "Cluster" of agents to do this with, use the locator to find a storyline agent with the corporation your wanting to work with and use the agents within 1-2 jumps of that agent. Pick your Storyline agent first, then your mission agents!
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Patyrn Runner
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Posted - 2010.11.17 07:03:00 -
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Effective quality doesn't seem to affect your standings gain at all.
I think these are the only things that effect standings gains. -security status at the location of the agent -what mission it is -your social skill -agent level -base quality might affect standings gains
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.11.17 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Patyrn Runner Effective quality doesn't seem to affect your standings gain at all.
I think these are the only things that effect standings gains. -security status at the location of the agent -what mission it is -your social skill -agent level -base quality might affect standings gains
I hate to say this but you need to read this: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Agent#Effective_quality
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.11.17 12:05:00 -
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if you can find a station with multiple lv 3 agents you can grind standings very quickly.
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Tigerras
Smash Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.11.17 12:34:00 -
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I've done a lot of standing service running, so here's what I've observed about standings increases:
The same mission from the same agent, regardless of effective quality will always give the same standings increase percentage in show transactions. This percentage, though, is based off of a total percentage gain divided by number of fleet members (for fleet turn ins). Your results seem to indicate you were in a fleet when the mission was turned in.
Agent quality has no effect on standings increases, except that, the better the agent (in quality and effective quality) they higher the chances of a good paying/more difficult mission. About half these missions have really good standings increases.
Also, find a nearby storyline agent for your corp and do missions near it.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.11.17 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 17/11/2010 14:44:14
"Effective quality also directly affects the reward and your standing gain with the agent and their corporation, for every mission."
That is from Evelopedia.
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Ireikan
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Posted - 2010.11.26 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Ireikan on 26/11/2010 14:57:15 Having done more than a few missions, I feel the need to clarify a concept in this thread.
16 missions of the same level for the same faction gets you a storyline within that faction. If you run 16 level 4 missions for Caldari Navy, for example, the storyline can still be from any nearby Caldari faction storyline agent.
My main has 9.05 standing with "House of Records". Never ran a "House of Records" agent. Same for "Mercantile Club" and "Echelon Entertainment". Though one or more of those could easily be Cosmos related (every mission is a storyline or part of a multi-part storyline).
If you want a jumpclone in a specific station, you don't necessarily need 8.0 with the corp that runs the station. Get your clone in a different station, go to the target station and jump into the clone. Buy a second clone. Repeat to spread out your JC's where you want them.
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Cyniac
Gallente Twilight Star Rangers
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Posted - 2010.11.26 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Cyniac on 26/11/2010 17:37:55
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 17/11/2010 14:44:14
"Effective quality also directly affects the reward and your standing gain with the agent and their corporation, for every mission."
That is from Evelopedia.
And as many things within the Evelopedia, it can be proven to be false. Try it - fly the same mission with two different agents with very different effective quality - you will get exactly the same standings increase. I know - I moved to a lowsec mission hub and ran missions for a month with lvl 4 Q 20 agents to get exactly the same mission standings as with the lvl 4 Q -16 highsec agents.
Mission rewards were higher yes - but standings rewards were identical. (Mind you this was a couple of months ago - could have changed again by now)
As an aside - if you are looking for a jump clone you should note that you need base standings of 8.0 with the corporation - not effective standings. the connection skill will not help you here.
There are a couple of other ways to get jump clones if that is all you need. I know of very few other reasons why people would need a very specific 8.0 standings.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.11.26 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 26/11/2010 18:57:08 àand as someone who's doing this right now, and who has nowhere else to ventà
ARGH! Why is it that the last 0.01pt takes 345,654+ longer to get than ALL the other points before it!
edit: and now, I got handed an Ice mining mission, just to make things even more merry. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2010.11.26 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cyniac Edited by: Cyniac on 26/11/2010 17:37:55
Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 17/11/2010 14:44:14
"Effective quality also directly affects the reward and your standing gain with the agent and their corporation, for every mission."
That is from Evelopedia.
And as many things within the Evelopedia, it can be proven to be false. Try it - fly the same mission with two different agents with very different effective quality - you will get exactly the same standings increase. I know - I moved to a lowsec mission hub and ran missions for a month with lvl 4 Q 20 agents to get exactly the same mission standings as with the lvl 4 Q -16 highsec agents.
Mission rewards were higher yes - but standings rewards were identical. (Mind you this was a couple of months ago - could have changed again by now)
As an aside - if you are looking for a jump clone you should note that you need base standings of 8.0 with the corporation - not effective standings. the connection skill will not help you here.
There are a couple of other ways to get jump clones if that is all you need. I know of very few other reasons why people would need a very specific 8.0 standings.
Sorry. I totally disagree with you. Considering that there's also a lot of other variables that affect the reward and standing gain.
Also you only need a modified +8.00 Corp standing to get Jump clones, that's with the Connections skill added.
Anyway, I'm about done with replying to threads posted in these forum sections, seems everyone is an expert on everything now and CCP can't and won't make any definite statements on how anything is calculated or averaged out or just exactly what affects specific statistics, skills, attributes, items, standings, etc.
Good luck.
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