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RutilusUnus
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Posted - 2010.11.24 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: RutilusUnus on 24/11/2010 16:18:19
Originally by: Drexciyian Ive gone from 5 to 2 accounts using plex to transfer, wonder how many others will do the same
I'm sure some people will condense accounts with the use of plex, so it may take awhile for the price of plex to fall due to this and the stubbornness of traders but it is surely falling. Give it another month and prices will be much lower then they are at this moment.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2010.11.24 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: RutilusUnus Edited by: RutilusUnus on 24/11/2010 16:18:19
Originally by: Drexciyian Ive gone from 5 to 2 accounts using plex to transfer, wonder how many others will do the same
I'm sure some people will condense accounts with the use of plex, so it may take awhile for the price of plex to fall due to this and the stubbornness of traders but it is surely falling. Give it another month and prices will be much lower then they are at this moment.
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Why do you think they are going to fall ?
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.11.24 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123
Why do you think they are going to fall ?
1. Summer ending, many kids going back to school & having much less time to farm ISK; many will either unsub or swap over to paying for a reg sub. 2. Highly-anticipated mechanics change caused a bubble in PLEX prices. Bubbles don't grow infinitely, they burst. 3. Said mechanics change is not going into effect, so demand will not even go up to expected levels. 4. Respected members of MD forum are pretty unanimously agreeing that price will drop. Look up "self-fulfilling prophecy".
Any one of these factors would likely lead to PLEX prices dropping to some degree. We have all of them. At once. *** Wish list for PI:
*One-click input routing *Copy product, inputs & outputs in factories *Launchpad upgrades: twice the space, twice the cost, half the hassle! |
MailDeadDrop
The Collective
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Posted - 2010.11.24 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123 Why do you think they are going to fall ?
Originally by: Berikath 1. Summer ending, many kids going back to school & having much less time to farm ISK; many will either unsub or swap over to paying for a reg sub. (snip) Any one of these factors would likely lead to PLEX prices dropping to some degree. We have all of them. At once.
/me checks calendar.
/me considers that Berikath could be in the Southern Hemisphere, then realizes that it is the end of Spring there. "Is it the end of November where you are?"
Given that your very first point is utter nonsense, I shan't bother to evaluate the remaining ones.
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Cash Equivalent
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Posted - 2010.11.24 17:08:00 -
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It's almost December--Summer ended 2 months ago. Things traditionally pick up over the holidays. Demand, rather than speculation, is responsible for the recent increases. There are no signs of a bubble.
At Christmas I'm projecting an ask price of 390 with occasional churn over 400.
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Maria Yumeno
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Posted - 2010.11.24 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cash Equivalent It's almost December--Summer ended 2 months ago. Things traditionally pick up over the holidays. Demand, rather than speculation, is responsible for the recent increases. There are no signs of a bubble.
Wouldn't increased activity mean more people buying plexes for $$$ as they have more time to spend playing the game? ....oh ghod, it's all just a vicious cycle, i can't get my head around it!
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RutilusUnus
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Posted - 2010.11.24 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Berikath
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Why do you think they are going to fall ?
1. Summer ending, many kids going back to school & having much less time to farm ISK; many will either unsub or swap over to paying for a reg sub. 2. Highly-anticipated mechanics change caused a bubble in PLEX prices. Bubbles don't grow infinitely, they burst. 3. Said mechanics change is not going into effect, so demand will not even go up to expected levels. 4. Respected members of MD forum are pretty unanimously agreeing that price will drop. Look up "self-fulfilling prophecy".
Any one of these factors would likely lead to PLEX prices dropping to some degree. We have all of them. At once.
Points 2-4 are probably the ones that I see are the most valid. People were stocking up on plex and causing the price to bubble because of the plex-for-remap shenanigans. Now with this feature not coming into affect people are stubbornly sitting on stocks and hoping that the price doesn't go too far down. If it does though it will just cause a huge sell off and drop prices. I think that the increased uses for plex will keep them high, maybe just not as high as they are at this current moment. These are all guesses though so who knows
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Minnie miss
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Posted - 2010.11.24 18:38:00 -
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Still no signs of crashing PLEX here.
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Ashina Sito
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.11.24 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: MailDeadDrop
Originally by: Caldariftw123 Why do you think they are going to fall ?
Originally by: Berikath 1. Summer ending, many kids going back to school & having much less time to farm ISK; many will either unsub or swap over to paying for a reg sub. (snip) Any one of these factors would likely lead to PLEX prices dropping to some degree. We have all of them. At once.
/me checks calendar.
/me considers that Berikath could be in the Southern Hemisphere, then realizes that it is the end of Spring there. "Is it the end of November where you are?"
Given that your very first point is utter nonsense, I shan't bother to evaluate the remaining ones.
MDD
The vast majority of Eve players are in the northern hemisphere. As such the comment of "summer ending" is valid. That said I don;t agree with the summer logic since again the majority of the player base is old enough so they are NOT in school. They may farm out their kids to make ISK over the summer though....
PLEX will go down. Price was only up do to speculators, as usual. While I would be surprised if they drop below 300 million ISK (In Jita) they should fall close to that(for buy orders). I believe most of teh Jita market is made of speculators so they will not wish to dump stock anytime soon and lose ISK. We are more likely waiting for the PLEX overflow to catch back up and move the price down. Since there are more options for using PLEX it will take a bit longer. It will fall though.
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Brakur Ualkin
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Posted - 2010.11.24 22:08:00 -
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Another temporary factor affecting PLEX prices is the Commissioned Officer Edition (COE?) and its 30 day CD code.
At least in North America, it can make more sense to activate a buddy account with the CD code than to use a PLEX, which should reduce PLEX demand to a degree.
However some existing players who normally buy (with $) and sell (for isk) PLEX, may be buying the COE instead, reducing supply and increasing the number of alts they may keep subbed.
No idea which effect is bigger overall; but the $13.49 price tag plus the Cerebral Accelerator convinced me to open my wallet for EVE, which hasn't happened in a very long time.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2010.11.24 22:28:00 -
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I think the demand for plex is a lot higher than it has been in the past, tbh, so I wouldn't be expecting a crash any time soon. There has been a big climb in plex prices through the year, not all speculation driven. Don't forget there's a lot more isk in the game, more people with semi-passive incomes from PI, and with a lot of people short on RL cash "in this current economic climate" people may be more willing to work a bit more in EVE to get isk, to pay for their account, rather than use their limited real money.
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2010.11.24 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Berikath 4. Respected members of MD forum are pretty unanimously agreeing that price will drop.
Just LOL @ that. It's pretty irrelevant what "respected members" agree on when reality disagrees with them.
I still saved the link to the post that says PLEX will be 317 mil +/- 5 mil in February because that's their "true value". I can't wait to dig that up in February and show at the very least one "respected member" just how wrong he was and that his expert advice is basically the same as asking the clerk at the grocery store checkout isle what happens to PLEX prices, whether the clerk actually plays EVE or not doesn't matter.
"Respected members" have spent far too much time forum warrioring instead of actually playing the game to realize how far they are removed from the reality of what drives PLEX prices and just how much essentially useless ISK there's out there with nothing but PLEX to spend it on. |
Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.11.24 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 24/11/2010 23:01:23
Originally by: Ash Donai
Originally by: Berikath 4. Respected members of MD forum are pretty unanimously agreeing that price will drop.
Just LOL @ that. It's pretty irrelevant what "respected members" agree on when reality disagrees with them.
Originally by: Berikath Look up "self-fulfilling prophecy".
As long as not too many people think the way you do, it doesn't matter if "respected members" really know more about the fundamentals behind PLEX prices than your grocery store clerk. The only thing that matters is if people believe that enough other people believe that "respected members" might know what they're doing.
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Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2010.11.25 10:59:00 -
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The current big price driver is the 'get 5 days free' for an old inactive account. The "Offer expires November 21st, 2010", add 5 days to that and the current demand will top off by the 26th (tomorrow). Before that there was the 'Power of 2' for which you could pay with with PLEX. And the information on paying for character transfer an portrait swap with PLEX. So that explains the price rice from last month...
8th November - 26th November => 'get 5 days free' 5th November - 14th November => 'Power of 2' 6th November => 'character transfer an portrait swap'
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Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2010.11.25 19:18:00 -
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And now we have another thing that will drive up the PLEX price. Steam has a new account code for $5/Ç5, although it can't be used for adding time to an old account or with the buddy program (like last time), it'll attract new players. Players that have between 30-51 days to earn enough isk to buy a PLEX to extend their game time...
So add: 25th november til 25 december or 15 januari => 'Steam $5/Ç5 new account'
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Cash Equivalent
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Posted - 2010.11.25 19:23:00 -
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I'm half sure the "get 5 days free" deal required a CC to reactivate the account after the 5 days, plex weren't eligible. Could be wrong about that one.
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Cergorach
Amarr The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2010.11.25 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Cash Equivalent I'm half sure the "get 5 days free" deal required a CC to reactivate the account after the 5 days, plex weren't eligible. Could be wrong about that one.
You are wrong about that, I just activated three accounts that way, you did get the oppertunity to extend the 5 days with 60 days for only 19.95.
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Dariah Stardweller
Gallente NO U111 Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.11.26 17:01:00 -
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Trend remains upwards.
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Rasz Lin
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.11.26 17:28:00 -
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My tash murkon plexes started selling at 410mil yesterday :D
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Cash Equivalent
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Posted - 2010.11.26 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cergorach
Originally by: Cash Equivalent I'm half sure the "get 5 days free" deal required a CC to reactivate the account after the 5 days, plex weren't eligible. Could be wrong about that one.
You are wrong about that, I just activated three accounts that way, you did get the oppertunity to extend the 5 days with 60 days for only 19.95.
I guess what confused me was the terms:
"ETC and PLEX cannot be used with this offer."
(I just got an email saying this offer was extended to Friday, Dec 3)
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Ariel Dawn
F9X
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Posted - 2010.11.26 17:53:00 -
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PLEX prices will go even higher with Incarna customization/vanity being tied to it, as well as possible ship/corp logos, skins, etc. Bought ~700 PLEXes on a whim back when they were around 270m; considering that more ISK is put into EVE every day than taken out and a probably fairly large player reactivation/new player spike when Incarna rolls around, wouldn't be surprised if they hit 500m sometime next year during Incarna.
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Xemoxa
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Posted - 2010.11.26 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Dawn PLEX prices will go even higher with Incarna customization/vanity being tied to it, as well as possible ship/corp logos, skins, etc. Bought ~700 PLEXes on a whim back when they were around 270m; considering that more ISK is put into EVE every day than taken out and a probably fairly large player reactivation/new player spike when Incarna rolls around, wouldn't be surprised if they hit 500m sometime next year during Incarna.
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Rhedea
BlackWing Cartel
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Posted - 2010.11.27 09:22:00 -
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All of a sudden 5/6 of my plexs where bought at my really high price of 490M each this week. Damn I should rush back to jita and reset my price on my last plex to 550M before it sells.
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Ariel Dawn
F9X
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Posted - 2010.11.27 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Xemoxa
Originally by: Ariel Dawn PLEX prices will go even higher with Incarna customization/vanity being tied to it, as well as possible ship/corp logos, skins, etc. Bought ~700 PLEXes on a whim back when they were around 270m; considering that more ISK is put into EVE every day than taken out and a probably fairly large player reactivation/new player spike when Incarna rolls around, wouldn't be surprised if they hit 500m sometime next year during Incarna.
You bought 190Billion in Plex?
Why not? Was taking a break from EVE and do contract trading so had tons of liquid ISK sitting around doing nothing; PLEXes are pretty much guaranteed to appreciate over time as more players and ISK enter the game. Unless EVE goes free-to-play, there's pretty much no risk whatsoever dumping ISK into PLEX, the prices will go up eventually.
Remember, you used to be able to buy 90 day GTCs for under 300m a few years ago. Now you pay 380m+ for a 30 day, and soon they'll be able to let you customize ships/avatars? Stock up now, smoke a cigar while lounging around in the future.
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Caldariftw123
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Posted - 2010.11.27 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Dawn
Originally by: Xemoxa
Originally by: Ariel Dawn PLEX prices will go even higher with Incarna customization/vanity being tied to it, as well as possible ship/corp logos, skins, etc. Bought ~700 PLEXes on a whim back when they were around 270m; considering that more ISK is put into EVE every day than taken out and a probably fairly large player reactivation/new player spike when Incarna rolls around, wouldn't be surprised if they hit 500m sometime next year during Incarna.
You bought 190Billion in Plex?
Why not? Was taking a break from EVE and do contract trading so had tons of liquid ISK sitting around doing nothing; PLEXes are pretty much guaranteed to appreciate over time as more players and ISK enter the game. Unless EVE goes free-to-play, there's pretty much no risk whatsoever dumping ISK into PLEX, the prices will go up eventually.
Remember, you used to be able to buy 90 day GTCs for under 300m a few years ago. Now you pay 380m+ for a 30 day, and soon they'll be able to let you customize ships/avatars? Stock up now, smoke a cigar while lounging around in the future.
I note the "F9X" in your corp, and it makes me think of that guy who claimed he had trillions of isk. It makes me chuckle a little bit.
I don't doubt you, btw, it's not like 190billion isk is a ludicrous sum considering how long your char has been around for, but it still made me chuckle.
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2010.11.27 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Caldariftw123 I note the "F9X" in your corp, and it makes me think of that guy who claimed he had trillions of isk. It makes me chuckle a little bit.
Also, don't forget the one and only CNR BPO!
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Ave Volta
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
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Posted - 2010.11.27 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ash Donai
Originally by: Caldariftw123 I note the "F9X" in your corp, and it makes me think of that guy who claimed he had trillions of isk. It makes me chuckle a little bit.
Also, don't forget the one and only CNR BPO!
^ This. And anyone who spends 190B on a "whim" is either lying or stupid imo...
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Ariel Dawn
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Posted - 2010.11.27 20:45:00 -
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By whim I meant instead of just taking a break from EVE without doing anything I threw my ISK into PLEXes instead, gambled would have been a better word.
I'm not F90, just an old friend, forgot I had the show corp thing toggled.
Still, GTC and then PLEX prices have been going up at quite a significant rate since the start of EVE and considering CCP is in a good position, even if the market for some reason crashed right now in the short term, with the way EVE is setup and upcoming features/player base increase, I'd say it's a very solid bet to make a whole bunch of ISK if you don't want to do anything past buying up some stock and just selling it down the road.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.11.27 22:16:00 -
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Unless the popularity of Eve goes down. Then CCP will still have banked all the cash in advance.
Admittedly I am subbed through 2016 (I cashed the PLEX'es for time), as I had nothing to do with the cash and it allows me to come and go from the game as I please.
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Drake Vos
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.11.30 10:26:00 -
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So, masters of the market,
I'm considering getting a pair of PLEX for my (fairly) new account (40 Euros atm), liquidating one for funds and using the other for gametime (or maybe liquidate both )
Since the price is on a significant rise at the moment, and I would get quite a lot of ISK for this, would you consider this worthwhile, or am I better saving my IRL money?
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