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Sean Faust
Gallente Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2010.10.27 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Sean Faust on 27/10/2010 13:49:17 One of the hardest things about 0.0 PVP in this game is dealing with certain types of people who have absolutely no understanding of concepts such as tactics, game mechanics, and ships & their roles. I've identified certain "types" of these players as well as archetype roles people assume in nullsec corps and want to know which one gets on your nerves the most. Feel free to add to this list.
-The "Bigger is Better" Pilot His prior PVP experience, if he has any at all, consists entirely of lowsec gatecamping and empire wardec griefing and bringing him into your corp means trying to break him of the "bad habits" he learned there. You know him as that one guy who insists on trying to bring a battleship or battlecruiser along on every roam because no matter how many times you try to explain to him that nullsec skirmish combat favors smaller, faster ships, it goes in one ear and out the other. "We're going on a HAC roam." "BUT I LIKES MAH TORP RAVEN. IT HAS UBER DPS." Trying to explain to him that being in 0.0 means spending more time in smaller T2/faction ships than larger ships is like trying to have a religous debate. Usually he came over to EVE from WOW and relates flying a bigger class of ships to being in a higher level bracket in WOW.
-The Non-Inty Tackler He wants to be the primary tackle of a gang. The problem is he absolutely refuses to fly tackle Interceptors. Instead, he chooses to fly Dramiels, AFs, and Crows/Crusaders because he does not understand how the increased point range, reduced sig radius, faster lock times, and faster warp speed can make or break a tackler. As such, he goes through ships quite often and has lots of missed tackles.
-The Wannabe Carrier Pilot He's training specifically for a carrier and wants to become a dedicated carrier pilot because he doesn't understand just how limited their functionality is in combat. He views them as solo pwnmobiles and entertains fantasies he had from back in his WOW days about being a raid boss who it takes an entire fleet of other players to take down.
-The "I Refuse to Fly Tech 2" Guy He's cheap. He doesn't like the idea of flying ships that have little to no insurance payouts and refuses to train for them. Tell him to undock in anything faction or T2 and you get an earful of his sob story about how he doesn't have enough time to earn the isk to fly these ships, or you get *****ed at because he just doesn't want to spend the isk.
-The Uber Ebayer Every corp has one. He's that guy who bought his account. He has more SP than the rest of your corp combined but because he's a noob with an endless wallet, all he ever does is lose extremely expensive ships fitted in such ways as to make you cringe when you see the loss mail. Often times he's carrying expensive irreplaceable items in his cargo bay as well. The only reason you keep him around after he's proven he's incapable of learning how to play is because of the comic relief he brings.
-The Whiner He emorages because of every ship he loses because he just can't accept the fact that undocking is a risk. He blames all his losses on the FC or on game mechanics and even when he was one of the only two guys on your side to go down after you've wiped out the entire enemy gang, he still won't quit whining about how he is "always primary." And it's your fault as FC. He petitions every other loss and whines even more because CCP's logs show nothing.
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Sean Faust
Gallente Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2010.10.27 13:32:00 -
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-The T2 Frigate Enigma He never participates in corp activities, he's never on voice comms, he's always at the other end of the galaxy from where the corp is basing out of, and you're not even sure he is even a "he" or speaks your language. You know absolutely nothing about him because he's a loner. You want him to participate in corp activities but can't get a hold of him. But because of the way he's always littering your killboard with solo kills he got in his Wolf/Jag/Dramiel/Daredevil/Taranis/Crusader/Claw/Ishkur, while hardly ever dying, you don't want to kick him because he's just TOO good for your corp efficiency. The only bad thing about him is the distraction he proves to become to other corp members who want to try to find out more about him and maybe learn from his tactics.
-The Whining Tactician (this one is me, lol) He spends way too much time fitting up ships in EFT and is always coming up with new strategies and tactics that involve groups of people flying in expensive ships. He often goes through long periods where he distances himself from corp activities because he's always complaining about the overabundance of the other types of players mentioned in this thread and because nobody insists on trying out his hairbrained schemes in the field even though you keep getting your ass handed to you when you try everything else. He's constantly reading dev blogs and forums so that he can predict how gameplay changes will affect PVP, all in an effort to be the first person out and about in the new FOTM ship/setup.
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Sebastiann Kane
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Posted - 2010.10.27 13:44:00 -
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-I equals everyone. He cannot understand if other people need some training in a particular area. If you tell him that people need training he tells you that he can do it and then tells you how much he can tank/gank etc. Normally a CEO, director or someone in charge
-The boaster. almost the same as the "I equals everyone". constantly tells everyone that he can tank the rest of EVE put together. but will die as quickly as everyone else or do as much damage as everyone else and then finds some reason for it. Annoying as hell as is always on vent telling anyone in earshot
-My words are important Speaks over coms regardless of whether its war or not normally during other peoples conversations about pointless things. Can be "the boaster" or the "i equals everyone"
-My word is the word of God Alliance CEO will not take advice from other CEOs or people with knowledge. even when alliance is being slaughtered or can effect a major change for improvement
-The Idiot Dies constantly and seems to only have failfit ships. Will try to solo attack a huge warfleet and then claim that its good learning for him. You only take him on missions as someone else who can be primaried
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.27 13:51:00 -
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Personally?
- The "Smaller is Better" pilot. No matter what the purpose of the outing, he will show up in something smaller and more specialised than what might be appropriate, and which might not even be specialised in a way that is beneficial for the fleet.
(Although I occasionally veered into "Refuse T2" territory because it was so plainly obvious that the small ships I wanted to fly would get nuked under the circumstances, so I might as well get nuked in something small and cheap.) ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
OmniBeton
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Posted - 2010.10.27 13:54:00 -
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Im "I Refuse to Fly Tech 2" because earnig Isk is just tooo boooring :) With a little of "Bigger is Better" because I love my Drake and I refuse to aknowledge it acts poorly in AF gang :D
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.10.27 13:55:00 -
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-I am the never go to Null Sec type.
I enjoy solo lo-sec exploration and a bit of solo piracy and am more just another face in corp chat. I show up for wormhole ops but avoid null like the plauge.
At least I make good conversation
-- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Blnukem 192
Amarr Creed.
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Posted - 2010.10.27 14:23:00 -
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Null fails too hard for me to ever consider going there. So screw null.
Low sec is where it's at.
Originally by: CCP Navigator This is really not worthy of a thread.
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Tyber Zaan
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Posted - 2010.10.27 14:26:00 -
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More Examples:
The macro ratter- Never on comms, never attends fleet ops, never even responds to chat. You aren't even sure how he got accepted in the first place. He is online nearly 24 hours a day, in the same system, perpetually running anoms, in the same ship. The alliance refuses to kick him because he is a good source of income.
The jerk FC- This is the guy your alliance despises. He has no social skills whatsoever, and is constantly yelling at people over comms during ops. God forbid you loose a ship, because the sheer amount of rage will leave you deaf for days. Everyone wants him gone, but there is one problem. He is damn good at what he does. Every op he FCs seems to turn out positivley.
The 0.0 newbie- This guy is fresh out of L4s looking for excitement. He tends to be extremley chatty and gets overexcited about things no one cares about anymore. His constant spamming of "HOLY CRAP LOOK AT ALL THE ARKANOR!!11111!1" and "OMFG FACTION SPAWN OMG!!1!" get on the alliance's nerves. He makes huge mistakes, such as ignoring a hold on gate order and jumping into an enemy gate camp. He shows some promise in pvp, but he tends to be irritating.
The fail spy- This guy is a spy for an enemy alliance, and he does a damn poor job of disguising it. He is constantly asking for access to corp assets, wallet, etc. Sometimes he may even all too often speak highly of his originating alliance. He is kept for the sheer lolfactor.
more to come as i think of them.
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Alara IonStorm
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.10.27 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tyber Zaan The fail spy- This guy is a spy for an enemy alliance, and he does a damn poor job of disguising it. He is constantly asking for access to corp assets, wallet, etc. Sometimes he may even all too often speak highly of his originating alliance. He is kept for the sheer lolfactor.
I do this at time.
I post in Russian in corp and Alliance(google translate), type things like long live Solar in corp and refer to myself as my spy alt.
If I was a spy I would have the perfect cover.
-- I am now on a Crusade to Fix the Omen!
For Great Justice!
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.10.27 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Blnukem 192 I fail to hard in null for me to ever consider going there. So screw null.
Low sec is where it's at.
Fixed
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Seren Padac
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Posted - 2010.10.27 14:47:00 -
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I use to be a really bad 'The "I Refuse to Fly Tech 2" Guy' because isk was tight and I felt t1 stuff was only slightly worse and the extra isk wasn't worth the resistance bonus's.
Now I'm the 't1 suicidal guy' I still avoid t2 because I like isk efficiency so much that I'd rather order my fleet of t1 cruisers to slam into a camp and just try to pull some kills before everyone dies. Normally only happens when 1 kill would mean more isk destroyed than the cost of all the ships in the gang.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2010.10.27 15:25:00 -
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I'm the "why did I waste my time reading this thread" pilot.
Syn Callibri Commander - Fleet Ops [21EL] Keeper of the Blood Pact
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Douchie McNitpick
Money Liberation Services Corp
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Posted - 2010.10.27 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sean Faust
-The Non-Inty Tackler He wants to be the primary tackle of a gang. The problem is he absolutely refuses to fly tackle Interceptors. Instead, he chooses to fly Dramiels, AFs, and Crows/Crusaders because he does not understand how the increased point range, reduced sig radius, faster lock times, and faster warp speed can make or break a tackler. As such, he goes through ships quite often and has lots of missed tackles.
You don't actually know how 0.0 works, do you? Also, the tacklemaller / tacklestabber / hictor / dictor pilots would like to have a word with you.
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.27 15:31:00 -
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Never stop loving tacklemallers and t1 fit rifters.
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Sean Faust
Gallente Point of No Return Waterboard
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Posted - 2010.10.27 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Douchie McNitpick
Originally by: Sean Faust
-The Non-Inty Tackler He wants to be the primary tackle of a gang. The problem is he absolutely refuses to fly tackle Interceptors. Instead, he chooses to fly Dramiels, AFs, and Crows/Crusaders because he does not understand how the increased point range, reduced sig radius, faster lock times, and faster warp speed can make or break a tackler. As such, he goes through ships quite often and has lots of missed tackles.
You don't actually know how 0.0 works, do you? Also, the tacklemaller / tacklestabber / hictor / dictor pilots would like to have a word with you.
I've been playing almost exclusively in 0.0 for over two years now and I understand it just fine. Dictors and Hictors certainly have their place, but as far as the tacklemaller and tacklestabber go, most everything I've seen flown out in 0.0 aside from members of other hostile gangs could easily elude them. Try chasing someone who's trying to run from jump to jump, system to system in one. Won't catch them unless they're in a pitifully slow ship. 13.5 AU warp speed serves a purpose, as does over 2k scan res and a nearly 40km point range. Don't try to tell me a tacklemaller or tacklestabber can do any of those things or fill the role that those abilities are integral to. Or do you not understand exactly what a tackler does?
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Buck Marui
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.27 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Syn Callibri I'm the "why did I waste my time reading this thread" pilot
The "Why did I waste my time reading this thread" Pilot: Typically a forum alt who spends too much time doing something they apparently dislike but does not see the blatant irony of telling everyone "I just wasted my time" thus wasting more of there time and that of others, often attention seeking. The kind of person that makes forum viewers look at avatars and names before the content of the post and skip the irrelevant ones, typically has an avatar you just want to slap.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar 21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2010.10.27 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Buck Marui
Originally by: Syn Callibri I'm the "why did I waste my time reading this thread" pilot
The "Why did I waste my time reading this thread" Pilot: Typically a forum alt who spends too much time doing something they apparently dislike but does not see the blatant irony of telling everyone "I just wasted my time" thus wasting more of there time and that of others, often attention seeking. The kind of person that makes forum viewers look at avatars and names before the content of the post and skip the irrelevant ones, typically has an avatar you just want to slap.
Hi
Actually...this is my main and I like to share the pain and the irony.
Troll on Buck...troll on.
Syn Callibri Commander - Fleet Ops [21EL] Keeper of the Blood Pact
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.10.27 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sean Faust
Originally by: Douchie McNitpick
Originally by: Sean Faust
-The Non-Inty Tackler He wants to be the primary tackle of a gang. The problem is he absolutely refuses to fly tackle Interceptors. Instead, he chooses to fly Dramiels, AFs, and Crows/Crusaders because he does not understand how the increased point range, reduced sig radius, faster lock times, and faster warp speed can make or break a tackler. As such, he goes through ships quite often and has lots of missed tackles.
You don't actually know how 0.0 works, do you? Also, the tacklemaller / tacklestabber / hictor / dictor pilots would like to have a word with you.
I've been playing almost exclusively in 0.0 for over two years now and I understand it just fine. Dictors and Hictors certainly have their place, but as far as the tacklemaller and tacklestabber go, most everything I've seen flown out in 0.0 aside from members of other hostile gangs could easily elude them. Try chasing someone who's trying to run from jump to jump, system to system in one. Won't catch them unless they're in a pitifully slow ship. 13.5 AU warp speed serves a purpose, as does over 2k scan res and a nearly 40km point range. Don't try to tell me a tacklemaller or tacklestabber can do any of those things or fill the role that those abilities are integral to. Or do you not understand exactly what a tackler does?
The nano BC gang would like a word with you as well.
You also forgot nano*** as a pilot class. I like me
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Douglass Bryant
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Posted - 2010.10.27 16:34:00 -
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-The "My Fit Is Better Than Everyone's" Pilot
The quantity of his fitting links is only bested by the annoying nasal quality of his voice and over-loud mic on comms. He enjoys fitting with such tactical specificity that it negates any positive qualities of the ship; but more than that, no matter what fit you may post, he instantly chimes in with a "better" (and more ludicrous) one. Whatever he's flying now is the best fit and best ship in all of Evedom. Even if you agree with him, he'll somehow flip the conversation so that he can flaunt his purported excessive plumage of fitting IQ at 90dB into your eardrum.
-The AFK Carrier Ratter
No matter when you're on, one out of two Sanctums (always the better one) is constantly staffed by his ISK printing e-peen. Fighters (not known for their quick target selection) sit idle for minutes while he's busy watching a non-stop marathon of Fringe episodes that's filled his DVR, but he doesn't care, because as long as they eventually kill something, he's making ISK watching television. He never responds to mails, chats, comms, letters, singing telegrams, or ESP. Requires bailing out by corp and alliance mates from red gangs on a bi-weekly basis.
-The Drunken Boxer
Every night he snuggles up with a warm monitor and a warmer MGD. When you first log, he greets you with alert discourse, but as the night goes on, his ramblings and decision making skills go in the one direction he claims his girlfriend is going: down. In a unique paradox, he claims he makes a fantastic FC (we don't believe him), but those brave enough to fly with his unorthodox and fukung.net filled fleet direction find him to be exceptional.
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NatteFrost85
Amarr PARA company
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Posted - 2010.10.27 16:52:00 -
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well, i never go below .5 but if i would i`d prolly be:
-The "I Refuse to Fly Tech 2" Guy He's cheap. He doesn't like the idea of flying ships that have little to no insurance payouts and refuses to train for them. Tell him to undock in anything faction or T2 and you get an earful of his sob story about how he doesn't have enough time to earn the isk to fly these ships, or you get *****ed at because he just doesn't want to spend the isk.
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.10.27 17:41:00 -
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I am the "Totally ****ing awesome cooldude".
Suck me.
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.10.27 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 27/10/2010 19:26:34 Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 27/10/2010 19:21:13 I might add one more:
- Bigger b**** then brains
He's a total newb that got into the game a couple of months ago. Being a new player that is training level 1 to level 3 skills very fast, he have the impression of a radical change of his ships's performance compared to the last week. No matter how many times you tell him not to tackle a Vagabong in his t1 frig (for example), he won't listen to you. His replies include "Let me at him!!!", "We'll see who's gonna laugh after the fight!!!" and "My frig goes 2,500 m/s, he can't catch me in a cruiser".
edit: for me the most irritating one must be:
Quote: The 0.0 newbie- This guy is fresh out of L4s looking for excitement. He tends to be extremley chatty and gets overexcited about things no one cares about anymore. His constant spamming of "HOLY CRAP LOOK AT ALL THE ARKANOR!!11111!1" and "OMFG FACTION SPAWN OMG!!1!" get on the alliance's nerves. He makes huge mistakes, such as ignoring a hold on gate order and jumping into an enemy gate camp. He shows some promise in pvp, but he tends to be irritating.
edit #2: I might be something like
Quote: -The "I Refuse to Fly Tech 2" Guy He's cheap. He doesn't like the idea of flying ships that have little to no insurance payouts and refuses to train for them. Tell him to undock in anything faction or T2 and you get an earful of his sob story about how he doesn't have enough time to earn the isk to fly these ships, or you get *****ed at because he just doesn't want to spend the isk.
but that's not because I don't want to spend ISK on t2 ships, it's because I don't want to spend isk on crappy Caldari t2 ships which I can fly (except for the Falcon... i like flying Falcons)
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Ultrablack
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Posted - 2010.10.27 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tyber Zaan The 0.0 newbie- This guy is fresh out of L4s looking for excitement. He tends to be extremley chatty and gets overexcited about things no one cares about anymore. His constant spamming of "HOLY CRAP LOOK AT ALL THE ARKANOR!!11111!1" and "OMFG FACTION SPAWN OMG!!1!" get on the alliance's nerves. He makes huge mistakes, such as ignoring a hold on gate order and jumping into an enemy gate camp. He shows some promise in pvp, but he tends to be irritating.
I can't wait til this is me (currently doing L2 missions)
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Rakrist
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.27 20:09:00 -
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I want to be this...
Originally by: Sean Faust -The T2 Frigate Enigma
But I wind up being this
Originally by: Sean Faust -The Whining Tactician
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.10.27 20:40:00 -
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I'm the "Nulsec, isn't that the empty space you end up if you go through wormholes sometimes?" kind of player.
Just left 0-sec through a direct hole, actually. 1+ hour of ratting in 9-980U and not a soul in system. Also it was very boring. I really feel bad for all the people who rely on that for making isk V_V Recruiting! |
Cat bottoms
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Posted - 2010.10.27 21:50:00 -
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The unaccountable CEO. He wardecs other corps with no thought of their ability. Is convinced he is an amazing FC although most peeps cannot even understand what he says.
He is impatient and his only tactic is frontal assault. He drives out his corp members through incompetence and when they form new corp he wardecs them in spiteful fury after forming yet another corp. Utterly convinced of his ability he convinces his new corp how awful their foes are then leads them into one defeat after another. Finally failing utterly he call on bigger boys to help him.
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Kirzath
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2010.10.27 22:14:00 -
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The T2 Frigate Enigma.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.27 22:42:00 -
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The Jacktard Micromanager Min Maxer FC:
He insists on dictating ship type and fit to everyone. You know, the ones who just a year or two ago were booting Drake pilots right and left. When he's feeling generous he only mentions 1o times what ammo to load and when.
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Leksi Bar'zuk
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Posted - 2010.10.27 22:55:00 -
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Edited by: Leksi Bar''zuk on 27/10/2010 22:58:31 Do suicide dictors count as non-inty tackle?
TBH i've probably been all of these (aside from the ebay) at some point or another, as i'm sure most pilots have been.
I'd feel best described as "overzealous suicide bubble monkey who angers the FC on a regular basis."
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Angus MacDoom
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Posted - 2010.10.27 23:27:00 -
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Haven't been there yet, but I'd probably be this guy Quote:
- Bigger b**** then brains
He's a total newb that got into the game a couple of months ago. Being a new player that is training level 1 to level 3 skills very fast, he have the impression of a radical change of his ships's performance compared to the last week. No matter how many times you tell him not to tackle a Vagabong in his t1 frig (for example), he won't listen to you. His replies include "Let me at him!!!", "We'll see who's gonna laugh after the fight!!!" and "My frig goes 2,500 m/s, he can't catch me in a cruiser".
Until I realized that I am actually this guy
Quote:
-The Idiot Dies constantly and seems to only have failfit ships. Will try to solo attack a huge warfleet and then claim that its good learning for him. You only take him on missions as someone else who can be primaried
getting yelled at by this guy
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The jerk FC- This is the guy your alliance despises. He has no social skills whatsoever, and is constantly yelling at people over comms during ops. God forbid you loose a ship, because the sheer amount of rage will leave you deaf for days. Everyone wants him gone, but there is one problem. He is damn good at what he does. Every op he FCs seems to turn out positivley.
until I could figure out how this guy does it
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-The T2 Frigate Enigma He never participates in corp activities, he's never on voice comms, he's always at the other end of the galaxy from where the corp is basing out of, and you're not even sure he is even a "he" or speaks your language. You know absolutely nothing about him because he's a loner. You want him to participate in corp activities but can't get a hold of him. But because of the way he's always littering your killboard with solo kills he got in his Wolf/Jag/Dramiel/Daredevil/Taranis/Crusader/Claw/Ishkur, while hardly ever dying, you don't want to kick him because he's just TOO good for your corp efficiency. The only bad thing about him is the distraction he proves to become to other corp members who want to try to find out more about him and maybe learn from his tactics.
and apply it to my style while hoping to one day be of some real help to the corp.
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