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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.10.27 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: WMunny Is 172BN not a lot of ISK?
Depends what you do with it and what you compare it against.
It can keep one person in bling for a time, or just plain old well-equipped for a (much) longer while.
If you actually want to make a difference in the world, thoughà no. Once you start building (and maintaining) corps and larger-scale assets, it will dwindle fairly quickly. Since I don't fly them, I won't claim that it's entirely accurate, but as an example, I'd say you can buy maybe half a cap-fleet with that kind of moneyà and that can easily be lost in a single battle.
Hell, some of the more ganks recently involved ships that cost 20-30 billion to fit (but on the other hand, those ships did raise eyebrows), so even for a single person, it can last a surprisingly short amount of time (and again, if you're a n00b, chances of this happening is far largerà so as you've seen, some people even encourage this kind of ISK purchases).
So on an individual scale, it's a very nice chunk of change; on the larger scale of the EVE economy, it's not even a blip. It doesn't belittle the efforts of others because, again, that's a very pricey infusion of 190G ISKà but it is completely dwarfed by the 1000G ISK that happens daily by all those others, and which needs to happen daily to keep the economy going. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2010.10.27 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/10/2010 14:27:44
Originally by: Blnukem 192 Better yet, why would you want that much isk? EVE would be pretty boring if you had that much.
Not so sure about that. At least you can test and train ships without having to bother about making ISk to replace them. (For most people) making ISK to afford anything better than a (bigger than frigate sized) t1 ship with t2 modules is a huge and not always very entertaining time sink.
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Monistat Seven
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.10.27 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: WMunny
What would you do with 172BN?
I'd donate it to the next charitable cause, maybe the cause for killing yeast infections. (see what I did there)
Or I would buy microtransactions for skill points... (and I see what you are doing here!)
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2010.10.27 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Blnukem 192 Better yet, why would you want that much isk? EVE would be pretty boring if you had that much.
This is profoundly true.
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heheheh
Phoenix Club
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Posted - 2010.10.27 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: heheheh on 27/10/2010 14:46:27
Originally by: WMunny Let's not get bogged down in detail. The point is that a sizeable real-life cash injection would make a character very wealthy.
And the Point many other people have made is that no matter how much ISK you have, you may still be rubbish at the game. No amount of ISK can teach you how to play the game, alot of people having loads of ISK does nothing to the gameplay apart from adding to it by giving people that know how to play free stuff, via easy kills that could easily have been avoided.
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Judas Scammer
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Posted - 2010.10.27 14:47:00 -
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Rabid fanbois?
I don't really see any whining in OP's post or anything to rage about???
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.10.27 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 27/10/2010 14:52:12
Originally by: Judas Scammer Rabid fanbois?
I don't really see any whining in OP's post or anything to rage about???
Sooo what would one do to be conosidored a fanbois by yourself ? People are just defending the gameplay in this thread and trying to tell the OP that large amounts of purchased ISK means nothing. Try comprehend a bit more before you post your drivel, you should stick to the wow forums.
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2010.10.27 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/10/2010 14:56:26
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Blnukem 192 Better yet, why would you want that much isk? EVE would be pretty boring if you had that much.
This is profoundly true.
I'd gladly take up that challenge.
Originally by: Brian Ballsack People are just defending the gameplay in this thread and trying to tell the OP that large amounts of purchased ISK means nothing.
ISK does mean something. As does SP.
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Judas Scammer
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Posted - 2010.10.27 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Brian Ballsack Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 27/10/2010 14:52:12
Originally by: Judas Scammer Rabid fanbois?
I don't really see any whining in OP's post or anything to rage about???
Sooo what would one do to be conosidored a fanbois by yourself ? People are just defending the gameplay in this thread and trying to tell the OP that large amounts of purchased ISK means nothing. Try comprehend a bit more before you post your drivel, you should stick to the wow forums.
Yes but the OP didn't even whine/complain/attack the gameplay at all! So there is nothing to defend!?
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Brian Ballsack
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Posted - 2010.10.27 15:01:00 -
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Aye the OP was ok but its the following posts i think that did it where he says he can just buy loads of ISK and undermine what everyone has been doing, and when he mentions that everythings worthless because he can buy ISK, which is totally the wrong assumption to make.
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Xanaan Zenithdul
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Posted - 2010.10.27 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: WMunny
Put it like this. What is to stop me buying PLEX now and converting to 20BN ISK now?
Because you are broke ass kiddo whining in eve's general forum about plex price, I highly doubt that if you dont afford on putting 15$ monthly on game subscription, you seriously, will not have the cash for getting plex's worth of 20 bil.
Farm more kid and stfu.
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WMunny
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Posted - 2010.10.27 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Xanaan Zenithdul Because you are broke ass kiddo whining in eve's general forum about plex price, I highly doubt that if you dont afford on putting 15$ monthly on game subscription, you seriously, will not have the cash for getting plex's worth of 20 bil.
Farm more kid and stfu.
Eh? How do you know my financial status in RL?
Maye I've been focusing on the wrong things in the last two weeks. Initially I ran all the tutorials, then completed the Sisters of Eve Arc. That left with with about 18M ISK. I used some of that to by training, etc, and dropped down to 3M. So I started trading and after a few days now have 15M ISK. But it's deadly boring, especially knowing that within 5 mins I could just buy 2BN ISK (or as much as needed).
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Mike TheMiner
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Posted - 2010.10.27 15:30:00 -
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Well if you think its going to be easier then buy some ISK, alot of people do as they dont like doing the things that they need to make it or they dont have the time. I personally wouldnt play if there were so many parts of the game that i hated. Bare in mind the more you buy, the more you will lose :P
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Carver DiGriz
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2010.10.27 15:30:00 -
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Hmm. Get all the isk you like. At two weeks, a pilot with too much isk is just a jackpot to the players who've played longer (and often, just a little longer) and learned how to operate. What I find the funniest is that this is on the third page, and this has passed without comment Originally by: WMunny I've come to the conclusion that New Eden is akin to Zimbabwe with lawlessness and disorder
For someone who takes his name from the same fictional character who says "That's right. I've killed women and children. I've killed just about everything that walks or crawled at one time or another," I'd like to see a bit more appreciation for lawlessness.
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Shaalira D'arc
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Posted - 2010.10.27 15:32:00 -
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ISK is means to an end. Having lots of ISK makes your goals easier, but it doesn't necessarily get you there.
Say you're a 1 day old newbie with 182 bn isk. Aside from the fat wallet, you have only the skills and knowledge of a 1-day old newbie. Let's juggle out some hypothetical goals.
1) Be Good at PvP
ISK will help you replace the ships you will inevitably lose. That's it. Experience and player skill are essential to PvP in EVE. New players who buy expensive ships through PLEX sales are valued as trophy prey, as they do not know how to fit or fly their ships properly. In the end, you will run into the same bottlenecks as other new players diving into the wide world of PvP - skill training time and combat experience.
What you can do is buy a combat-capable character through the Character Bazaar (see a few forums down), but you will still run into the problems of experience and judgment. First, you'd have to know what skills matter the most in PvP, and you may end up buying a badly-skilled character. Second, even if you had a great character and a great ship, there are a host of player (not character) skills to develop if you want to be good. Check out some of the PvP vids in the My EVE forum if you want to see how much the pilot matters in combat.
2) Build a Business Empire
If you want to be a CEO, you'll need knowledge of the market to find your own niche. You'll also need knowledge of common player activities to create a corporation that would appeal to new members while sustaining a community. You should also be starting off with some contacts in order to be the core of your new corporation.
It is possible to build a corporation from scratch, but there'll be a lot of non-monetary obstacles to getting it off the ground. First off, as CEO, you will need a bunch of corporate management skills in order to establish and manage your corporation. You can use your ISK to avail of corporation and alliance creation services out there, but you'll have to be careful in your research to make sure you don't get scammed.
Additionally, recruiting will have to be done carefully. Once you start advertising, it's pretty easy to see that the fledgling CEO is a newbie with lots of money. Expect lots of corporate infiltration and theft attempts, in addition to war declarations and racketeering.
In short, trying to build a business empire as a newbie with lots of money invites scams and robbery.
3) Take Territory
To take and hold nullsec territories, you will need a military force. Your ISK can buy you mercenaries for a short period of time, but trustworthy mercenaries are expensive and you'll find your $182 bn running out fast. Building up your own military force out of skilled PvP pilots will be slow-going. Many PvP pilots up for recruitment are searching for a well-established outfit with reputable FCs (fleet commanders) or clear benefits such as ship compensation. If you're a newbie yourself, you'll lack any kind of gravitas for attracting good pilots.
Fighting on your own with your alts is not an option. Any half-baked nullsec organization will kick you out and take your hard work in a heartbeat.
Even if you take and hold some remote corner of nullsec, you'll need an active population to make it profitable. See #2 for the perils of making your own business venture. There are renter groups out there, but taking in renters has its own dangers.
4) Make ISK
Well, you're there already. Kind of. You're rich, but not the richest, or maybe not even in the top tiers. There are trillionaires in EVE who have the contacts, friends, and reputation (or infamy) to make the most use of their fat wallets. You'll be an unknown in a community of sharks.
You can try to become the richest through pure PLEX sales but it's really an empty goal. All you'll end up doing is fattening CCP's wallet with tens of thousands of dollars while pushing down PLEX price
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WMunny
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Posted - 2010.10.27 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Carver DiGriz At two weeks, a pilot with too much isk is just a jackpot to the players who've played longer (and often, just a little longer) and learned how to operate.
Sorry - I don't understand. If I lose my ship do I also lose my bank?
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market checks
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Posted - 2010.10.27 15:48:00 -
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Not right away, but you will lose a lot of overpriced ships to ships that you should have beaten. It tends to add up rather quickly. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=11430878 is an good example of a fight won because of pilot skill rather than character skill or isk.
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2010.10.27 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/10/2010 16:06:17
Originally by: market checks Not right away, but you will lose a lot of overpriced ships to ships that you should have beaten. It tends to add up rather quickly. http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=11430878 is an good example of a fight won because of pilot skill rather than character skill or isk.
Verry funny - but after 2 weeks of playing you can't even fly expensive ships.
As I said before, skilltraining speed is the true bottleneck in this game, not ISK, not player skill nor knowledge of the game.
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Shaalira D'arc
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Posted - 2010.10.27 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling As I said before, skilltraining speed is the true bottleneck in this game, not ISK, not player skill nor knowledge of the game.
Not completely true. There's a character bazaar.
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market checks
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Posted - 2010.10.27 16:11:00 -
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True, skill points do limit you, but I didn't want to use the reaper kills rifter example because when you have a billion plus isk you'd have to faction fit your rifters for it to make a difference. Aslo training to a bc really doesn't take that long. |
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2010.10.27 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/10/2010 16:29:16
Originally by: market checks True, skill points do limit you, but I didn't want to use the reaper kills rifter example because when you have a billion plus isk you'd have to faction fit your rifters for it to make a difference. Aslo training to a bc really doesn't take that long.
That's true of course, you can fit your rookie ship with Estamel's Modified .. and Gistii X-types.
But I guess you do get the picture, as a rookie you won't be able to do a lot for a while, even with a lot of cash.
Originally by: Shaalira D'arc
Originally by: Jennifer Starling As I said before, skilltraining speed is the true bottleneck in this game, not ISK, not player skill nor knowledge of the game.
Not completely true. There's a character bazaar.
That's correct. I would recommend everyone with a lot of RL cash to get one (even if I don't like the idea) because imo playing EVE from zero is kind of (very) tedious. If you can find one with a decent name, they're quite rare.
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Lubomir Penev
Sausages of Truth
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Posted - 2010.10.27 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Originally by: WMunny I'm sure CCP take the economy of New Eden seriously.
They hired a man with a PHD in Economics Dr. Eyj=lfur Gu=mundsson to run it, so yes, yes the do.
Anyone caring about economics would not hire an Icelandic economist, in those days and time it would be like hiring an orthodox communist economist in 1992... As a PR piece it kinda worked still...
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Thrasymachus TheSophist
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Posted - 2010.10.27 17:02:00 -
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OP's error is in thinking that whoever has the most wealth in Eve wins, and then the next richest, then the next, etc.
People don't care if you get rich or buy a ton of ISK because it doesn't matter to them. They too could buy ISK if they wanted. They choose to earn it in game because they prefer to earn it then buy it.
If you don't like the slog - go for it and buy 10 GTCs. Its not like other games where buying in-game money is considered dirty or cheating or cause for alarm.
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Mike TheMiner
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Posted - 2010.10.27 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling . I would recommend everyone with a lot of RL cash to get one (even if I don't like the idea) because imo playing EVE from zero is kind of (very) tedious. If you can find one with a decent name, they're quite rare.
I would advise the opposite, the journey there is as enjoyable as the destionation to me, each to his own, none of it was tedious.
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2010.10.27 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 27/10/2010 17:23:31
Originally by: Mike TheMiner
Originally by: Jennifer Starling . I would recommend everyone with a lot of RL cash to get one (even if I don't like the idea) because imo playing EVE from zero is kind of (very) tedious. If you can find one with a decent name, they're quite rare.
I would advise the opposite, the journey there is as enjoyable as the destionation to me, each to his own, none of it was tedious.
I guess it depends on what you want, I want to fly a lot of sub capital ships and t2 and t3 stuff and it takes a bit verrrry long.
I already made the money (and no, I never bought a plex) to buy all the ships I want, in fact I already bought them plus faction and deadspace modules, I have 8+ standings with a handful of corps and now I'm already waiting a few months to be able to fly more ships than I can now (t2 fit BC) and it will take several more months until I'm finally able to do so - and fit them with t2 modules, of course. I want to do it with some thoroughness and that really takes AGES. Not speaking of those idiotic learning skills that add another 2 months to the queue. Tbh I'm really quite bored now.
With hindsight I may as well have bought plexes and got myself a decent character, I would have been able to do a lot more now.
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WMunny
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Posted - 2010.10.27 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: WMunny on 27/10/2010 17:23:11 After considerable thought I've come to the conclusion that I don't want to waste my time building an imaginary bank by minding/trading/other. Life is too short. I do that in real life.
2BN ISK on its way.
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Jennifer Starling
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Posted - 2010.10.27 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: WMunny After considerable thought I've come to the conclusion that I don't want to waste my time building an imaginary bank by minding/trading/other. Life is too short. I do that in real life.
2BN ISK on its way.
Good luck skilling up!
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WMunny
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Posted - 2010.10.27 17:38:00 -
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Yes, that also is a concern. But I'm willing to wait whilst learning the game. But no more piddly 500K trade trips!
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WMunny
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Posted - 2010.10.27 18:07:00 -
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I take it the first things I should buy would be implants to boost training times?
Is it simply a case of choosing the most expensive ones?
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2010.10.27 18:12:00 -
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For the low low price of 200m isk I can provide you with all the information you will need regarding implant, skill and ship purchases as well as training plans and guides.
Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
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