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Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.10.16 20:31:00 - [31] Originally by: Umega If you have no information on the matter.. you don't need to post. Then why did you create this thread? Seriously?? OMG people flying 1 type of ship from one system to another. Oh no, a 10 man dread gang just warped to my POS, must be bots!!!!1111oneelevin!! Freighters going from Jita to the other hubs as courier bots? Noob ships in starter systems as bots? Someone just bought 50 T1 strip miners from my sell order, must be outfitting bots!! Seriously, anything and everything in EVE can look like a bot. Sadly some of them are bots.
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2010.10.16 20:46:00 - [32] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Umega If you have no information on the matter.. you don't need to post. Then why did you create this thread? Seriously?? OMG people flying 1 type of ship from one system to another. Oh no, a 10 man dread gang just warped to my POS, must be bots!!!!1111oneelevin!! Freighters going from Jita to the other hubs as courier bots? Noob ships in starter systems as bots? Someone just bought 50 T1 strip miners from my sell order, must be outfitting bots!! Seriously, anything and everything in EVE can look like a bot. Sadly some of them are bots. A touch hyprocritical, eh? Go check out southeastern end of Forge for yourself.. or simply log your jita alt in and check out magnate market history. Cause you know.. it really is so wise when people wish to speak on a matter with zero personal experince or having investigated the matter themselves. Good job, dude. You should know better than that, I would have thought. So let me ask you.. do you have a reason to defend them? Or are you posting with no actual idea or information of your own? ---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it-
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.10.16 21:07:00 - [33] Originally by: Umega or simply log your jita alt in and check out magnate market history. Market history means nothing. Whats stopping people from getting some Magnates and buying them from their own sell orders to inflate the volume? All it takes is people willing to burn through some ISK in broker fees and sales tax. Messing up market graphs is a viable tactic to run out other traders and mess with people minds. In fact, I think I will do this myself just in inflate the volume some more.
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2010.10.16 21:28:00 - [34] Originally by: Breaker77 Originally by: Umega or simply log your jita alt in and check out magnate market history. Market history means nothing. Whats stopping people from getting some Magnates and buying them from their own sell orders to inflate the volume? All it takes is people willing to burn through some ISK in broker fees and sales tax. Messing up market graphs is a viable tactic to run out other traders and mess with people minds. In fact, I think I will do this myself just in inflate the volume some more. Trying to save face n forum cred, huh. Well.. go ahead and inflate the volume some more. Get the price higher and sell some.. cause if you were a smart investor.. you are, aren't you? You'd take the five minutes to fly and go 4-8 jumps from Jita through the southeastern corridor of Forge. Jakanerva, Hampinen, Ikami.. in that area. And see for yourself if what I am saying is true.. Really.. I dare you and anyone to take a look for themselves if you want to believe what I am saying isn't happening. It's already been confirmed by someone else in this very thread. Instead of taking a leap of faith without information.. here I am providing the information for you, and anyone else. I understand forum-egos are tighter than the ass end of an ant, and to argue someones point with nothing only to be shown wrong is a tough pill to swallow. Its ok.. I don't care. As long as this thread keeps being given life so its up there for other people to read. Again.. please file petitions if anyone notices this, 14 day or less magnate pilots in significant numbers in your area. It is happening.. and I rather be someone that takes action against macros.. and not some transparent flake that wishes something was done while contributing nothing, or subject myself to a fake reality of blindly dismissing their existences for the sake of giving myself a reason to not put any effort into the Problem. ---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it-
Lady Worselus Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2010.10.16 22:28:00 - [35] Trying to save face n forum cred, huh. Well.. go ahead and inflate the volume some more. Get the price higher and sell some.. cause if you were a smart investor.. you are, aren't you? You'd take the five minutes to fly and go 4-8 jumps from Jita through the southeastern corridor of Forge. Jakanerva, Hampinen, Ikami.. in that area. And see for yourself if what I am saying is true.. Those systems are funny, you can see at least 5 magnet's at every gate, around 15-20pilot in each system... probably more^^ :)
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.16 23:38:00 - [36] ****ing Magnates, how do they work? I have seen similar macro shcems, tho last time I saw it, it was a bunch of T1 haulers in low sec. I blew up a few of them and watch as the macro pods starting flying in the haulers place, back and forth :P. Petitions were filed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
FeralShadow Black Storm Cartel The Orca Syndicate	Posted - 2010.10.17 01:11:00 - [37] OK so first off... Courier mission macro pilots have been doing this for a LONG time in low sec; with frigates, haulers, you name it. Now how can you fix/fight it? Sensor booster devoter. WILL lock frigates before they warp (especially with rigs), and boom headshot. Can also perma-tank the gates. Done and done. Get to it! _______________________________________________ "If you want to taste the ground, feel free to attack." - Kenshin Himura
daddys helper	Posted - 2010.10.17 01:28:00 - [38] Originally by: Umega Edited by: Umega on 16/10/2010 02:36:41 piloted by 14 days and under characters? words.... 85 million isk on one beginner character, no sub paid, no effort involved, more words... expect rampant inflation and broken economy by RMT/lazy players catching a free ride, not even paying a dime. you aren't making any money off these people while they keep flipping on massive isk faucets.. causing a negative impact upon your world. hey professor, trial accounts cant trade isk to other players so a isk macro on a trial account would be pointless... just sayin
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.10.17 01:38:00 - [39] Edited by: Breaker77 on 17/10/2010 01:39:25 Originally by: daddys helper hey professor, trial accounts cant trade isk to other players so a isk macro on a trial account would be pointless... just sayin Trial account makes ISK, buys items off market, jetcans items, paid account picks up can, sells items. Yep, all ISK is forever stuck on a trial account
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2010.10.17 01:46:00 - [40] Originally by: daddys helper Originally by: Umega Edited by: Umega on 16/10/2010 02:36:41 piloted by 14 days and under characters? words.... 85 million isk on one beginner character, no sub paid, no effort involved, more words... expect rampant inflation and broken economy by RMT/lazy players catching a free ride, not even paying a dime. you aren't making any money off these people while they keep flipping on massive isk faucets.. causing a negative impact upon your world. hey professor, trial accounts cant trade isk to other players so a isk macro on a trial account would be pointless... just sayin Yes.. and after realizing that.. I made a post about how the money could be laundered over to someone else. But you're ignoring that, cause.. why? Also came to realize later on that it is mission macro bots. So not only do we have macros saturating the market with minerals and negatively effecting miners.. we have bots freely accumlating LP to saturate and drive those particular items down in value, negatively effecting mission runners. Is this a good thing to be occuring in EVE? What happened to player driven and controlled market? When you think about the effects of minerals and LP items.. and the notion that the supply of these things are coming from a macro/bot, a computer program.. where is the human element to EVE's market going? But good job reading the entire thread, new information/developments, and using your mind to think for you. I don't mind thinkin for others, especially those that need a.. helping hand... just sayin ---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it-

Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2010.10.17 01:52:00 - [41] Magnates in large numbers near to you? Someone is running large numbers of bots on trial accounts. They do the same thing with PI, mining and ratting. CCP doesn't care or couldn't be bothered. Banning trial accounts won't help much unless they block them by IP, but that can be tricky. It's a low risk (to the person running the bot gang) way of making isk without all the grind.
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.10.17 01:53:00 - [42] Originally by: Umega Yes.. and after realizing that.. I made a post about how the money could be laundered over to someone else. Could you please link to this post you made? I made a post saying how it can be done. Originally by: Breaker77 Trial account makes ISK, buys items off market, jetcans items, paid account picks up can, sells items.
Zeke Mobius	Posted - 2010.10.17 02:55:00 - [43] and people still PAY to play this hacker filled macrobot heaven game... please...
r33f4b Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace	Posted - 2010.10.17 04:02:00 - [44] I did see the same phenomenon, bunch of magnates piloted by recent characters (almost same creation date) having a randomly generated name with the same number of letters, zipping around in a constellation. They are fairly easy to spot in the areas they operate. I was thinking that it might be a way to grind standing for R&D corps (see them in constellations with a bunch of R&D corp stations) and get a bunch of chars for datacores collecting to fill up the slots.
Max Cetera	Posted - 2010.10.17 05:54:00 - [45] Those bots are stupid, they should switch to doing combat mission, would be quite more efficient for them ...
Tyber Zaan	Posted - 2010.10.17 06:17:00 - [46] Originally by: Zeke Mobius and people still PAY to play this hacker filled macrobot heaven game... please... Don't like it? Leave! The door is right there. Dont hit yourself on the way out.
Aessoroz	Posted - 2010.10.17 06:36:00 - [47] Welcome to EVE! By now you have learned that CCP's banhammer is imaginary. We nullsec players are forced to go as far as popping blue macro botters because noone else will do anything.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2010.10.17 06:57:00 - [48] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Damis Shahar What NPC goods can you sell at another station for profit? I thought NPC goods were the same price in every station. Almost all of them. The game adjust the price as you buy them out, though, so margins get narrower each time you do it unless you give them time to recover. That, and generally quite meagre volumes in both the buy and sell orders (before the price is recalculated) keeps the profits down. And that break "a bit" the macro trading between the same 2 stations all day long theory.
Algorton Active Fusion	Posted - 2010.10.17 07:46:00 - [49] Yeah, just seen them...20 macro magnate couriers within 20 minutes, all one day old with random names. Using the Ardishapur familiy bureau in Sahdil as their bee hive. Man that makes me mad...
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2010.10.17 10:39:00 - [50] Originally by: Breaker77 Trial account makes ISK, buys overpriced items off market, ~~jetcans items, paid account picks up can, sells items.~~ Yep, all ISK is forever stuck on a trial account Fixed that for you. At least, that's how it can be done in a location with few active traders using fairly obscure items. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression

Mrs Retina	Posted - 2010.10.17 11:16:00 - [51] Macro miners, macro traders, macro ratters, macro mission runners... Maybe we just need to accept macros as part of the game? Eve is all about adapting.
Corozan Aspinall Party Time Inc.	Posted - 2010.10.17 11:25:00 - [52] Originally by: Corozan Aspinall Magnate chain gangs, in the drone regions, was reported a year ago and at the time everyone who commented was like 'yeah that's a common sight'. The consensus was macro'd courier missions. I'm pretty sure it still is. And consistently amazed at all these people raging on people who suggest it as obviously 'no good'. Which it is, by virtue of being obviously no good. Missions, in the drone regions. Who is issuing them? Seriously macro doing trade missions certainly exists, but not in the drone regions. There are no NPC there to issue missions. Why you guys don't try to learn how the game work before calling wolf? Yeah sorry, I am confusing the drone regions with somewhere else. The point was still made and the consensus is that its missions. The sad thing is that its so flagrant and nobody seems to be able to act on it. Except other players..
El Liptonez	Posted - 2010.10.17 12:12:00 - [53] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs ****ing Magnates, how do they work? /thread
Artemis Rose Clandestine Vector	Posted - 2010.10.17 13:12:00 - [54] Courier missions. Most likely grinding the standings to get access to the lvl 4 ones, so they can fly around in bestowers when they get older. Obviously, nobody here has been to the system of Ingunn around.. a year or so ago. 130+ in local, all named sdg35 in haulers grinding out lvl 4 courier missions. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions	Posted - 2010.10.17 13:14:00 - [55] So, what makes you sure this isn't a noob corp that run some sort of event/contest/race? You watched them for 20min and conclude they are macros? Any other evidence than your strange theory and silly calculations? -- please consider to visit our w-space system, cake will be served immediately.
Ren Nekk Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.10.17 20:43:00 - [56] I noticed this several months ago in (I think?) Kronsur. TONS, TONS of Magnates and Bestowers. 23/7, every day. Whenever I undocked, and they would be swarming around me. Pretty crazy honestly.
Umega Solis Mensa	Posted - 2010.10.17 20:59:00 - [57] Originally by: Karak Terrel So, what makes you sure this isn't a noob corp that run some sort of event/contest/race? You watched them for 20min and conclude they are macros? Any other evidence than your strange theory and silly calculations? Whats so 'strange' exactly about the theory? Please add something other than a baseless assumptions that has less than what I put forth. I suggest reading the entire thread before/if you reply. Doesn't take much intelligence to come to a pretty strong assumptions of macro-bot farm when you watch 30 different pilots within 20 minutes, all using magnates with the same fit, none of them speaking to you in either private or local chat.. not a single one as of yet.. all running with mission cargo.. all under the trial period timeline.. all of them in NPC corps, none aligned to any type of player corp. So if I may ask.. what evidence do you have to support otherwise? Anyone? What is strange is when people show up to defend what is taking place.. I wonder why that is. My guess would be to support their own personal agenda.. whatever that may be. Perhaps bot/macro users themselves, RMT owners, isk buyers, alts with a hand in what is happening.. hmmm makes one wonder. ---------------------------------------- -Treat the EVE Market like you're a pimp and it is your 'employee'.. freely fondle it as you wish and make it pay you for it-
Breaker77 Gallente Reclamation Industries	Posted - 2010.10.17 23:40:00 - [58] Originally by: Umega none of them speaking to you in either private or local chat.. So they are smart enough not to speak to idiots in local. Whats your point again??
Pedro Sangre Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2010.10.17 23:44:00 - [59] Originally by: Umega So if I may ask.. what evidence do you have to support otherwise? Anyone? What is strange is when people show up to defend what is taking place.. I wonder why that is. My guess would be to support their own personal agenda.. whatever that may be. Perhaps bot/macro users themselves, RMT owners, isk buyers, alts with a hand in what is happening.. hmmm makes one wonder. I was going to post along this line of argument. I was pretty sure that this kind of macroing was fairly know about and I can't understand why people would try to repudiate our observations unless they are trying to defend it.
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.10.17 23:46:00 - [60] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs ****ing Magnates, how do they work? hi cat here thought i would drop by to explain the magnate issue. the trouble is that we have positive forces (like me, some other forum posters etc) who are the positive side of things and then you get these damned bot things well they are a negative force and well combined that mak you know what i don't have the stream of consciousness for this right now lol damn botters stole my ride x EVE Garden



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