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Cyprus Black
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2010.10.16 09:31:00 -
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I'll be happy to oblige and go red so you can shoot me. Then I can come back in a combat ship and hold you ransom.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.10.16 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Quote: High sec is the shallow end of the pool.
Ok, ok, you're right. Highsec is the shallow end of the pool. Also, the end of the pool where the kiddie pool is located. The one with ankle-deep water. NPC corps is that ankle-deep kiddie pool. Stay in it if you're afraid of the shallow end. God forbid you even think about the deep end then.
I would also like the add that in most pools with kiddie pools, most saves will occur there. The point of the kiddie pool is to learn the mechanics of swimming not to be sheltered from the big pool
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Mal Lokrano
Gallente The Executives IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.16 18:13:00 -
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I am not tired of any of them. Is it annoying? Sure, but like you mention right at the beginning of your post space is lawless. Concord only provides punishment, not protection. It is the job of the player to protect them self and their corp.
Besides, this game was built for the people who like ****ing in other's Cheerios . _____ When going to a party with wine, women, and song. Always ascertain the vintage of the first two.
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Vadania Amastacia
Caldari Blacklight Incorporated Broken Chains Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.16 18:34:00 -
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Per CCP Mitnal: Originally by: CCP Mitnal "Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."
Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage. Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.
Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.
Per CCP Incognito : Originally by: CCP Incognito Had a chat with some designers this evening. Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private. They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks.
(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)
Any questions?
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Conrad Makbure
Gallente Raptor Navy
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Posted - 2010.10.17 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 15/10/2010 14:32:39
Originally by: Subjorn 1.You're doing missions and some random person warps in and starts salvaging your wrecks. Can we at least make it where they go red so I can attack them for stealing? At this point my only options are to let them steal my salvage or blow it up. I blow it up.
Because allowing miners to attack canflippers was such a brilliant idea in the past, amirite ? If such a guy comes into your mission, what you should do is offer him a "50-50 split" contract, where he follows you around (you provide the bookmark, no need for scanning) and you split the earnings 50-50. Chat his ears off POLITELY. Ask him to be your friend. Be cheerful. With a bit of luck, he'll be so creeped out he won't ever come into your mission again. Or, you know, just ignore him - who the bloody heck bothers with loot and salvage nowadays anyway ? Just speed-run your missions. That, or wait for when the Noctis comes around. You can tractor beam wrecks, he can't.
HavenĈt been around to see can flippers turn red in the past, but if I just finish a level 4 solo mission and some ******* warps in and starts salvaging my stuff, the last thing IĈm going to do is be ôpoliteö and offer him a 50/50 split. Like hell I will, especially if I did all the work??? Offer him something? Are you high??
I can probably get 10+ armor plates from the salvage of a level 4 mission. No, IĈd rather blow him up if I can get away with it, but I canĈt. IĈm inclined to agree with the OP here to some extent. Then again, IĈve yet to actually experience someone warp into one of my mission areas.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.10.17 04:55:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 17/10/2010 05:03:54
If he touches any of your loot, you CAN shoot him. But if he only salvages the wrecks... well... you HAVEN'T done all the work, otherwise he would be unable to salvage them... as there would be no wrecks TO salvage.
Besides, 10-20 armor plates, that's like, what, 2.5-5 mil ISK ? You make that much shooting a few more NPC battleships. Since sized rigs were introduced, salvage prices have gone down drastically, and since the "recent" loot makeup adjustment, loot value has also dropped drastically. If you don't have somebody doing the looting and salvaging for you (be it a less-skilled alt, or a relative newbish corpmate or whatnot), and if you're serious about mission-running but you're not running them in a marauder (to loot and salvage while you run the mission), then in most cases you'd probably be better off ignoring wrecks altogether and speed-running L4s back-to-back instead.
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Chiana Moro
Dark Shadow Industries Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.10.17 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Subjorn
1.You're doing missions and some random person warps in and starts salvaging your wrecks. Can we at least make it where they go red so I can attack them for stealing? At this point my only options are to let them steal my salvage or blow it up. I blow it up.
2.Someone invites a player to fleet up just so they can destroy their ship without concord attacking them. Can we not get at least a popup when someone takes a hostile action towards you that allows you to leave fleet instantly so that concord can do their job and pop these griefers. This happened to a corp mate when another corp mate invited him to go mining and he lost a retriver.
3.WarDecs in high sec, I like the idea behind wardecs but if players choose to start a corp in high sec they are wanting to focus on other aspects of the game not PVP. I'm not saying get rid of wardecs in high sec but what I am asking is that if someone wnats to wardec a high sec corp that the corp being dec'd must accept it or it doesn't happen. A newbie corp can be griefed endlessly by people.
Lol-worthy
1/ Warp out - let the ninjas take the aggro (or don't do missions near/in mission hubs) 2/ Not all targeting blues in fleet is hostile. it would be tricky programmatically. 3/ Ummm the alternative is simply stupid. "Accept a war dec?" don't think any indy corps would do that. No, it's simply not EVE.
Truly pathetic griefers .... ore thiefs.
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Shizuken
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Posted - 2010.10.17 18:02:00 -
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Well if someone tries to loot your wrecks can't you shoot them? I enjoy the fact that players get such a big role in determining how this game unfolds. I am coming from WoW where if someone from you faction interrupts your questing by aggroing tons of NPCs on you there is absolutely NOTHING you can do about it. You are not allowed to fight people in your own faction whatsoever. This has created an environment where that kind of disruptive "griefing" is everywhere because there is no corrective action you can take which would give them an incentive not to behave that way. This is of course you are on a PvP server and want to pay for another account so you can have a badass toon from the other alliance to try and log onto before they split. Trust me, the EVE way is better.
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wolf419
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Posted - 2010.10.18 19:04:00 -
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2.Someone invites a player to fleet up just so they can destroy their ship without concord attacking them. Can we not get at least a popup when someone takes a hostile action towards you that allows you to leave fleet instantly so that concord can do their job and pop these griefers. This happened to a corp mate when another corp mate invited him to go mining and he lost a retriver.
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Verdon Teraskun
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Posted - 2010.10.19 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
If such a guy comes into your mission, what you should do is offer him a "50-50 split" contract, where he follows you around (you provide the bookmark, no need for scanning) and you split the earnings 50-50. Chat his ears off POLITELY. Ask him to be your friend. Be cheerful. With a bit of luck, he'll be so creeped out he won't ever come into your mission again.
I prefer the old "Get recon level 3 and sit in the gas cloud AFK for a day" strategy.
Oh the tears.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2010.10.19 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Verdon Teraskun
I prefer the old "Get recon level 3 and sit in the gas cloud AFK for a day" strategy.
Oh the tears.
If you got that mission, fleet random ppl in shuttles and fleet warp them into it.
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AstarothPrime
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Posted - 2010.10.19 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Subjorn
1.You're doing missions and some random person warps in and starts salvaging your wrecks. Can we at least make it where they go red so I can attack them for stealing? At this point my only options are to let them steal my salvage or blow it up. I blow it up.
No, I like that option - works great when ure bored... find someone on angelvaganza and try not to get shot by mobs around ya.
Originally by: Subjorn
2.Someone invites a player to fleet up just so they can destroy their ship without concord attacking them. Can we not get at least a popup when someone takes a hostile action towards you that allows you to leave fleet instantly so that concord can do their job and pop these griefers. This happened to a corp mate when another corp mate invited him to go mining and he lost a retriver.
Pffft - a retriever - cheap school. Next time u rant about that - make sure its atleast a jump freighter with something valuable in it.
Originally by: Subjorn
3.WarDecs in high sec, I like the idea behind wardecs but if players choose to start a corp in high sec they are wanting to focus on other aspects of the game not PVP. I'm not saying get rid of wardecs in high sec but what I am asking is that if someone wnats to wardec a high sec corp that the corp being dec'd must accept it or it doesn't happen. A newbie corp can be griefed endlessly by people.
Endless giefing can be petitioned a.f.a.i.k. On the other hand - give 0sec and lowsec a go. You cant tell me that staring at a rock in 1.0 sec space is so darn fun. And dont tell me ALL of your corpies stare at a rock all time, and noone can field atleast a decent battlecruiser and some rr support (atleast in form of T1 cruiser).
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.19 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 15/10/2010 14:32:39
Originally by: Subjorn 1.You're doing missions and some random person warps in and starts salvaging your wrecks. Can we at least make it where they go red so I can attack them for stealing? At this point my only options are to let them steal my salvage or blow it up. I blow it up.
Because allowing miners to attack canflippers was such a brilliant idea in the past, amirite ?
This is a stupid argument.
Lets see before the change flippers just came in and stole with 0 chance of consequence. Now they at least face the chance that the jetcanner is actually Can baiting them.
Really what is it you are so afraid of?
And I don't give a flying frack what rational CCP has offered, ninja salvaging is theft and should be treated as such. Those wrecks exist through the efforts of the MR and as such represent their spoils and they should have the right to defend those spoils.
Now exercising said right might not be the smartest move but it should still be a right.
Mechanics I'd like to see changed to give some balance between the good and bad guys.
Ninja salvaging flagged as theft.
Looting of mission completion items flagged as theft.
Kill rights going to the players corporation so there is some remote chance in hell that they might actually be exercised someday.
RR causing an aggression flag to delay docking {make them risk those damn logis}.
Scan resolution and signature effects in deadspace to make it harder to scan runners down.
Basically what I have a problem with in this game is the number of mechanics that allow consequence free griefing.
I think it's good for the game that people can choose to play the bad guy. What I have a problem with is the mechanics preventing any consequence being applied to that choice.
Chance of any of these ideas getting implemented. Something approaching 0 since the biggest griefers in the game are the developers.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.10.20 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Skex Relbore
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Subjorn 1.You're doing missions and some random person warps in and starts salvaging your wrecks. Can we at least make it where they go red so I can attack them for stealing? At this point my only options are to let them steal my salvage or blow it up. I blow it up.
Because allowing miners to attack canflippers was such a brilliant idea in the past, amirite ?
This is a stupid argument.
Might be, but it's the truth. Overall, allowing people to shoot salvagers will result in overall much more "grief" than NOT allowing them to shoot them. I AM NOT SAYING IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN, IF ONLY FOR "T3H LULZ" OF IT. What I am saying is that it will have the opposite effect those complaining about it would desire.
Suppose salvaging was considered stealing, and you can freely aggress the salvager. The effect of that will be that whoever was before just salvaging will now be salvaging AND grabbing all the loot, since there's no "additional penalty" for doing so.
MANY mission-runners will at first attack the now-looter-salvagers for sure. In fact, there's a small but non-zero chance that the mission-runner's drones WILL automatically aggress the salvager if he doesn't pay attention, effectively granting the salvager the right to shoot at the mission-runner at will for the next 15 minutes. Since the overall effect will be that the "ninja-salvaging" profession becomes more dangerous, there MIGHT be less ninja-salvagers (now ninja-looting-salvagers), but those that remain will be far less scrupulous in their approaches, with an increased chance of them getting in the mission primarily to kill the missioner rather than just loot and salvage... or an even mix of those two.
All in all, this change will almost certainly result in far more mission-runner deaths. But then again, eh, why not. MAKE IT SO
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.20 04:29:00 -
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I admit I hadn't thought of the drone issue.
Then again it results in more explosions so tis all good.
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The AEther
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.10.20 10:37:00 -
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If you don't some random player to salvage your wrecks, invite a corpmate of yours to do a mission together. Especially younger players will appreciate it. You run the mission - he salvages the wrecks and loots them and shares it with you. It's both time and cost effective.
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Subjorn
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Posted - 2010.10.20 14:32:00 -
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OMG , This has made two pages and over 1k views.
I wasn't expecting this, I knew the flames would come and I knew some people felt the same way because I have spoken with a few of them in game.
This is likely my be post of all time just for the fact that I managed to get so many people looking at it.
I have to send out a special thanks to all the haters and griefers and carbears making this post what it is.
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