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Mammal Tafren
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.10.14 01:49:00 -
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There is a thought in the philosophy of the Gallenteans, first pioneered by the Philosopher Francois-Marie Anouet, that humans are born without any pre-existing mental substance, that we are an entirely clean slate, and that it is our experiences that forge the writing on us.
This idea, first of all, touches upon the dichotomy of genetics versus environment. For Anouet, we are shaped, like warm wax, by our environs, by our culture, by our associations.
But secondly, and most importantly this idea of the blank slate of humanity touches upon morality, and it is of this I wish to speak, the morality of the capsuleer.
In the beginning, a Capsuleer is like the wax, even moreso than most, for the capacity exists to endlessly reshape the wax tablet of the capsuleerÆs mind. No moral mindset has not made an imprint on this wax, as yet.
Many things can make these impressions, however. Once a capsuleer takes to the stars, he is forced to make complex decisions. Living is space beyond the reach of CONCORD is tricky. Every ship one sees is a potential enemy, ready to riddle oneÆs hull with holes and expel oneÆs clone into space to flash freeze or explosively decompress. In an environment where fear preys on the capsuleerÆs mind to such an extent, he or she may make a decision to act in morally questionable ways.
Once this happens, we are no longer a clean slate, we are marked, and unlike most things in the capsuleers life, this marking is permanent.
Too many capsuleers have gone mad at the edge of space. You call yourself a blank tablet, but your actions show you as marked, chiselled away, destroyed. Not transhumans, but subhumans, clustering around lawless systems and barking at moons and towers, impotent and ignorant of what more there is to existence.
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chekerss
Minmatar Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2010.10.14 08:30:00 -
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Well spoken Mammal, personaly I see Tabula Rasa as a very well worn stone. Worn with their actions as false allies, traitors, and untrustworthy space scum. Hopefully as good upstanding pilots we can wipe that slate clean with our auto-cannon and missile fire.
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Azran Zala
Fleet of the Damned Ta8ula Rasa
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Posted - 2010.10.16 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Azran Zala on 16/10/2010 20:08:53
Originally by: chekerss Well spoken Mammal, personaly I see Tabula Rasa as a very well worn stone. Worn with their actions as false allies, traitors, and untrustworthy space scum. Hopefully as good upstanding pilots we can wipe that slate clean with our auto-cannon and missile fire.
It is Ishuk-Raata who are the false allies, your leaders yielding nothing but lies and deceit towards out great seer Borazlak the primary, who in his great wisdom saw through their tainted words. Now we shall purge weakness from our ranks and cleanse our holy celestials of your fowl greed.
Nothing shall remain. These worlds shall be wiped clean.
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Miata Swift
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Posted - 2010.10.16 20:52:00 -
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Edited by: Miata Swift on 16/10/2010 20:53:18
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Bob TSlob
Caldari Knights of Apathy Ta8ula Rasa
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Posted - 2010.10.16 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: chekerss Well spoken Mammal, personaly I see Tabula Rasa as a very well worn stone. Worn with their actions as false allies, traitors, and untrustworthy space scum. Hopefully as good upstanding pilots we can wipe that slate clean with our auto-cannon and missile fire.
Just a useful bit of intel for you gentlemen from I-RED. First, those autocannons and missiles do no damage if you stay docked. Second, we kept our side of the bargain. You didn't. Luckily our side of the bargain required us to wage war on you.
PS- nice roleplaying. If you give a man a fish, he will eat for a day, but if you teach him to fish, you can gank him at the lake and steal his boat. |
Valdezi
Amarr Intaki Security and Intelligence Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2010.10.16 21:39:00 -
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Bob, your skills as a diplomat are only exceeded by your abilities in Zealot fitting.
Keep losing the good fight, buddy.
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Bob TSlob
Caldari Knights of Apathy Ta8ula Rasa
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Posted - 2010.10.16 21:50:00 -
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Thank you for the heart felt compliment on both of my skills there. I really do appreciate it. I worked really hard to achieve all the goals that my alliance set for me as a diplomat, and it feels like a real accomplishment when it happens. As for my abilities for fitting ships, the zealot in particular, thank you again. I'm proud of the results I get from the fits, though I can't take credit at all for that lost zealot. I copied a well known and super successful fit from PL there. If you give a man a fish, he will eat for a day, but if you teach him to fish, you can gank him at the lake and steal his boat. |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari Kumiho's Smile Naraka.
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Posted - 2010.10.17 05:52:00 -
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... I'm sorry, did the OP actually ...
... I mean, did he actually mention ...
... or in some way imply that ...
Oh, never mind.
Mr. Tafren, if you'd like to discuss this topic, I'd be happy to, but it looks like your topic heading has derailed your intent, so much so that I'm not sure it's useful for me to respond here.
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Merdaneth
Amarr Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.10.17 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mammal Tafren In the beginning, a Capsuleer is like the wax, even moreso than most, for the capacity exists to endlessly reshape the wax tablet of the capsuleerÆs mind. No moral mindset has not made an imprint on this wax, as yet.
Do you have any proof whatsoever for this assertion? Most capsuleers start their career with very clear moral mindsets. Just ask moral questions of capsuleers right out of the academy. I can assure you, they can answer most if not all.
Quote: Once this happens, we are no longer a clean slate, we are marked, and unlike most things in the capsuleers life, this marking is permanent.
Untrue. Just don't upgrade you clone and have yourself podded a couple of times. Your accumulated memories will be neatly erased and big parts of your slate wiped clean. Also, even capsuleers have the capacity to forget like non-capsuleers.
I don't know what kind of point you are trying to make, but what you are stating here doesn't make a lot of sense. Consider that you have 'gone mad at the edge of space' yourself?
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Mammal Tafren
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.10.17 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Mammal Tafren In the beginning, a Capsuleer is like the wax, even moreso than most, for the capacity exists to endlessly reshape the wax tablet of the capsuleerÆs mind. No moral mindset has not made an imprint on this wax, as yet.
Do you have any proof whatsoever for this assertion? Most capsuleers start their career with very clear moral mindsets. Just ask moral questions of capsuleers right out of the academy. I can assure you, they can answer most if not all.
I was speaking metaphorically here and I'm not sure that anecdotal evidence can contribute much to the discussion. As for factual verification of what I say, it largely depends on your definition of 'beginning', wouldn't you agree?
Originally by: Merdaneth
Quote: Once this happens, we are no longer a clean slate, we are marked, and unlike most things in the capsuleers life, this marking is permanent.
Untrue. Just don't upgrade you clone and have yourself podded a couple of times. Your accumulated memories will be neatly erased and big parts of your slate wiped clean. Also, even capsuleers have the capacity to forget like non-capsuleers.
I don't know what kind of point you are trying to make, but what you are stating here doesn't make a lot of sense. Consider that you have 'gone mad at the edge of space' yourself?
I think it interesting that you purport endlessly spacing yourself as a remedy to remembrance and then one paragraph later, accuse me of madness. That, I think, is the most revealing thing of all.
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Marco drack
Gallente Black Mesa Ta8ula Rasa
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Posted - 2010.10.29 19:10:00 -
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I love how I-Red calls and the gallente miltia comes runing to help, to be honest it looks like you lot are I-RED's lap dogs.
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Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.10.29 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Marco drack I love how I-Red calls and the gallente miltia comes runing to help, to be honest it looks like you lot are I-RED's lap dogs.
If by this statement you seek to classify the Intaki Liberation Front as members of the Gallente Militia, then I cannot remember a more stark example of intense and complete ignorance in my career as a capsuleer.
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Marco drack
Gallente Black Mesa Ta8ula Rasa
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Posted - 2010.10.29 23:11:00 -
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well must be in some way because they down they proberly doing what you have said, of course me being gallente I have a right to speak that you lot should sort out other stuff to be honest not to be nosey in bussiness that concerns you.
Marco Drack
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Valdezi
Amarr Intaki Security and Intelligence Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2010.10.30 00:35:00 -
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Marco, I'm disappointed with this.
You ragequit I-RED over some trivial thing, and now you trash talk them for having more friends than Tab. I understand your frustration; Tab hasn't won a single fleet engagement yet.
Perhaps you do belong there, after all.
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Marco drack
Gallente Black Mesa Ta8ula Rasa
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Posted - 2010.10.30 01:24:00 -
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Edited by: Marco drack on 30/10/2010 01:43:38 sorry but you don't lecture me on that, I never rage quited there is a reason behind why I left and the leadership knows that, and TAB has fought and won alot which makes me laugh and such that I-Red having more friends its just to stop the war between Caldari and Gallente, which I want it to end but this ain't going to end the war to be honest, is it?
Marco Drack
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John Revenent
Caldari Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2010.10.30 05:03:00 -
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Fought and won... 37% efficiency and continuing to fall.
You talk of honesty and yet Ta8ula Rasa is the aggressor, without notice they assaulted Ishukone-Raata Towers when they were under a formal agreement called a NAP (For people in Ta8ula Rasa this means Non-Aggression Pact self explanatory.) Then take steps to create a foil based diplomatic attempt and demand Ishukone-Raata to join them and close I-RED.. among other laughable demands.
But please continue... I hand you the shovel no need to dig yourself the whole with your bare hands.
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Azran Zala
Fleet of the Damned Ta8ula Rasa
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Posted - 2010.11.01 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Azran Zala on 01/11/2010 17:00:04
Originally by: John Revenent Edited by: John Revenent on 30/10/2010 08:25:58 Fought and won... 37% efficiency and continuing to fall.
You talk of honesty and yet Ta8ula Rasa is the aggressor, without notice they assaulted Ishukone-Raata Towers when they were under a formal agreement called a NAP (For people in Ta8ula Rasa this means Non-Aggression Pact self explanatory.) Then take steps to create a foil based diplomatic attempt and demand Ishukone-Raata to join them and close I-RED.. among other laughable demands.
But please continue... I hand you the shovel no need to dig yourself the hole with your bare hands.
I for one am quite touched by a Caldari security force and a Gallentean militia setting asside their differences for a tempory truce to form against a more superior threat. For whatever semblence of patriotism that remains in my heart for my Caldari ties. I hope it may well serve as an example and presedent for future negotiations between our two people.
That asside. Taking a deeper look into your claims of combat efficiency in this war John, may I point out that your figures do not include casualties suffered by your Gallentean counter parts, who unfortuanetly seem in the last few engagements to have taken the brunt of the damage in your fleets. (Of course being Caldari myself I can understand the strategic tact of a caldari FC to first use these more, 'expendible' resources as the cannon fodder/buffer between your own pilots and ours.)
Likewise in terms of our campaign goal to hamper ireds profit making capibilities, those figures do not take into account losses on your part in terms of lost reaction revenue, fallen starbases, aswell starbase modules scooped from your arsenal and pushed right back into funding our own war machine, not to mention towers themselves which we've been fortunate to scoop during your poorly organised evac ops.
Taking that into consideration with our secondary goal of procuring practice for fleet commanders and pilots alike in assualting heavily fortified starbases, which will be invaluble to our more long terms goals in a future beyond syndicate. I dare say that pilots of Ta8ula are quite confident with our performace even though there is still much room for improvement.
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Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.11.01 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Azran Zala I for one am quite touched by a Caldari security force and a Gallentean militia setting asside their differences for a tempory truce to form against a more superior threat. For whatever semblence of patriotism that remains in my heart for my Caldari ties. I hope it may well serve as an example and presedent for future negotiations between our two people.
That asside. Taking a deeper look into your claims of combat efficiency in this war John, may I point out that your figures do not include casualties suffered by your Gallentean counter parts, who unfortuanetly seem in the last few engagements to have taken the brunt of the damage in your fleets. (Of course being Caldari myself I can understand the strategic tact of a caldari FC to first use these more, 'expendible' resources as the cannon fodder/buffer between your own pilots and ours.)
Mr Zala
You're mistaken if you think cooperation and positive standings between I-RED and the ILF is in response to Ta8ula Rasa's treachery against the Syndicate Coalition to which you once belonged. There's clear evidence here on IGS should you wish to find it that shows that we were friends long before you're aggression, and it's very likely this will continue afterwards too. Basically there is no "temporary truce" in existance, because there was no conflict before.
Perhaps it is typical of a Ta8ula Rasa pilot to view any NAP with a group of other corperations and alliances as merely temporary affairs, simply a period of inconvenient niceties to be endured before your greed and misplaced self superiority takes over and you begin to attempt to take that which you covet.
What you are seeing in is not Intaki pilots being ordered to lose their ships to shield those of I-RED. What you are seeing is ILF pilots flying bravely at the front, alongside trusted comrades and allies against a common threat. Overtly showing our allies that not only do we value their support if called upon, but we too can be called up to support them.
It's what belonging to a coalition involves, Mr Zala. I'm not surprised you don't recognise it.
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Azran Zala
Fleet of the Damned Ta8ula Rasa
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Posted - 2010.11.01 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Azran Zala on 01/11/2010 18:33:52
Originally by: Bataav
Originally by: Azran Zala I for one am quite touched by a Caldari security force and a Gallentean militia setting asside their differences for a tempory truce to form against a more superior threat. For whatever semblence of patriotism that remains in my heart for my Caldari ties. I hope it may well serve as an example and presedent for future negotiations between our two people.
That asside. Taking a deeper look into your claims of combat efficiency in this war John, may I point out that your figures do not include casualties suffered by your Gallentean counter parts, who unfortuanetly seem in the last few engagements to have taken the brunt of the damage in your fleets. (Of course being Caldari myself I can understand the strategic tact of a caldari FC to first use these more, 'expendible' resources as the cannon fodder/buffer between your own pilots and ours.)
Mr Zala
You're mistaken if you think cooperation and positive standings between I-RED and the ILF is in response to Ta8ula Rasa's treachery against the Syndicate Coalition to which you once belonged. There's clear evidence here on IGS should you wish to find it that shows that we were friends long before you're aggression, and it's very likely this will continue afterwards too. Basically there is no "temporary truce" in existance, because there was no conflict before.
Perhaps it is typical of a Ta8ula Rasa pilot to view any NAP with a group of other corperations and alliances as merely temporary affairs, simply a period of inconvenient niceties to be endured before your greed and misplaced self superiority takes over and you begin to attempt to take that which you covet.
What you are seeing in is not Intaki pilots being ordered to lose their ships to shield those of I-RED. What you are seeing is ILF pilots flying bravely at the front, alongside trusted comrades and allies against a common threat. Overtly showing our allies that not only do we value their support if called upon, but we too can be called up to support them.
It's what belonging to a coalition involves, Mr Zala. I'm not surprised you don't recognise it.
I only laugh at your naive vanity in thinking I was refering to Intaki Libiration front, as if they're contribution has been relevant.
The gallenteans I speak of "Shadows Of The Federation" of the "Gallente Federation". Although Im sure behind the scenes there are some mutal ties of respect between the 3 of you.
May I also extend my respect to them, for they have proven honorable on the field and have give their all to holding their ground during engagements.
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Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.11.01 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Azran Zala I only laugh at your naive vanity in thinking I was refering to Intaki Libiration front...
An error on my part, I see. I can accept my mistake. Perhaps expected following the earlier comments by Marco drack in response to my fellow ILF member, Mammal Tafren.
Originally by: Azran Zala ...as if their contribution has been relevant.
The ILF itself may not be responsible for the specific result of any particular engagement, but from your comments and responses here so far you seem like someone who respects the efforts of capsuleers and pilots on both sides. I'd have thought you'd recognise the value in each and every ship in your fleet and while sometimes, in the greater scheme of things, individual actions pale into insignificance as the wider conflict continues, they each hold a small integral part of the key to the final outcome.
Maybe the numbers just aren't large enough to catch your attention but as far as I can tell any ILF involvement has to date cost Ta8ula Rasa almost three times that of any losses we've incurred in monetary terms.
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Gallactica
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.01 19:20:00 -
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Mr Zala,
The respect we have for you is indeed mutual - your warriors have shown great courage and skill in the engagements we have had so far and we certainly need to be at our best to be able to stand against you. Hopefully we are proving this on the battlefield.
We have a history with I-Red in both conflict and now friendship and will fight to stand by our friends for as long as we are able.
Perhaps one day when this conflict is over we will be able to walk down the same road with you.
We fight for the Gallente federation and our friends with both honour and respect.
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Azran Zala
Fleet of the Damned Ta8ula Rasa
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Posted - 2010.11.01 19:52:00 -
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My appolgies for my smug comment Bataav, You are indeed correct. No matter how small the contribution, each and every pilot makes a difference, including in skills on the battlefield, aswell as their resolve and integraty towards their comrads. It was wrong of me to brush that asside.
In consideration for Gallactica's words, its true we all have our own reasons for being on the battlefield and supporting the ones we do. In the end at the very least we as individule capsulears can respect each others resolve to fight the good fight and do the best we can for our alliances, politics asside.
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Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.01 20:05:00 -
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I-RED impressed us with their backbone in our little war the other month.
Also helping them is a nice change of scene. A holiday as it were.
It's got nothing to do with TA8 specifically. We just enjoy shooting people and you're the people we're shooting at the moment.
Gosh there's some pretentious *******s on gallnet.
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Mammal Tafren
Gallente Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2010.11.01 23:01:00 -
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There have been many words of reason here, even some from members of Ta8ula Rasa.
Perhaps it is time, if Ta8ula Rasa are reasonable people, for them to return to the table to negotiate with the coalition? Continued bloodshed would be unfortunate and I think there is little doubt that the coalition can find favourable terms for Ta8's concession.
The doors of discussion, as ever, are open.
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Leil Ren'Do
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Posted - 2010.11.02 00:41:00 -
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I stopped reading at yet another french dude with a girl name
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Gallactica
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.02 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Marco drack I love how I-Red calls and the gallente miltia comes runing to help, to be honest it looks like you lot are I-RED's lap dogs.
This did make me laugh, we had a discussion with I-RED and seeing as our current area of operations against the Caldari Milita has been very much under our control for a period of time, we offered our services to help and the offer was gladly receieved to fight alongside them.
As mentioned earlier, we were previously at war with I-RED - A mutual respect was formed from this conflict which meant a friendship was born from it.
Dont spoil the respect that your alliance has earned from us so far with such pathetic comments, it makes you look foolish.
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Vechtor
Intaki Chartered Company
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Posted - 2010.11.03 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Mammal Tafren
Too many capsuleers have gone mad at the edge of space. You call yourself a blank tablet, but your actions show you as marked, chiselled away, destroyed. Not transhumans, but subhumans, clustering around lawless systems and barking at moons and towers, impotent and ignorant of what more there is to existence.
I've to admit Mammal... very well spoken.
As for Ta8ula Rasa's war against a Coallition that was formed to bring stability in The Syndicate with the purpose to secure trade routes and economic development in and between Syndicate and Intaki (thus Placid at a greater perspective) I can only say that Ta8 is loosing, and loosing badly, both in terms of ISK and in terms of morale.
Reason is obvious and it's what I've told Ta8's diplomat once. Its a war they can't win because the only way they could win this war would be the dissolution of the Coallition and I-RED beeing expelled from The Syndicate. None has happened and won't happen.
As a side note, the ISK gap between the Coallition's destruction of Ta8 and Ta8's destruction of anything grows every day. They just keep loosing more and more.
I would like to take the opportunity to call every Intaki citizen to arms. This Syndicate Coallition exists to help you by bringing back a sense of unity between us and our brothers in Syndicate that was long lost. If you are an Intaki citizen, or an Intaki loyalist, join us in this cause and help us to erase from The Syndicate map every source of instability.
Vechtor
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Tekitha
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.04 23:36:00 -
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Intel reports Ta8ula Rasa are withdrawing asstes from their home system of U4-Q2V and on further investigation it seems the system has indeed been abandoned.
Perhaps the "lap dogs" turned out to have rather large shiny teeth and big **** off sharp claws? Don't believe the hype! |
Azran Zala
Fleet of the Damned Ta8ula Rasa
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Posted - 2010.11.05 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tekitha Intel reports Ta8ula Rasa are withdrawing asstes from their home system of U4-Q2V and on further investigation it seems the system has indeed been abandoned.
Perhaps the "lap dogs" turned out to have rather large shiny teeth and big **** off sharp claws?
Vangaurd stopped paying us.
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Gallactica
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2010.11.05 15:43:00 -
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So basically SOTF's presence and our friendship with I-red caused you to retreat?
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