concerning the POS ideas : I do like a lot what was said, but as also said, removing forcefield will be a big issue for fleet on 0.0.

for people who don't know, we can wait 20-40-60mn on the staging POS, waiting for jump bridge or for call to go manually.
it would obviously not be possible without a protection, as given the time we'll often be afk.

and it can't be done docked, as we can't see the situation while docked.
we need to know if it's safe to undock... or simply if the fleet is still here !

an anchorable shield as proposed would be okay, but there must be something. you may ask for sov3-4-5 and/or a bill for it if you don't want it everywhere.

but I see it again ; except for FF (where I wonder what the good solution is) I loved what I read here.

currently it takes ages to mount a POS, which look like a pile of junk without any soul, so having a modular system, with only one unique object which looks great and where we can dock would be really great for immersion.
we don't feel "at home currently" on a POS.

Trebor mentioned that not having a force field would be a big change to the way fleets often operate, and Greyscale mentioned that he would be looking into that.

I understand that you guys want more accountability and transparency.

However, this report is 165 pages of jibberjabber.

Is there a bulletpoint version for those of us that don't care about your needs to be accountable and proper and transparent and all that is "good"?

If not, I guess I'll take a over the next few weeks but right now there is a lot of stuff I don't need to know/care for and it will take time to filter out all that stuff.

Thanks!

I understand that you guys want more accountability and transparency.

However, this report is 165 pages of jibberjabber.

Is there a bulletpoint version for those of us that don't care about your needs to be accountable and proper and transparent and all that is "good"?

If not, I guess I'll take a over the next few weeks but right now there is a lot of stuff I don't need to know/care for and it will take time to filter out all that stuff.

Thanks!

woa woa woa, what the F*CK is this



I AM PLEADING with you, don't do this. This will absolutely murder lowsec. Not liking LOWSEC gate camps is one thing (nullsec is apparently fine to camp) , but enabling fast tackle on any gate in lowsec is going to put a absolute stop to the traffic that exists there now.

And this wont even stop camps (as i assume this is the intention of the change). All it will promote is the time honored tradition of bouncing.

How does this work with cycling between targets?

I'd like to strongly echo these concerns, albeit for slightly different reasons. To drop a triage carrier in under 5 minutes, you're looking at 3-4k+ dps. If that's applied in the same way that current sentry damage is (i.e. perfect tracking, full damage anywhere within 150 km of the gate), it basically makes it impossible to have any kind of extended small-scale gang engagement on a lowsec gate outside of FW since such fights generally require one side or the other to take GCC, and that's far too much extra dps to cope with on that scale when you can't mitigate it through range/tracking. As Karl notes, it would have basically no effect on gatecampers since they'll just chill at off-grid safes between ganks, but it'd cripple small-scale roaming pvp.

On POS changes, I wish that were a much higher priority for CCP, but the transcript allowed me to see that the CSM agreed and voiced that opinion. The POS changes sound very exciting overall, but still several concerns to sort such as small POSes being used to create fortess systems with 2 week timers in W-Space. That would make invasions excruciatingly boring and time consuming. Docking in POSes would represent a significant loss in intel for W-Space if there weren't still some way to count pilots or ships. Cloaking POSes would be...interesting.

At the same time I find it impossible to believe the "no more Jesus features" commitment when I read discussion such as the one on the revamped POSes - I can tell you today that 2/3 of the "awesome" ideas discussed in that session will never make it into actual planning while the remaining third will be postponed for future iterations and then forgotten because some more pressing issue comes along.

Question 2 while I wait on the answer to my question 1 (page 3 of this thread):

Pages 93-95 Crimewatch

Was there no discussion about the change in sec status hits that was discussed at fanfest (essentially meaning lowsec piracy would no longer lock a pirate out of high sec)? I would love to know if that idea (a great idea!) was scrapped or if it's still going to happen - and if so, when?

concerning the POS ideas : I do like a lot what was said, but as also said, removing forcefield will be a big issue for fleet on 0.0.

Seleene's link is good, but you are the "Managing Editor" of an EVE fan site. Don't you want to read all the details to report on them to your site visitors?

Question 2 while I wait on the answer to my question 1 (page 3 of this thread):

Pages 93-95 Crimewatch

Was there no discussion about the change in sec status hits that was discussed at fanfest (essentially meaning lowsec piracy would no longer lock a pirate out of high sec)? I would love to know if that idea (a great idea!) was scrapped or if it's still going to happen - and if so, when?

CCP decided that industry should be goal based making it more fun and quicker to do.

However, this report is 165 pages of jibberjabber.

Is there a bulletpoint version for those of us that don't care about your needs to be accountable and proper and transparent and all that is "good"?

If not, I guess I'll take a over the next few weeks but right now there is a lot of stuff I don't need to know/care for and it will take time to filter out all that stuff.

CCP Greyscale moves on to explain his work on sentry guns. Sentry guns will now shoot anyone with a criminal flag, suspect or otherwise. Sentry guns will also start with smaller amounts of damage, and ramp up with time. Ideal tuning will be to where triage carriers will die at around 4 1/2 minutes. This way, if you want to use triage carriers in lowsec on gates you can, but you must commit to the cycle for a length of time before starting your reps, if you want to deactivate triage before the sentry guns kill you and jump out. CCP Greyscale also points out that another goal is to make it so that the first couple of hits won't kill an interceptor immediately, enabling a quick tackle, and then a warp out.

I love this idea as well, and will definitely be talking more about it to CCP as we head into Winter Expansion planning. I wasn't crazy about the gate gun proposal either in its specific form, but it all sounded like mechanics that were still being conceptualized and we've definitely been following up on lot of the stuff touched upon at the summit in our internal forum posts.

And here I thought being the managing editor of EVE Stratics meant that was your job.

Stressing that this is a BAD IDEA. Like another poster mentioned, all this will do is make for even less fights in lowsec.
A major part of lowsec dwellers are pirates/outlaws and engage under sentry fire a lot.

You're looking at 10-20 man gangs with maybe 1 Triage for reps as a very common theme in lowsec. With these changes these groups (a major part of lowsec pvp) would simply not engage on a gate, hotdrop/trap a neutral roaming gang because the incoming dps for even a 5-10 minute engagement would be too much.

I mean, what are the chances of 20 man bc gang agreeing to fight the Shadow Cartel Faction BS gang with Triage on a planet because SC can't engage them on a gate?

This would DESTROY lowsec.

Seriously, what the ****.

Arenas - Instanced PVP in EvE?
I hope you are joking.

Stressing that this is a BAD IDEA. Like another poster mentioned, all this will do is make for even less fights in lowsec.
A major part of lowsec dwellers are pirates/outlaws and engage under sentry fire a lot.

You're looking at 10-20 man gangs with maybe 1 Triage for reps as a very common theme in lowsec. With these changes these groups (a major part of lowsec pvp) would simply not engage on a gate, hotdrop/trap a neutral roaming gang because the incoming dps for even a 5-10 minute engagement would be too much.

I mean, what are the chances of 20 man bc gang agreeing to fight the Shadow Cartel Faction BS gang with Triage on a planet because SC can't engage them on a gate?

This would DESTROY lowsec.

Seriously, what the ****.

Completely agree with this. Thank you CCP for buffing the blob again. As it stands a triage carry is one of the only ways for a small group to fight a far larger group. Making gate guns a threat to the triage is simply ********. If this goes through its going to turn lowsec into the stupid blob fest that is 0.0 (or just make it even more empty)

Arenas - Instanced PVP in EvE?
I hope you are joking.

*snip*

>> Hot-drops are too easy - I think we're reaching a place where there's a broad consensus on this being not a cool outcome for everyone except the guy jumping in.

What prevents a far larger group from using a triage carrier as well? I can't even be sure whether the latter one wasn't more common.

It's lame, you can replace a carrier with whatever else and it still would make as much sense - that is, none. Falcons allow to fight outnumbered, Anciliary shield boosters allow to fight outnumbered, nano allows to fight outnumbered etc. We've heard all of this.

What really promotes small groups is emphasis on skill-demandant things, like current positioning/MWDing.

Let's say you have a 10 man Pirate BS gang fighting on a gate. They can't in a Triage because "LOL GATEGUNS U DEAD", They bring in 10 pantheon carriers. Actually the battleships would probably die still, so they would just bring 30 pantheon carriers.

As cool as carriers are, that would completely invalidate any other pirate engagement on a gate.

I'm so sad panda