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Mortimer Civeri
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.08 16:20:00 -
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RSDs, are a joke perpetrated on the Gallente, since the Nerfbat hit them a long time ago, and made ECM king of the E-War heap. RSDs, need a 50% boost in their effects, to bring them in line with ECM. As it stands RSDs have about 35% of their effectiveness from pre-Nerf. I'm not saying that a Nerf wasn't necessary, but it was carried to far.
With this boost, a single scripted RSD, will have a 45% effect rather than the current 30% with T1 modules on an un-bonused hull. This boost would parallel ECMs chance based effect, as a target has a chance to close range and reacquire targets, and/or target closer ranged targets. This also falls in line with ECM, as multiple jammers on a target ensure the target remains neutralized. So too with RSD, as multiple RSDs will ensure target neutralization.
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2010.10.09 00:05:00 -
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Not that I don't agree that RSDs kinda suck. But if the module got boosted then we would be back to every ship sporting them again (much like the days when ECM was on every ship). Perhaps the Celestis line getting a 50-75% boost to RSD effectiveness instead?
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Camdelma
Gallente THE DISC
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Posted - 2010.10.09 01:52:00 -
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Gallente E-war ships just need bonuses more in line with other races. At current, Gallente recons have a 5% bonus to damps, whereas falcons have a 30% bonus. Only a slight difference there.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.09 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Camdelma Gallente E-war ships just need bonuses more in line with other races. At current, Gallente recons have a 5% bonus to damps, whereas falcons have a 30% bonus. Only a slight difference there.
Arazu & Lachesis have "Recon Ships Skill Bonus: 20% bonus to warp disruptor range ...."
If you refer to the racial cruiser skill bonus on the gallente recons: "Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 5% bonus to Remote Sensor Dampener effectiveness per level"
Falcon "Caldari Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% Bonus to Medium Hybrid Damage Per Level (Falcon)/5% Bonus to Heavy and Heavy Assault Missile Launcher Rate of Fire per level(Rook) 10% Bonus to ECM Target Jammer capacitor use per level"
Looks pretty similar to me. Would you want to trade the extra 10% for the making the warp disruptors chance based?
For a pretty good usage of sensor damps in pvp i would recommend this video: Jalification III
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Mortimer Civeri
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.09 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
Arazu & Lachesis have "Recon Ships Skill Bonus: 20% bonus to warp disruptor range ...."
If you refer to the racial cruiser skill bonus on the gallente recons: "Gallente Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage and 5% bonus to Remote Sensor Dampener effectiveness per level"
Falcon "Caldari Cruiser Skill Bonus: 5% Bonus to Medium Hybrid Damage Per Level (Falcon)/5% Bonus to Heavy and Heavy Assault Missile Launcher Rate of Fire per level(Rook) 10% Bonus to ECM Target Jammer capacitor use per level"
That bonus never did make sense. All that does is turn the Arazu and Lachesis, into heavy T2 tacklers, not E-War platforms. A role better suted to the Thorax, Maller, and Stabber, and are fully insureable too.
Not boosting the RSDs, fine, I see your point, but boost the bonus for the ships using them.
How about this:
For the Celestis, change the RSD effectiveness per level to 10%.
For the Arazu and Lachesis; change the Gallente crusier bonus to 10% cap use per level for RSDs, and change the disrupter/scram bonus, to a 20% effectiveness of RSDs per level of Recon ships.
This then changes the Arazu and Lachesis to more closly follow the pattern set by the Falcon and Rook. Boosts RSDs effectiveness on the battlefield, and preserves the uselessnes of RSDs on unbonused hulls.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.09 16:38:00 -
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i am not sure, that you get many friends with ripping out the warp disruptor bonus.
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Mortimer Civeri
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.09 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever i am not sure, that you get many friends with ripping out the warp disruptor bonus.
See that's the thing. If you make it an insta locking long range warp disruptor, you sacrifice any viable tank what so ever, cramming sensor boosers in the mids. This would change it to a solid gang ship to have, as small fast tacklers can get close to targets without dieing in a hail of firey death. Heck, thinking about it, Blaster boats might be viable again with these changes.
I don't know maybe give the Rapier, the Minmatar recon ship, the disruptor bonus. They are all about manouver warfare and such. Ya want webs you use the Huggin , you want a disruptor, use a Rapier. vOv
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.09 17:59:00 -
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so instead of a two trick pony, you want an one trick pony with a limited/very situational use.
while atm you got a long range point and the situational use for the sensor damps. I get the feeling you hang on too much to the RSD before the nerf.
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Mortimer Civeri
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.09 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever so instead of a two trick pony, you want an one trick pony with a limited/very situational use.
while atm you got a long range point and the situational use for the sensor damps. I get the feeling you hang on too much to the RSD before the nerf.
Is the Falcon or Rook "limited"? Their bonuses are geared to only one trick. By your rationale you are saying that the Falcon and Rook are only usefull in certain "limited very situational uses". This is not the case as can be seen out in the universe, where the Falcon and Rook are solid platforms for solo and small gang work. As for situational use; yes, as RSDs stand at this moment, their use is best employed in only certain situations.
RSDs, are currently made of suck. If the hulls using them Have the bonuses to better employ them, then the "situations" for their use will broaden.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.09 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mortimer Civeri Is the Falcon or Rook "limited"? Their bonuses are geared to only one trick. By your rationale you are saying that the Falcon and Rook are only usefull in certain "limited very situational uses". This is not the case as can be seen out in the universe, where the Falcon and Rook are solid platforms for solo and small gang work. As for situational use; yes, as RSDs stand at this moment, their use is best employed in only certain situations.
1. caldari only have one form of ewar. every other race has 2. 2. ECM is pretty powerful as is. so they can still fullfil their role.
Quote: RSDs, are currently made of suck. If the hulls using them Have the bonuses to better employ them, then the "situations" for their use will broaden.
no. you just havent figured out when and how to use them. let me just say ... RSD are heavily used atm even on unbonused ships, especially as counter to kiting fleets or as counter to scorps/blackbirds.
watch the video.
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Mortimer Civeri
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.09 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
1. caldari only have one form of ewar. every other race has 2.
Wrong, Ammar only have Tracking Disruptors, Minmatar have Target painters, and Gallente have just RSDs. Look at the base E-War crusier hulls 'O mighty forum warrior.
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2. ECM is pretty powerful as is. so they can still fullfil their role.
Yes. Yes it is, and furthermore it is so powerful that nothing else comes close to it's effectivenss. Thank you for making my point.
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Quote: RSDs, are currently made of suck. If the hulls using them Have the bonuses to better employ them, then the "situations" for their use will broaden.
no. you just havent figured out when and how to use them. let me just say ... RSD are heavily used atm even on unbonused ships, especially as counter to kiting fleets or as counter to scorps/blackbirds.
watch the video.
I'm not going to download a Torrent. I haven't caught a virus yet and I'm not about to.
I'm sure it's a wonderful video showing everyone the "limited situations" where RSDs are "usefull". Let me guess, he uses all three RSDs on one target(the only way RSDs can be usefull) You do that with a Falcon or a Rook you got one Falcon/Rook pilot in a pod.
The Arazu and Lachesis are primarily used for long tackles not RSDing targets, anyone who puts a RSD on a ship is doing it because they don't know any better, or for comedy.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.09 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: darius mclever on 09/10/2010 19:59:40
Originally by: Mortimer Civeri
Originally by: darius mclever
1. caldari only have one form of ewar. every other race has 2.
Wrong, Ammar only have Tracking Disruptors, Minmatar have Target painters, and Gallente have just RSDs. Look at the base E-War crusier hulls 'O mighty forum warrior.
taking the electronic attack frigates and recons: 1. minmatar have target painting and webbing bonuses 2. gallente have rsd and warp disruption bonuses 3. amarr have cap warfare and tracking disruption bonuses 4. caldari have ECM.
you running out of arguments already or why the personal attacks?
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Mortimer Civeri
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.09 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever taking the electronic attack frigates and recons: 1. minmatar have target painting "gee that sucks, give them something else so they don't suck" and webbing bonuses 2. gallente have rsd "gee that sucks too give them something else so they don't suck" and warp disruption bonuses 3. amarr have tracking disruption "That's terrible too give them something else so they dont suck" and cap warfare bonuses 4. caldari have ECM.
you running out of arguments already or why the personal attacks?
Fixed that for you.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.09 20:12:00 -
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lol. oh well ... keep disqualifying yourself more please :)
I will get me some popcorn.
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Mortimer Civeri
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.09 20:24:00 -
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So you are admiting that every other form of E-War sucks in comparison, that CCP had to add two forms to every race other than Caldari? Please further my case more good sir.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.10.09 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mortimer Civeri So you are admiting that every other form of E-War sucks in comparison, that CCP had to add two forms to every race other than Caldari? Please further my case more good sir.
what i am saying is that you have no clue what you are talking about. you are as good as the guy with the "nerf drakes" thread.
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Mortimer Civeri
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.10.09 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: darius mclever
Originally by: Mortimer Civeri So you are admiting that every other form of E-War sucks in comparison, that CCP had to add two forms to every race other than Caldari? Please further my case more good sir.
What I am saying is that I have no clue what I am talking about. I'm as good as the guy with the "nerf drakes" thread.
I try to put hulls that use RSD on a par with ECM hulls, you tell me I'll be turning them into one trick ponies, JUST LIKE THE FALCON AND ROOK.
I tell you to look at the T1 hulls effectiveness, and you tell me that the T2 hulls are just fine
You counter that Every race has two forms of E-war, except the Caldari. I counter that, with every other races E-war sucks in comparison. To which you retort with personal attacks on my intelligence.
Keep digging, you'll eventually get out of that hole.
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.10.10 03:27:00 -
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Edited by: King Rothgar on 10/10/2010 03:29:31 The bonus to them should be increased to 10% per level on the arazu/lachesis. This would bring them inline with the falcon/rook and largely correct their underwhelming performance. The pilgrim, curse, rapier and huggin should also have their t1 EW (painting and tracking disruption) bonus doubled. For falcon/rook pilots that are about to scream, I'd like to point out the that blackbird has a 15% strength bonus per level, the falcon/rook get 30% per level and it only counts as one bonus, not two. If you get a double strength bonus on your t2 hulls with it only counted as a single bonus, then so should everyone else.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2010.10.10 10:27:00 -
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The simplest boost to RSDs would be to make signal distortion amps modify other forms of e-war rather than just ECM.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.10.10 12:45:00 -
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RSDs are already very very powerful.
The ability to turn off any long range ship and forcing it to get up close to do anything is fairly god damm impressive particularity as it has zero chance of failure and is hard to counter effectively.
If it was significantly more powerful it would basically become 2 modules and you lock one enemy ship out of the battle with no chance of failure which would be overpowered. -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it. Drenzul (My normal internet tag) |
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