costs go down, mining does down, still takes as long to buy some thing. from a miners pov the value of minerals means nothing.

excellent debate skills, considering running for the US Senate?

there's a difference between fun and enjoyable. i find mining enjoyable but not fun.

it doesn't add an element of planning at all, like i said earlier it just makes me warp in and out 1 more time. that's just a waste of my time.
it doesn't reward fleets for being disciplined and organised, it just pisses off haulers because they have more crap to do. you don't gain a single goddamn thing with this new system. if we got a bigger bonus on crystal multipliers etc i'd put up with it and say "well the crystal situation is **** but at least we're getting a bonus for putting up with this bollocks"

none of it is fun, interesting or better. you're pissing off the haulers by giving them extra and pointless work, and having to warp in and out of a belt because i can't carry enough crystals just wastes my time.

In my experience it's cost goes down, miner profits drop, miners whine for another yield buff on the forums.

I find it kind of funny.

Then use a mack which only needs 2/3 of the crystals, or better yet, a skiff

guess i haven't been lurking the forums long enough to see that. when minerals were lower prices of things i were buying were proportionally lower so i haven't benefited from the price of minerals rising, to be honest.

i find mining enjoyable but not fun.

it doesn't add an element of planning at all

it doesn't reward fleets for being disciplined and organised

none of it is fun, interesting or better. you're pissing off the haulers by giving them extra and pointless work

and having to warp in and out of a belt because i can't carry enough crystals just wastes my time.

and when the skiff or mack gets the yield of a hulk, i will. not that your comment is in any way related to the conversation.

It gives you more options and offers more decisions GGv that is more fun, interesting, and better in and of itself.

It also adds an element of planning and task-managing. It also increases the rewards of socialising and running disciplined fleets. It gives you stuff to do while the lasers cycle, reducing that supposed tedium. All of it fun, interesting, and better.

I find you weird if those two don't overlap for you.

Well, good. Then there's no problem. You don't have to think about what to bring, so the lack of cargo doesn't particularly affect you. Meanwhile, for those who do plan, they reap the benefits of a more efficient op.

GG*aside from letting those fleets that are disciplined and organised minimise the amount of work required and maximise the amount of ore pulled from the belt. If they're organised enough, the crystals become a complete non-issue.

Like I said, it benefits the disciplined fleet. They'll feel that it's neither extra nor pointless work GGv it's just yet another thing they can do to benefit the op.

Seeing as how you have to warp in and out of the belt anyway, no time is wasted.

Considering you are trying to force the hulk to overlap into another ships role by lamenting its cargo limitations instead of using the other ship makes it perfectly relevant.

perhaps, i have fun doing more active things like going out with my friends. however i enjoy mining because i can just sit and put some music on, and chill out. y'know?

mining crystals shouldn't be an issue to begin with; ammo isn't an issue for mission runners so why should it be for miners?

they will feel it's extra and pointless work when they aren't gaining anything from it. how would you feel if your boss said you also have to work weekends for no extra pay? that's effectively what the crystal situation is, that's why nobody likes it.

mining crystals shouldn't be an issue to begin with; ammo isn't an issue for mission runners so why should it be for miners?

they will feel it's extra and pointless work when they aren't gaining anything from it. how would you feel if your boss said you also have to work weekends for no extra pay? that's effectively what the crystal situation is, that's why nobody likes it.

mining isn't fun to begin with,

Bull. A L4 mission in a tengu can go through upwards of 7k heavy missiles, not to mention that you need different damage types to do "optimal" damage to different rats.

I don't even need 7k missiles to do a L4 in a Drake.
I need about 200 - 300 projectiles in an arty Maelstrom, that is about 2 reloads.

Bull. A L4 mission in a tengu can go through upwards of 7k heavy missiles, not to mention that you need different damage types to do "optimal" damage to different rats.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say, if you aren't having fun doing something "in a game", then maybe you are doing it wrong. Maybe you should hire people to mine for you, people who actually enjoy it.

I wonder why you were crying so hard about the new inventory UI.

It brings the same elements of task managing. It imposes you the same stupid ass menial tasks. It forced you to be disciplined. It gives you stuff to do while you are docked, reducing the supposed tedium.

perhaps, i have fun doing more active things like going out with my friends. however i enjoy mining because i can just sit and put some music on, and chill out. y'know?

mining crystals shouldn't be an issue to begin with; ammo isn't an issue for mission runners so why should it be for miners?

they will feel it's extra and pointless work when they aren't gaining anything from it. how would you feel if your boss said you also have to work weekends for no extra pay? that's effectively what the crystal situation is

Tengus refire so fast that if the rat is >30km away you'll waste some volleys if you don't micro manage your missiles

how am i? i simply want my hulk to be able to hold the same amount of crystals as every other ship that uses 3 strip miners.

It brings the same elements of task managing. It imposes you the same stupid ass menial tasks. It forced you to be disciplined. It gives yNot really, no. You just have to plan your work a bit better.

Didn't the covetor and the hulk have the same cargo hold size? Or is there some other ship I'm missing here?

Didn't the covetor and the hulk have the same cargo hold size? Or is there some other ship I'm missing here?

His imaginary superhulk.

Ungankable, infinite cargo hold, and a device that magically gets him high mineral prices despite flooding the market.

however due to this inconsistency and one other inconsistency i have a feeling that the hulk will have a 500m3 cargo bay tomorrow and we can all stop arguing about this.

good news; nobody likes the new system. doesn't matter if it's better or not in your mind. no miner has responded positively.

Not really, no. It doesn't add any task managing GGv it just makes the same tasks slower. It doesn't impose any menial tasks GGv it just makes the same tasks slower. It doesn't force any kind of discipline. It doesn't give you anything to do while dock that you weren't doing already GGv it just makes it slower.

]Ammo most certainly becomes an issue for mission runners if they try to run them for hours on end. Fortunately, they have this built-in requirement to go back to station and refit/rearm every now and then, which means that the additional ammo needs take no additional time. This holds true for miners as well, which is why it shouldn't add any work for them if they just thought about what they're doing a bitGG* which will undoubtedly be a shock and confusing new experience.

plan your work better all you want; your boss is still expecting you in at 9am on saturday. no, you're still not getting paid for it.

sadly when ccp halved the crystal size they also strangely reduced the hulk's cargo bay.

I must be a nobody