The reason I'm not giving stats is because I want people to actually go onto the test server and try the changes out rather than just theorycrafting

And every page afterward: theorycrafting.

Good news: with the new system, you will have that and much, much more. You are even given a reason to actually actively play the game and (gasp!) interact with other people.

There is literally zero downsides. Well, aside from the standard brainless miner response of adding more bots.

good news; nobody likes the new system.

So long as you are aware of and willing to deal with the consequences for violating the EULA. No one else gets to wish all their tedium and planning away by screaming a bot could do it, why should miners?

This is amazing.

CCP buff AFK mining, and you still cry.

This is amazing-acompletely unsurprising.

CCP buff AFK mining, and you still cry.

It's hard to find non mining tasks that can beat mining tedium, it's why bots are almost all mining oriented (then rat / hauler mission oriented, finally few are trading oriented).

Well, aside from the standard brainless miner response of adding more bots.

Too bad that those news are incorrect.

It's the normal miner state of being.

Shouldn't it be a bit uplifting, then, that you are given things to do while you mine? You know, such as co-ordinating logistics and planning for the next moveGG*

It's the normal miner state of being.

You too should try mining for 1-2 months

Yeah "logistics". You should not even pair "logistics" and some dumb crystals flipping possibly with a further net loss forcing somebody playing caddy.

you're right, it's not good news when a game is made less enjoyable regardless of all the other facts. mining isn't exactly enthralling to begin with. why make it even less enjoyable?

How is it being made less enjoyable? I can only think of one way, and I can't really say it without being incredibly rudeGG*

It's hard to find non mining tasks that can beat mining tedium, it's why bots are almost all mining oriented (then rat / hauler mission oriented, finally few are trading oriented).

mining isn't fun to begin with, having to have another account giving me things i didn't need it to give me before now is in no way making it interesting and just adding an unwanted, unneeded and unnecessary activity i have to do in order to mine.

how does this change make mining more fun, interesting, better, or anything positive?

Use a mack. It's made for what you currently want. At this point you are arguing that the group ship is not good solo which means that yes, they DID do it right.

The points, you are missing all of them.

The highest yield miner in game has to have a competitive yield advantage (duh!).
The more you make achieving that yield cumbersome, the more they have to overbuff that ship to make it appetible more than the zero drawbacks alternatives.

Hulk should have the least "stops" and micromanagement so its performance is fully used. The other ships should have that factors to slow them down instead.

no it isn't. a mackinaw isn't made for maximising yield.

I feel obligated to point out that the more all miners overbuff their ship to get a "yield advantage" the less valuable the mining profession becomes because you flood the market with lots of mins. I love the free market!

So now your complaint is that you can't have solo and max yield, in which case yes, they still did it right. There is no problem with that.

mining isn't fun to begin with

how does this change make mining more fun, interesting, better, or anything positive?

it's irrelevant, if you're not maxing your yield gimping your raw isk/hour regardless of what minerals cost on the market.

Until you realize every single miner thinks exactly this way. Your individual greed is collectively screwing over your entire profession.

i'm not arguing with you because you're wrong.

you don't even understand the topic of discussion. stop posting.

i'm not arguing with you because you're wrong.

Then why are you doing it with even one account? (Oh, and no, you don't need a second one.)

It gives you more options and offers more decisions GGv that is more fun, interesting, and better in and of itself.

It also adds an element of planning and task-managing. It also increases the rewards of socialising and running disciplined fleets. It gives you stuff to do while the lasers cycle, reducing that supposed tedium. All of it fun, interesting, and better.

Not really, no. It's basic economics.

The higher you push your yield, the less valuable it becomes. Your only hope is that miners in general are opting for something else. So more likely, you're not arguing with him because you can't find any faults with the reasoning.

I feel obligated to point out that the more all miners overbuff their ship to get a "yield advantage" the less valuable the mining profession becomes because you flood the market with lots of mins. I love the free market!