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Kozore
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Posted - 2010.09.25 05:03:00 -
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I am a player from like 2 years ago and I have decided to return lol. I made a trial while waiting for my old account information so I could reget the basics down.
I have no idea what my skills are but I am going for a Hulk.
Does anyone have any tips for me?
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.25 05:10:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 25/09/2010 05:14:27
Originally by: Kozore I have no idea what my skills are but I am going for a Hulk. Does anyone have any tips for me?
Yes, whatever you choose to do, do not choose mining. Just about anything else except mining. In other words, don't go for a Hulk. The only mildly decent reason to go for a Hulk is if you plan to migrate into a 0.0-space-holding alliance or a wormhole-dwelling corp and mine there in larger mining ops. Which I suppose you won't do. So don't even think about mining unless you want to quit soon all over again.
There are countless* ways to make ISK in EVE (clicky link), and mining is probably the WORST of them all in highsec space.
* countless meaning there are at least 12 main categories now (those listed in the link, plus PI, which is relatively new), and quite a few of them have several other subcategories, and so on and so forth... oh, yeah, and hybrid ingame+outofgame activity types were not even listed in there at all
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.25 05:46:00 -
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I can't imagine a lower income than mining at the moment. You can, quite literally, make more isk begging in a semi-populated public channel on a brand new alt. A fresh hulk is going to net sub-level2-mission income, the kind of stuff you can manage in a well-fit destroyer or t1 cruiser. If missions aren't your thing there are a lot of other avenues to explore, so I definitely second Akitas motion: stay the hell away from mining.
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Elysarian
Minmatar Elysarian Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.25 07:41:00 -
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I agree with the "stay away from mining" thing...
I'm fully skilled up as a hi-sec Hulk pilot and the only time I get the old girl out of mothballs is to occasionally mine mission deadspace 'roid fields.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2010.09.25 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kozore
I have no idea what my skills are but I am going for a Hulk.
You will compete with macros. Do you think you can beat them?
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Helmslianna
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Posted - 2010.09.25 11:16:00 -
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Not quite sure why you said don't mine period, but then your linked post has the first thing as Main ways to make ISK, 1. Mining...
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.25 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Orange Lagomorph on 25/09/2010 11:59:25
Originally by: Helmslianna Not quite sure why you said don't mine period, but then your linked post has the first thing as Main ways to make ISK, 1. Mining...
Akita's guide, you might notice, was first written in 2008.
With all-Level V skills, the most efficient Hulk fit w/ T2 mining a drones, a Highwall HX-2 implant, a Michi's Mining Augmentor implant, plus gang, Mining Foreman V and those other misc. bonuses, you'll AT BEST be making 15m ISK per hour in highsec. You can make that amount running and salvaging L4 missions in a Drake with named launchers (very slowly), which takes far less training time than pimping out a Hulk, and is at least marginally less boring than mining.
I don't know if highsec mining will ever stop sucking. Probably not; EVE mining is possibly the easiest thing in the world to macro, since virtually the entire game can be played by selecting items from various lists, and all you have to do is point a laser at an asteroid to mine.
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Kozore
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Posted - 2010.09.25 15:51:00 -
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Clearly you guys thinking I shouldn't mine lol.
It is just something that I enjoy. Last time I played I got to a tanking Hyperion. Still have it. But I don't have a corp right now and while I will get one eventually I just want to relearn the game. I know you guys think its a waste but I really want to try for it.
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Irae Ragwan
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Posted - 2010.09.25 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kozore Clearly you guys thinking I shouldn't mine lol.
It is just something that I enjoy. Last time I played I got to a tanking Hyperion. Still have it. But I don't have a corp right now and while I will get one eventually I just want to relearn the game. I know you guys think its a waste but I really want to try for it.
We don't think it's a waste.
We know it's a waste.
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.25 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Orange Lagomorph on 25/09/2010 17:29:42
Originally by: Kozore Clearly you guys thinking I shouldn't mine lol.
It is just something that I enjoy. Last time I played I got to a tanking Hyperion. Still have it. But I don't have a corp right now and while I will get one eventually I just want to relearn the game. I know you guys think its a waste but I really want to try for it.
If you really want to do it, go ahead.
But if you're the kind of guy who will examine your profits, think "that's a *****y profit," then get ****ed off and quit the game, it might be better not to.
Now, I'll say this: If you can survive three to five months of terrible highsec mining while honing your skills, then there are a fair number of respectable nullsec corporations who will probably let you join. At THAT point, you can turn quite a respectable profit, as much as or more than ratting IIRC. You'll have to contribute a fair amount to your corporation, but even turning over half or more of your minerals, you'll still be making 2-3x more than in highsec ù plus you'll have more opportunities going forward.
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Kozore
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Posted - 2010.09.25 19:39:00 -
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I have been giving it quite a bit of thought since seeing your guys posts. I do want to join a corp and yes mine with them or whatever. But I am changing tactics. I will make an alt and get him the basics of the Covetor or whatever and afk mine and train skills to increases his usefulness. But my main I guess...Idk for now I will train all the learning skills I can then who knows. Probably train for missions but idk. I will not make this guy a miner more so then he already is.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.09.25 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 25/09/2010 19:45:12
Originally by: Helmslianna Not quite sure why you said don't mine period, but then your linked post has the first thing as Main ways to make ISK, 1. Mining...
It's *A* way to make ISK. It's one of the two things you can do immediately after you created your character, and there was (no idea if there still is) the object of one of the first tutorials. It's probably the easiest to get into and one of the least risk-carrying activities that can make you ISK.
But it's also one of, if not THE most boring one of them all, and right now it's also the worst-paying one, at least in highsec. And the reason it's so low-paying is precisely because it's so easy and boring - anybody can do it on many accounts at the same time, it takes very little time to reach close to max yield, so there's an overabundance of high-grade miners pushing the mineral prices down hard, and with the insurance exchange rate floor being dropped lower than ever, that's the only direction mineral prices go, down.
That may change again in the future, but right now, I would consider mining as overall the worst activity you could preoccupy yourself with.
Originally by: Kozore Clearly you guys thinking I shouldn't mine lol. It is just something that I enjoy. Last time I played I got to a tanking Hyperion. Still have it. But I don't have a corp right now and while I will get one eventually I just want to relearn the game. I know you guys think its a waste but I really want to try for it.
Well, if you for some inscrutable reason actually enjoy mining and you really don't mind the tiny income for a lot of boring work, then sure, go right ahead, mine to your heart's content. But if after a few weeks or months of mostly mining you start telling yourself that working up the ISK to do anything else is such a drag, or after you get your Hulk suicide-ganked in the next Hulkageddon edition with next to nothing put on the side to recover, instead of giving up on the game, remember the time we told you mining is not a very good idea right now.
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr Inadeptus Mechanicus
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Posted - 2010.09.25 19:53:00 -
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Dont listen to the anti mining group.
Mining is perfect for when you want to make isk but dont have time, is working or doing homework.
Get a hulk and start, check it every five min to drop stuff in cans. When the cans are full haul it to station. Repeat.
Further expand your isk with PI which you check once a day. ________________________________________________ Tau - Yeah we suck in close combat. To bad you will never get there. For the greater good!!
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Orange Lagomorph
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Posted - 2010.09.25 20:32:00 -
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Great idea! Interrupt your studying every five minutes. That's sure to improve information retention.
If you're going to do that, put Ice Harvester IIs, Ice Harvester Upgrade IIs, and cargo rigs on a Hulk. Mine ice, then jetcan once every fifteen minutes or so. 75% of the profit for 33% of the effort.
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr Inadeptus Mechanicus
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Posted - 2010.09.25 20:40:00 -
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Not like you need to focus. you drag ore and then back to the book. You can do it between paragraphs easily. ________________________________________________ Tau - Yeah we suck in close combat. To bad you will never get there. For the greater good!!
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2010.09.28 12:21:00 -
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Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Not like you need to focus. you drag ore and then back to the book. You can do it between paragraphs easily.
Yes, you can, but after an hour's 'learning' your actual education will hardly have advanced at all, compared to if you concentrated for the hour.
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Jenny Hawk
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.09.28 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Lagomorph Great idea! Interrupt your studying every five minutes. That's sure to improve information retention.
If you're going to do that, put Ice Harvester IIs, Ice Harvester Upgrade IIs, and cargo rigs on a Hulk. Mine ice, then jetcan once every fifteen minutes or so. 75% of the profit for 33% of the effort.
Well a Hulk has a ~15 minute cycle so that's just 4 times an hour. It's definitely not the most ISK/hour but definitely the most isk/second actually spent.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.09.29 12:32:00 -
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My main is miner/missionrunner.
Months ago i was happily mining along, semi afk. Than my income drops by lets say 30% till now, and mineral prices are still falling. Trit and Pye are worth next to nothing. Everybody and his mother is going for Plagio/Kernite now, and i¦m awaiting to plummet Mex as well soon.
Now i¦m happily doing L4¦s in my sentry domi. Sometimes i salvage, sometimes i don¦t. But i can tell you that even doing L3¦s "outmines" every "belt activity".
Not that i consider it wrong that i¦ve done Exhumers 5, but it won¦t bring you anywhere mining, except when mining in save 0.0 for high ends, or in WH¦s.
All i can say is, LISTEN TO AKITA T. Maybe sometime mining in highsec will be worth again, but it¦s not now.
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Alexi Blue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.09.29 15:49:00 -
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I say mine if that's something you enjoy doing. However, if you are mining to make money - there are better ways. ---
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