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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2010.09.22 22:04:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/iNgameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1204416
Per the above thread and based on comments made by Obsidian Hawk I wish to request an update as to where this is going.
While I realize rockets and Sansha PVE is updated content and a long-awaited fix for a couple of frig-class vessels....ooops left out that absolutely vital to the game salvaging vessel...ain't it about time the non-capital "endgame" (for lack of a better term) ships were finally sorted out?
Plenty of attention and care spent on the supercaps and capitals...what about a pre-nerfed ship that is highly specialized and amazingly skill intensive such as the BOBS?
Might it be possible to sneak in a bit of fair and reasonable love for the thing sooner rather than later? Seriously....even eliminating the need for a stupid mandatory hauler to fuel the portal for a few bombers and recons would work when a friggin Titan does not need a freighter load of goo to jump hundreds of massy BS through .
Pretty please? Or at least some sort of update on where we are? God forbid I ask for a timeframe lol.
Cheers
Bone
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2010.09.23 15:08:00 -
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Black Ops improvements are not on the list of CSM items CCP has indicated they are working on, at least for the Winter Expansion.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2010.09.23 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Black Ops improvements are not on the list of CSM items CCP has indicated they are working on, at least for the Winter Expansion.
Well thanks for the feedback.
And thanks for nothing CCP.
Long live the Sansha invasion and other PVE-related stuff in a PvP-centric game I guess .
Quite disappointing.
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Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2010.09.23 22:23:00 -
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FYI - I'm a blackops enthusiast, and I agree that they need work. Unfortunately, there are more urgent things :/
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2010.09.24 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal FYI - I'm a blackops enthusiast, and I agree that they need work. Unfortunately, there are more urgent things :/
The initial response was fine despite being disappointing.
Your response is annoying and pointless. Do you really feel that Sansha capitals ships are more urgent?
Go away.
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.09.24 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal FYI - I'm a blackops enthusiast, and I agree that they need work. Unfortunately, there are more urgent things :/
The initial response was fine despite being disappointing.
Your response is annoying and pointless. Do you really feel that Sansha capitals ships are more urgent?
Go away.
CSM did not request Sansha capitals and argued strongly against a new PVE feature at the summit (requesting that CCP spend more time on fixing various things).
Everything CSM requested from CCP is on the Wiki.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2010.09.24 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze stuff
Yeah thats fine TD. I am fully capable of reading...and was quite satisifed if not thrilled with the update.
Dierdra doing some "postin for the sake of postin" added nothing and by suggesting the "urgent things" were perhaps in he/she/its hands to influence annoyed the **** out of me.
Anyway....never mind. No point beating head against CCP wall of goof when 90+ thread of "commitment to excellence" and various other issues are ignored in favor of PVE content in a PvP-centric game.
Oh wait...new ship class...salvager. Yeah. Whatever.
All that artist time, coding time, dev time, test time (one hopes) devoted to some crappy PVE ship that already has a cheap useful counterpart ingame (i.e. dessies...since those are ignored too lol) as opposed to the short amount of time and resources required to simply reduce the amount of fuel consumed by the BOBS portal so it doesn't require a hauler? And maybe a slight increase in jump range?
Seriously....who do CCP think they are fooling here?
Bleah. Pointless rant over. Enjoy your new PVE content.
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Mynxee
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Posted - 2010.09.24 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone Anyway....never mind. No point beating head against CCP wall of goof when 90+ thread of "commitment to excellence" and various other issues are ignored in favor of PVE content in a PvP-centric game.
If it's any consolation, I know how you feel. Pretty much there, myself. I've had that Black Ops thread bookmarked and have been watching it for a long time, trying to decide best next move as regards it. Yeah, sure, Black Ops got a tiny bit of love a long time ago (presumably in response to this CSM issue) but I'm with you that they need a bit more love in order to be able to justify their cost and be most effective.
Thanks for pushing this issue forward into the attention sphere again. With everything that is going on + RL, it's easy for things to slip through the cracks. After I get my Making Low Sec Matter project kick-off stuff done this weekend, I'll spend some time reviewing that thread and talk with other CSMs about possible next steps to get some attention on Black Ops again.
Alas, I see you're no longer in VETO. Man, I hardly got to know ya.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2010.09.24 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mynxee
Alas, I see you're no longer in VETO. Man, I hardly got to know ya.
Low sec is dire. Wormholes on the other hand are what make EvE unpredictable, enjoyable, and fun.
But the point of this particular thread was simply to highlight a long ignored issue dealing with what can be described as "end-game" content for those pewpew pilots that cordially detest capital proliferation and are more interested in enhancing the abilities of small groups to play on an equal footing where skill>blob.
And the utter stupidity of having a ship as skill intensive as a BOBS requiring a damned hauler alt to fuel the covert bridge when a Titan can cheerfully bridge hundreds of blobby F1-F8 headrolling BS across rather large distances by comparison without similar logistic support is just wrong...and easily/quickly fixed if CCP would make the effort to do so.
CCP has dropped the ball. End of.
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Mynxee
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Posted - 2010.09.24 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone Low sec is dire. Wormholes on the other hand are what make EvE unpredictable, enjoyable, and fun. ... Haha congrats on lifting "oldest veto pilot" by a country mile
Yeah, must admit, wormholes are my favorite feature of EVE.
Ha as for "oldest by a country mile"...that's your fault. It was only a hop, skip, and a jump before you left, mister.
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Mocam
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Posted - 2010.09.24 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Originally by: TeaDaze stuff
Dierdra doing some "postin for the sake of postin" added nothing and by suggesting the "urgent things" were perhaps in he/she/its hands to influence annoyed the **** out of me.
Actually there's a lot that wasn't said by Dierdra that would probably change your mind a bit (and I'll probably catch some crap for posting about it) but without that 'insider' info, their post does read a bit like "posting to post"...
Dierdra is a Director of the 'blob noob corp' Eve Uni. Most members last about 2-7 months then move on into player corporations across all aspects of EVE game play. Some, like me, last a year or more and have some decent skills. We help out with various things but there are few classes available for characters our "age"/SP level.
There are roughly a hundred of us "yearling" types around (like 1500 members or so total -- it fluctuates a bit -- so we're a "fraction" of the corporation)...
'The fan' didn't mention that about 2 months ago they started bringing in guest lecturers on black ops hot-drops and have been working at arranging practice runs for those of us with the skills to do these things. Many didn't/don't have the skills for this so adjusted their training plans "to catch the next class". The topic sparked a lot of interest by many of us more senior types.
The community support for this issue is thin. You're ticked at the priority being towards 'more popular' fixes but backing more popular fixes is what a CSM is supposed to do -- irrespective of their own wants. Dierdra is working on getting more players active with this area which, in turn, will increase support for the issue, which can/will raise it's priority. Not as a CSM but as a player/Director of a corporation, interacting with other players in-game.
As I said at the start, I'll probably catch some flack for talking about this in a public forum but I figured you should get a bit more info before assessing them as just 'posting to post' -- they've been working on this issue for months and will be a few more months helping train on the tactics associated with the use of black ops ships while convincing others of their potential.
PS: If you think this is 'sucking up' you don't know the uni. I'll be lucky not to end up in 1 officer's corpse collection for talking out of turn like this. (one has 2 full station containers of corpses -- we don't ask why nor what he does with all those corpses... Incarna might have a macabre aspect to it.)
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.29 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze CSM did not request Sansha capitals and argued strongly against a new PVE feature at the summit (requesting that CCP spend more time on fixing various things).
Everything CSM requested from CCP is on the Wiki.
The underlined part proves that CSM is a pile of junk. Anyone I know was pleased and excited about the upcoming incursions. You obviously don't represent the players of Eve anymore. Since Ankhe left this sad bunch, you became totally useless. I hope CCP removes the CSM soon and uses the money for more meaningful things, such as the designing of a second beer ship for Oveur.
@Topic: I agree, the black ops desperately need an improvement. My favourite suggestion is a star map navigation without cynos and the need of cyno alts (chose destination on the star map and the ship will land at a random point in that system (or next to the sun)).
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2010.09.29 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Ankhe
Get the flying **** out of here. Seriously. Anke did not leave....it was REMOVED due to NDA violations and being a general useless ****.
And take your ridiculous BOBS idea elsewhere as well.
re: somewhat coherent EvE-Uni dude commentary.....while I respect EvE-Uni and have often steered lost pilots to uni doors....just leave this one alone eh? White-knighting where its not needed and inappropriate just gets you flamed.
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.09.29 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: TeaDaze CSM did not request Sansha capitals and argued strongly against a new PVE feature at the summit (requesting that CCP spend more time on fixing various things).
Everything CSM requested from CCP is on the Wiki.
The underlined part proves that CSM is a pile of junk. Anyone I know was pleased and excited about the upcoming incursions. You obviously don't represent the players of Eve anymore. Since Ankhe left this sad bunch, you became totally useless. I hope CCP removes the CSM soon and uses the money for more meaningful things, such as the designing of a second beer ship for Oveur.
I disagree totally and if you'll read on I will explain.
The CSM have raised a huge amount of player requested changes to CCP over the last 2 years. Some are PVE, some are PVP, others are quality of life.
So when we heard that CCP had already committed to producing yet another new game mechanic instead of fixing the existing but broken ones we had a duty to stand up for what the players had requested. This isn't a PVE vs PVP issue, even Ankh was arguing for dev time to be spent on improving the existing mechanics instead of creating new ones. The overall mood was that CCP have a history of implementing half finished new shiny content which is never completed and is left to rot (Epic arcs, FW, cosmos, new sov etc).
That isn't to say that the feature will not be good, just that the CSM were united in pushing for the existing mechanics to be fixed as requested by the players.
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba @Topic: I agree, the black ops desperately need an improvement. My favourite suggestion is a star map navigation without cynos and the need of cyno alts (chose destination on the star map and the ship will land at a random point in that system (or next to the sun)).
I don't like this idea at all, having to sneak a covert cyno fitted ship into the destination system is about the only real limitation on bridging right now.
Yes they are short range which could be looked at (but can be worked around by bridging to a closer staging system) and the BS themselves could do with a bit more HP but we are now seeing people frontlining remote rep black ops groups.
I would quite like to see all blockade runners gain a second highslot and the ability to fit a covert cyno which would enhance their use as a fuel tender. Also allowing people to drop fuel into (but not be able to take from) the black ops fuel bay would be good.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2010.09.29 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 29/09/2010 13:32:06
Originally by: TeaDaze
I would quite like to see all blockade runners gain a second highslot and the ability to fit a covert cyno which would enhance their use as a fuel tender. Also allowing people to drop fuel into (but not be able to take from) the black ops fuel bay would be good.
I am starting to wish I had never started this thread because of the sheer amount of annoyance generated. Mr Daze....by your logic a Titan should be tethered to a ****ing freighter to do what it does .
Fuel tenders. Jesus ***** ****ing christ.
You know...its a good thing that CCP pretty much ignores lolCSM suggestions and the general public at large
**edit**While I really enjoy EvE....and still pay via sub to support the devs....just want you dudes at CCP to be aware that I will NOT be remotely interested in emo-douche vampires online. Just thought I'd mention that in case you were totally losing focus and interest in EvE.....sometimes the bird in hand is better than the two in the bush you will never catch eh?
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.09.29 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone I am starting to wish I had never started this thread because of the sheer amount of annoyance generated. Mr Daze....by your logic a Titan should be tethered to a ****ing freighter to do what it does .
I'm not comparing Titans to Black ops, but even so a Titan does need other ships to fuel it up at some point, but it does have a far larger fuel bay
For various reasons CCP decided the BO bridge should use fuel and if you want to go roaming with a BO gang you have to make allowances for that. If you can make a case for that restriction to be removed without making them OP then feel free to make it, I'm happy to discuss BO ships because I am one of those supposedly rare people who fly them lots.
My suggestion above assumes that fuel will remain a requirement and that the fuel bay will never be big enough for some gangs.
I'm certainly not happy that I need an industrial char following the gang around, but it does seem fair considering I can light a covert cyno and bridge into any 0.0 or lowsec system I like without being detected or cyno jammed.
As I said, happy to discuss various ideas and there are a couple of proposals in the backlog so it should get addressed at some point...
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Shobon Welp
GoonFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2010.09.30 06:40:00 -
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Somebody sold you a Bitter Vet Status Symbol and told you it was a 'specialised' 'endgame' ship.
Sorry for your loss.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2010.09.30 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shobon Welp Somebody sold you a Bitter Vet Status Symbol and told you it was a 'specialised' 'endgame' ship.
Sorry for your loss.
I probably deserved that barb
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2010.10.01 07:09:00 -
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Hmmm...after this latest lolpatch attempt perhaps BOPS accidently got fixed somehow by the random baboon mashing keys overlooked by CSM and the awesome test crew aaaaaiiiite?
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Dlardrageth
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.03 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone Hmmm...after this latest lolpatch attempt perhaps BOPS accidently got fixed somehow by the random baboon mashing keys overlooked by CSM and the awesome test crew aaaaaiiiite?
Keep on hoping...
Chances for such are about as high as CCP actually making a useful tweak to nullsec sov mechanics.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2010.10.06 08:23:00 -
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Oh look...in addition to the most ridiculous patch issued since the boot.ini fiasco....CCP in a positive move is looking to release....
dum dum te dum (drumroll)
NEW FACES
Because looking good in a broken game is where its at. Go CCP and CSM. Yeah.
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2010.10.06 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Darek Castigatus on 06/10/2010 14:46:25
Originally by: RuleoftheBone Oh look...in addition to the most ridiculous patch issued since the boot.ini fiasco....CCP in a positive move is looking to release....
dum dum te dum (drumroll)
NEW FACES
Because looking good in a broken game is where its at. Go CCP and CSM. Yeah.
Yes because its totaly the CSMs fault that CCP is starting rollout on a feature theyve been working on for over three years. Idiot.
Oh and by the way the only improvement I believe black ops need is an increase in their fuel bay size, other than that theyre fine as long as you use your brain when deploying them. I dont think you will ever completely eliminate the need for a hauler to carry fuel and ammo but a increase in fuel storage might be useful even if just to increase their unsupported travel range.
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Dlardrageth
ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.08 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Darek Castigatus Edited by: Darek Castigatus on 06/10/2010 14:46:25 [...] Yes because its totaly the CSMs fault that CCP is starting rollout on a feature theyve been working on for over three years. Idiot.
Not totally their fault ofc, but they haven't been exactly all up in arms about it either. As supposedly "representatives of the player base" sometimes a more firm/vocal stance towards CCP's "workings" couldn't hurt IMO. After all, the CSM is somewhat of a "public" institution... or was supposed to be one at its inception...
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2010.10.09 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dlardrageth
Originally by: Darek Castigatus Edited by: Darek Castigatus on 06/10/2010 14:46:25 [...] Yes because its totaly the CSMs fault that CCP is starting rollout on a feature theyve been working on for over three years. Idiot.
Not totally their fault ofc, but they haven't been exactly all up in arms about it either. As supposedly "representatives of the player base" sometimes a more firm/vocal stance towards CCP's "workings" couldn't hurt IMO. After all, the CSM is somewhat of a "public" institution... or was supposed to be one at its inception...
And why was Incarna something they needed to be up in arms about in the first place?. After all vocal forum whiners =/= the player base (not accusing you of being that, just making a point). My guess (emphasis mine before someone accuses me of doing the same thing i just criticised) would be that the vast majority of players are either indifferent or would welcome it as something new to try. Me personally, I'm cautiously optimistic but if it doesnt work out its not the end of the world, after all I already enjoy playing the game as it is now.
I can understand the concern about the amount of devs working on Incarna but I think it deserves the amount of effort theyve been putting into it simply because of the implications for CCP as a whole, not just for EVE. If as CCP have been saying the technology will also be used in DUST and the WoD MMO as well as for EVE it makes sense to take the time and resources to do it right and those have to come from somewhere. All the CSM can do is represent the views of the players of EVE, which I think they've been doing a damn good job of so far.
Anyway im starting to ramble so enough of me for now.
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Troggor
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Posted - 2010.10.12 00:59:00 -
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Edited by: Troggor on 12/10/2010 01:02:49 Edited by: Troggor on 12/10/2010 01:01:26 Edited by: Troggor on 12/10/2010 01:01:02 Actually Darek your the Idiot that you accused someone else of being. You like paying to beta test OTHER games? Which is all this basicly is.We are to test their crap for 2 other games. No matter how Fanboi ELITE pvers like on the CSM claim....
Proven bye statements as CSM opposing more Pve cause pvps got to many broken parts? WTF
PVP needs to be nerfed you can do it 30 secs after character creation.. Using their tried and true methods CCP should Nerf it. Its to easy even easyer than mining.
Edited do to being mad at stupid people....
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2010.10.12 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Troggor Edited by: Troggor on 12/10/2010 01:02:49 Edited by: Troggor on 12/10/2010 01:01:26 Edited by: Troggor on 12/10/2010 01:01:02 Actually Darek your the Idiot that you accused someone else of being. You like paying to beta test OTHER games? Which is all this basicly is.We are to test their crap for 2 other games. No matter how Fanboi ELITE pvers like on the CSM claim....
Proven bye statements as CSM opposing more Pve cause pvps got to many broken parts? WTF
PVP needs to be nerfed you can do it 30 secs after character creation.. Using their tried and true methods CCP should Nerf it. Its to easy even easyer than mining.
Edited do to being mad at stupid people....
Yawn, go troll somewhere else moron boy. Better they do it here where they can tweak the code on a platform they understand and have used for years than having to do it on brand new code and manage release day expectations at the same time. Besides you seem to be forgetting that all these features will also be applied to EVE as well, oh wait you're a troll you didnt forget at all.
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Troggor
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Posted - 2010.10.12 16:40:00 -
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Yea haahha Yawn ... the only troll is you. As usual you can't debate so you start insulting. Typical of trolls.
You can not even defend your own idiotic comments on saying its ok to beta test another game. I wouldn't mind it so much if i was NOT paying for it. Despite what idiots like you claim its not free. You still pay a monthly fee.
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2010.10.13 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Troggor Yea haahha Yawn ... the only troll is you. As usual you can't debate so you start insulting. Typical of trolls.
You can not even defend your own idiotic comments on saying its ok to beta test another game. I wouldn't mind it so much if i was NOT paying for it. Despite what idiots like you claim its not free. You still pay a monthly fee.
And for that monthly fee you get access to the servers, storage of your characters stats, ships, isk and equipment plus free additional content whenever CCP releases it. How much did they add to the subscription fee when they announced Incarna, oh thats right jack and ****, so that arguement is false right from the getgo.
So lets clear things up, you're complaining about a free feature that will not only improve EVE but also allow CCP to make more money through other games. Pretty sure most of that extra money will go into CCPs flagship title which is, wait for it, EVE Online.
but hey I know you wont pay any attention to that, because you're a troll.
Peace
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Troggor
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Posted - 2010.10.13 06:42:00 -
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Edited by: Troggor on 13/10/2010 06:45:39 Sigh .. Ill try one more time troll leave your mothers house and get a job or quit living off someones tax money .
NO the money will go INTO those games proving how stupid you really are. Exactly how is making a pretty character and walking on a station going to help a space ship game? NONE... Again how stupid you are. For a flagship part of the company they sure are investing allot of effort into fixing bugs in eve aren't they?
Whats worse your one of those idiots that think because you mined the ore the Minerals are free.
Enough time wasted on some kid trolling.
I would actually like to see Black Ops worked on as well Not sure how thru.. never seen one used for anything other than cynos and to aggravate people bye afk cloaking. Heck I am still waiting on rockets t be fixed after 5 years or so? So i figure dec 21 2012 maybe they will do some work?
Edited Ah heck why worry with this anymore samething on these forums either a troll or a fanboi starts ranting its getting not worth the effort to even read forums
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.10.14 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Bagehi on 14/10/2010 17:12:06 If you guys are so mad about the game, so frustrated with how it doesn't let you do what you want to do (sounds kinda like something a spoiled kid would say), then quit. Eve is better off without you.
That said, I agree with the OP that Black Ops should either have a bigger fuel bay or use less fuel.
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