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TriadSte Gallente	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:45:00 - [1] So I've just downloaded the Incarna video from here and I am utterly impressed by what they achieving here. There is 1 thing I didn't notice which for me would bring up some very serious realism and that is, windows to actually view ships outside of that station in real time. Maybe watch some pvp goin on etc. I love the idea of the shops and needing a blueprint in order to use a "slot" but can you imagine the influx of people trying to get one slot in jita 4-4? How many slots per station will there be....? From what Ive seen Incarna will indeed be a very cool addition to this game I can see people taking hours checking out these stations and spending alot of time in casinos or whatever spending isk.
Nikal Vaszol Dissonance Corp	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:50:00 - [2] Originally by: TriadSte There is 1 thing I didn't notice which for me would bring up some very serious realism and that is, windows to actually view ships outside of that station in real time. Maybe watch some pvp goin on etc. Yes, awesome idea man, would be cool to watch pvp outside dodixie or ganking at 4-4, heh.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:50:00 - [3] As far as the outside-window-view, it would be awesome indeed but I think it might not be implemented due to resources. As I can imagine that docked people consume way less resources than the undocked ones, so window-view would probably mean that anyone "on grid" would need the same resources, so imagine 1200 people undocked outside jita 4-4 as they all use the same resources. But it's just guesses, either way it would be cool indeed. /c Win an Adrestia for 10M

Alpheias	Posted - 2010.09.06 08:54:00 - [4] Wishful thinking on your behalf. Incarna is going to be another feature of underwhelming proportions as CCP continue to struggle with "what's **ing point?" with many of the latest implementations of features. I doubt many of the stations will have anything unique about them other than a interior reminiscent of a style identical to the faction that the station belongs to so once again, "what's the **ing point?".
Ishina Fel Caldari Terra Incognita Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.06 09:05:00 - [5] The issue with the window-viewing is mostly the fact that in Incarna, once you disembark from your ship, you are on a completely different node than the actual solar system you are in. That node does not know what goes on in space around the station you are in, and therefore, cannot display it for you. Signature? What signature?
William Walker Amarr House Celtae	Posted - 2010.09.06 09:07:00 - [6] I can't wait to see jiggly 3D mammaries. ________________________________________________
Mashie Saldana BFG Tech	Posted - 2010.09.06 10:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Chribba As far as the outside-window-view, it would be awesome indeed but I think it might not be implemented due to resources. As I can imagine that docked people consume way less resources than the undocked ones, so window-view would probably mean that anyone "on grid" would need the same resources, so imagine 1200 people undocked outside jita 4-4 as they all use the same resources. But it's just guesses, either way it would be cool indeed. /c Depends how they do it, if all they do is provide it as a video feed on a wall and not the full 3D rendering with overview and stuff it shouldn't add any extra load at all. Sure that means you still won't see if the ships outside actually are wartargets or not. But as you are outside the pod you don't have access to that information anyways so should work out quite nicely.
Ealiom Maximatics Inc Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.09.06 10:53:00 - [8] My thoughts! Incarna concerns me for numerous reasons foremost is a) That I don't see a use for it within EvE. EvE is a game based heavily around pvp Incarna does nothing to extend it, if anything it detracts from it. b) With Incarna, EvE and Dust I worry that the company is stretching itself too thin. I know they must branch out or risk losing everything on one game but that should not be at the expense of the one game that has made them so successful. Vicariously, I live while the whole world dies. Much better you than I. Blackbird Executioner
VanNostrum	Posted - 2010.09.06 11:04:00 - [9] What's Incarna?
Carel	Posted - 2010.09.06 12:08:00 - [10] Originally by: VanNostrum What's Incarna? **** and asses.

Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.09.06 12:42:00 - [11] Edited by: Tres Farmer on 06/09/2010 12:43:46 Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Chribba As far as the outside-window-view, it would be awesome indeed but I think it might not be implemented due to resources. As I can imagine that docked people consume way less resources than the undocked ones, so window-view would probably mean that anyone "on grid" would need the same resources, so imagine 1200 people undocked outside jita 4-4 as they all use the same resources. But it's just guesses, either way it would be cool indeed. /c Depends how they do it, if all they do is provide it as a video feed on a wall and not the full 3D rendering with overview and stuff it shouldn't add any extra load at all. Sure that means you still won't see if the ships outside actually are wartargets or not. But as you are outside the pod you don't have access to that information anyways so should work out quite nicely. A vid stream? not very funny.. especially as there needs to be a stream for every station then. And to top it off.. ever switched off brackets and tried to see ships further away than 500m? Everything that's not a BS just doesn't render anymore then.. If they would go for a station window, I can't see a problem streaming positions of the ships outside of the station you're supposed to be in from another node.. it's not that our clients can't talk to different nodes simultaneously now. There is no interaction from you inside the station anyways.. all you get is the position/type/owner feed of all ships outside and that's it. The Node pushes this kind of info every second onto a spectator node and this one delivers it to all the clients.. voila, you can look out of your station now.
WaringAndWhoring Gallente FEDERATION DEFENCE TECHNOLOGIES	Posted - 2010.09.06 12:53:00 - [12] This is Incarna as it stands right now ----> Linkage
SkinSin	Posted - 2010.09.06 13:10:00 - [13] Edited by: SkinSin on 06/09/2010 13:11:12 It'll be unfinished at release! My bet is that you'll be limited to walking around a 6 foot by 6 foot "room" using the right click menu to move each leg one at a time, and using the chat window called "Station" for all the interaction with other people. There will be very pretty decoration on the walls of the room, but there will be no other avatars visible and looking in the mirror at yourself will show that you appear to have no legs, but do have a very nice crop of hair. Every action you try to perform will take at least 15 mouse clicks.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.09.06 13:11:00 - [14] Youre actually thinking about incarna? Why dont you give your thoughts next on peace on earth and curing all diseases. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Shaalira D'arc	Posted - 2010.09.07 03:54:00 - [15] This latest video of Incarna is pretty amazing. In it, you see: Cyber-punk blending of physical and virtual realities Full character optimization, including clothing and 'body mods' like wings. Customizable residences with video comms links with corp mates Planetary Flight! Meeting up with friends at a PI farm It really looks like something every EVE player should try.
ChrisIsherwood	Posted - 2010.09.07 04:21:00 - [16] Originally by: William Walker I can't wait to see jiggly 3D mammaries. Well one of the Apex demos was showing off the way that hair jiggles in the new technology. Which considering hair stands and not just a clump of hair moving, is a hard problem for 3-D technology. But yes I do think the customer expectations for jiggling is not just the hair on the head.
Sergeant Spot Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.	Posted - 2010.09.07 05:12:00 - [17] A suggestion that has been made before, but with Incarna, might gain traction: The Observation Deck. Have a location on each station called "The observation Deck" When you enter it, it would sort of be like undocking, except the station itself would be your ship. Obviously you would not be able to do anything other than look around, maybe use the look at function to zoom in. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Hiser Hiser Industries Corporation	Posted - 2010.09.07 05:14:00 - [18] Originally by: William Walker I can't wait to see jiggly 3D mammaries. +1
Nimbat	Posted - 2010.09.07 07:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Sergeant Spot A suggestion that has been made before, but with Incarna, might gain traction: The Observation Deck. Have a location on each station called "The observation Deck" When you enter it, it would sort of be like undocking, except the station itself would be your ship. Obviously you would not be able to do anything other than look around, maybe use the look at function to zoom in. Oh my god this is genius. You must promote it!
Jojo Redana	Posted - 2010.09.07 07:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Shaalira D'arc Edited by: Shaalira D''arc on 07/09/2010 04:00:41 This latest video of Incarna is pretty amazing. Edit: fixed link My life is ruined! I saw it. I want it! It was amazing.

Camios Minmatar Insurgent New Eden Tribe	Posted - 2010.09.07 08:01:00 - [21] Edited by: Camios on 07/09/2010 08:01:43 In the fanfest 2008 presentation there was a screen showing the quantum rise trailer in the station. It could be possible to stream the view outside station like the "Jita cam" on those screens, pretending they are windows.

CCP Fear	Posted - 2010.09.07 09:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Chribba As far as the outside-window-view, it would be awesome indeed but I think it might not be implemented due to resources. As I can imagine that docked people consume way less resources than the undocked ones, so window-view would probably mean that anyone "on grid" would need the same resources, so imagine 1200 people undocked outside jita 4-4 as they all use the same resources. But it's just guesses, either way it would be cool indeed. /c Not exactly, but close! We have discussed this, and we think it's cool! However, it boils down to prioritization and value. It might be cool, but could end up losing it's "shininess" in about a minute. Perhaps at some point, but don't expect it in the first incarnation of Incarna! Docked people might take up similar more or less resources on a particular node, however we have clever people working just on that! Originally by: Ishina Fel The issue with the window-viewing is mostly the fact that in Incarna, once you disembark from your ship, you are on a completely different node than the actual solar system you are in. That node does not know what goes on in space around the station you are in, and therefore, cannot display it for you. While that is definitely one technical obstacle, it's not been deemed unsolvable, just requires alot of work! Quote: My thoughts! Incarna concerns me for numerous reasons foremost is a) That I don't see a use for it within EvE. EvE is a game based heavily around pvp Incarna does nothing to extend it, if anything it detracts from it. b) With Incarna, EvE and Dust I worry that the company is stretching itself too thin. I know they must branch out or risk losing everything on one game but that should not be at the expense of the one game that has made them so successful. a) Incarna is meant to fill the gap for people who want to play as full bodied avatar. It's about knowing who your customers are, and they are quite a few and quite different in what they like! So while it might not cater to you, it should cater to some others, just as PvP doesn't cater to everyone and that's why we have other things for them to do. But those in Incarna aren't just sitting in there drinking juice, they need to undock at some point, where they might be a target for you to kill! b) When you say stretching itself thin, i'm going to assume resources or manpower. I think it's been explained a few times by now in blogs and forum posts. But basically Dust is handled by the Shanghai office with 1 team (8 people) being involved in the link between the two games. This link is one of the most ambitious projects any game developer has undertaken! We do take that very seriously, as we have been and want to be breaking the mold of the gaming industry! Incarna has seen some resources move over, but mostly those resources come from Core, whose job is to make all the ground-technology work. We have also hired ALOT of people to work on EVE, Core and Incarna. There are now more people working on EVE than were in the last expansion, and we keep hiring people (you have no idea how packed the office has become!) Originally by: Camios In the fanfest 2008 presentation there was a screen showing the quantum rise trailer in the station. It is possible, we use Bink in the current Character Creation system, and that can be rendered on any texture. But streaming is something we haven't looked at much, but I'll ask around if anyone has looked into it!

Franga Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams	Posted - 2010.09.07 09:39:00 - [23] Now that's a Dev response. Thankyou sir. Tbh, all I really want from Incarna is a poker table or two to play at.
Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2010.09.07 09:50:00 - [24] Originally by: CCP Fear Originally by: Chribba As far as the outside-window-view, it would be awesome indeed but I think it might not be implemented due to resources. As I can imagine that docked people consume way less resources than the undocked ones, so window-view would probably mean that anyone "on grid" would need the same resources, so imagine 1200 people undocked outside jita 4-4 as they all use the same resources. But it's just guesses, either way it would be cool indeed. /c Not exactly, but close! We have discussed this, and we think it's cool! However, it boils down to prioritization and value. It might be cool, but could end up losing it's "shininess" in about a minute. Perhaps at some point, but don't expect it in the first incarnation of Incarna! Docked people might take up similar more or less resources on a particular node, however we have clever people working just on that! CCP Fear.. nice to have you on the line.. 1) I have to protest against the 'will loose it's shinny', because: of 'undocking games' and 'undocking blind spot'.. If one could see whats outside the station without undocking there would be MANY MANY people who would just use Incarna to check out if there is someone at the undock point. I would be one of them!!! 2) Did you read the yellow marked part of my post above ^^ about a spectator node? The idea behind: It would connect to the location node like a normal client, which would steer a ship right outside the station.. just no interaction at all, just getting the info. Then this spectator node would work as relay to give the information it got from the locator node and send it to all the clients which are docked at this station. So, you would need one spectator node per station and this one would only be active if there is someone docked inside the station and in the area where you can see outside of the station.. 3) please dont stream this stuff as texture.. the clients only need information about the ships position/pilot/status outside of the station, nothing else.. don't make it more complicated than it has to be. Originally by: CCP Fear Originally by: Ishina Fel The issue with the window-viewing is mostly the fact that in Incarna, once you disembark from your ship, you are on a completely different node than the actual solar system you are in. That node does not know what goes on in space around the station you are in, and therefore, cannot display it for you. While that is definitely one technical obstacle, it's not been deemed unsolvable, just requires alot of work! snip Bah.. spectator node > relays spectator information of objects in space around station (the grid its on).. voila, done. Don't reinvent the wheel..
BIZZAROSTORMY	Posted - 2010.09.07 10:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Mashie Saldana Originally by: Chribba As far as the outside-window-view, it would be awesome indeed but I think it might not be implemented due to resources. As I can imagine that docked people consume way less resources than the undocked ones, so window-view would probably mean that anyone "on grid" would need the same resources, so imagine 1200 people undocked outside jita 4-4 as they all use the same resources. But it's just guesses, either way it would be cool indeed. /c Depends how they do it, if all they do is provide it as a video feed on a wall and not the full 3D rendering with overview and stuff it shouldn't add any extra load at all. Sure that means you still won't see if the ships outside actually are wartargets or not. But as you are outside the pod you don't have access to that information anyways so should work out quite nicely.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2010.09.07 10:31:00 - [26] Originally by: CCP Fear Originally by: Chribba As far as the outside-window-view, it would be awesome indeed but I think it might not be implemented due to resources. As I can imagine that docked people consume way less resources than the undocked ones, so window-view would probably mean that anyone "on grid" would need the same resources, so imagine 1200 people undocked outside jita 4-4 as they all use the same resources. But it's just guesses, either way it would be cool indeed. /c Not exactly, but close! We have discussed this, and we think it's cool! However, it boils down to prioritization and value. ... Docked people might take up similar more or less resources on a particular node, however we have clever people working just on that! You need to keep the view of the outsides only at one fixed point. Very different from anything else you do. From that point it could be broadcasted to everywhere else. You can set that even onto one own node if you want. And in case that it still is too much for the node you can just cleverly blend in some advertisement until the 'situation' is resolved :-) Same with battle transmissions I mentioned ages ago already.
Vyktor Abyss The 8th Order	Posted - 2010.09.07 10:34:00 - [27] Wow oh wow! A Dev reply about Incarna!?!? Awesome work. A couple of big wants for Incarna: 1. POKER - You should really speak to the people at PKR and get/use their avatar poker engine or something, can't be too hard to "bolt on" to what you deliver. 2. CRIMINALITY - "illegal" bounty hunting, smuggling, people trafficking, brothels and other nefarious stuff for the underworld please. A couple of questions: 1. Regarding the link to Dust - Will our funky cool alliance logos and stuff make it into Dust showing who the mercs are working for? 2. Do you now have an outlined list of new features for Incarna that you can share, confirm or deny, or hint at? Thanks.
Ishina Fel Caldari Terra Incognita Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2010.09.07 10:37:00 - [28] I read at Massively.com that Incarna won't be coming this winter, so there might not be many finalized details to share. Of course, that being not an official CCP site, they might be wrong. I hope they're wrong. I do want Incarna Signature? What signature?
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2010.09.07 10:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Ishina Fel I read at Massively.com that Incarna won't be coming this winter, so there might not be many finalized details to share. Of course, that being not an official CCP site, they might be wrong. I hope they're wrong. I do want Incarna It was confirmed months ago, that Incarna won't be coming in the winter, but something Incarna related would be in it. That would be the new avatars.
Foundation Vox	Posted - 2010.09.07 10:57:00 - [30] Originally by: Franga Now that's a Dev response. Thankyou sir. Tbh, all I really want from Incarna is a poker table or two to play at. This. My main hope for Incarna is that this becomes possible. Love spaceships or I wouldn't be playing eve but the idea of docking and actually seeing my toon for a bit as he does some gambling ... o yes. I do want.



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