EVE Search - Science says: modern musicians are doin' it wrong

Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:

First, we should take into account the advent of 12-bar blues, which might have contributed a bit.

Second, coming off of the era of jazz, musical theory wanking isn't as popular as it once was...it's not as common to see music that's complicated for the sake of being complicated. (I'm looking at you, free jazz)

Third, these "simpler" songs as often as not follow a pentatonic scale in some form or another, which is in established music theory is about as natural as it gets for the human mind. (science linky, watch this)

That aside, music hasn't gotten dumber s much as the people that market it have gotten smarter. The catchy stuff is what gets marketed, because it's easy to market, but if you look away from the top 100, there's really a lot of well-written music still coming out and selling well because it's good, not because the guy on tv said to buy it.

All this study proves is that people are too dumb to decide what they like for themselves. Stray off the beaten path a bit and there's a ton of really good music floating around unnoticed.

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Linna Excel Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 69	Posted - 2012.07.28 03:39:00 - [1] - Quote Leet researchers with lots of science-peen are calling modern musicians a bunch of brainless, deaf n00bs. I thought there was a reason why everything keeps sounding too loud and not rich enough. Eventually rock musicians will only be able to play songs with one note... I was going to post a link of Mr Bean playing the keyboards in the olympics, but the IOC decided to be a bunch of arses and blocked the youtube links. What do you get when you cross an owl and a bungee cord?
Micheal Dietrich Kings Gambit Black 572	Posted - 2012.07.28 03:50:00 - [2] - Quote Evidence A
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1733	Posted - 2012.07.28 04:06:00 - [3] - Quote Linna Excel wrote: Leet researchers with lots of science-peen are calling modern musicians a bunch of brainless, deaf n00bs. I thought there was a reason why everything keeps sounding too loud and not rich enough. Eventually rock musicians will devolve to the point they will only be able to play songs with one note... I was going to post a link of Mr Bean playing the keyboards in the olympics, but the IOC decided to be a bunch of arses and blocked the youtube links. EDIT: found one, watch it while you can. Rap already claimed that one note style
Linna Excel Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 69	Posted - 2012.07.28 04:11:00 - [4] - Quote Everyone knows rap isn't music. It's people shouting obscenities with dance music playing in the background. What do you get when you cross an owl and a bungee cord?
Lord Amaterasu Carebears online 23	Posted - 2012.07.28 06:31:00 - [5] - Quote Linna Excel wrote: EDIT: found one, watch it while you can. Too late. The Mittani...not the hero Eve deserves, but the one we need. -Prisoner 002929
Linna Excel Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 69	Posted - 2012.07.29 02:12:00 - [6] - Quote As much as I support the ability to own and profit from your intellectual property, I can't help but feel the IOC is shooting themselves in the foot. What do you get when you cross an owl and a bungee cord?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1736	Posted - 2012.07.29 05:08:00 - [7] - Quote Linna Excel wrote: Everyone knows rap isn't music. It's people shouting obscenities with dance music playing in the background. That description makes it sound like all modern music
Emiko P'eng 24	Posted - 2012.07.29 11:46:00 - [8] - Quote Linna Excel wrote: Leet researchers with lots of science-peen are calling modern musicians a bunch of brainless, deaf n00bs. I thought there was a reason why everything keeps sounding too loud and not rich enough. Eventually rock musicians will devolve to the point they will only be able to play songs with one note... I was going to post a link of Mr Bean playing the keyboards in the olympics, but the IOC decided to be a bunch of arses and blocked the youtube links. EDIT: bah There was me thinking it was just old age that meant modern music was just to loud and monotonous Oh! Here is another Mr Bean link the Olympic Corporation Police hadn't found this one yet! Youtube - Mr Bean At The Olympic 2012 Opening
Louis deGuerre The Dark Tribe 413	Posted - 2012.07.29 12:21:00 - [9] - Quote It's worth looking at Vocaloid music for some original tunes. I know it's Japanese and weird, but it delivers. Lol I cant' say **** [poop] Language filter is so gay FIRE FRIENDSHIP TORPEDOES ! Louis's epic skill guide v1.1
Major Bibi 9	Posted - 2012.07.30 10:40:00 - [10] - Quote Proof that baroque still rules the world

Something Random The Barrow Boys 173	Posted - 2012.07.30 12:49:00 - [11] - Quote Micheal Dietrich wrote: Evidence A Congratulations, You are a Winner! Your "Right to feel smug" golden pass is in the post and you will soon be enjoying all the benefits a full day of smugness can bring. "caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!"
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 476	Posted - 2012.07.30 13:22:00 - [12] - Quote Louis deGuerre wrote: It's worth looking at Vocaloid music for some original tunes. I know it's Japanese and weird, but it delivers. Lol I cant' say **** [poop] Language filter is so gay So that song is about aimlessly spinning around... I can see an EVE theme in it. Clever, very clever... "We want your help to convince management to develop Incarna into 3rd person shooter dungeon raiding with friendly fire in nullsec space..." Seriously, Team Avatar?
Micheal Dietrich Kings Gambit Black 575	Posted - 2012.07.30 13:53:00 - [13] - Quote Something Random wrote: Micheal Dietrich wrote: Evidence A Congratulations, You are a Winner! Your "Right to feel smug" golden pass is in the post and you will soon be enjoying all the benefits a full day of smugness can bring. You jelly bro?
Something Random The Barrow Boys 173	Posted - 2012.07.30 21:02:00 - [14] - Quote Micheal Dietrich wrote: You jelly bro? No, actually meant it. As in was very funny, smug in the best way. "caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!"
Hiyora Akachi Bling Ring Tax Evaders 50	Posted - 2012.08.01 00:14:00 - [15] - Quote Micheal Dietrich wrote: Evidence A This. L2MUSIC n00bs!11!!!!!11!!
Micheal Dietrich Kings Gambit Black 579	Posted - 2012.08.01 00:16:00 - [16] - Quote Something Random wrote: Micheal Dietrich wrote: You jelly bro? No, actually meant it. As in was very funny, smug in the best way. My bad dawg, carry on.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 146	Posted - 2012.08.01 02:03:00 - [17] - Quote If I'm not mistaken, Tenacious D had a one note song... ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Ensign Community Communication Liasions (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Whang'Lo Set Sail to Epic Fail 1	Posted - 2012.08.02 15:31:00 - [18] - Quote Actually what killed music was the switch from Analog to Digital. Digital music is like "microwaved food". "Pasteurized" music if you will. Ironically the switch to Digital also seriously put the hurt on the profitability of making music with mp3's and all. Most people have never heard real quality analog recording/playback equipment. If you have and your not deaf, you would know it's x10 times better than digital. It's just most peoples experience with analog was the 99.00$ stereo they bought from Kmart.
Micheal Dietrich Kings Gambit Black 579	Posted - 2012.08.02 15:35:00 - [19] - Quote ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote: If I'm not mistaken, Tenacious D had a one note song... That's acceptable only because it's Tenacious D
Darius Brinn Iberians Iberians. 76	Posted - 2012.08.03 10:09:00 - [20] - Quote Evidence "B". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I And awesome evidence indeed.

Rajan Marelona Hedion University Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2012.08.03 12:35:00 - [21] - Quote They get paid. So who say they do it wrong ? They do it ugly, yes, but the sad true is that they do it right. Idiots buy crap and there are many idiots and idiots like crap. Crap sells. Market wins. Death of good music and triumf of capitalism. Huray !
Jim Roebuck Union of Protectorates UNITED STAR FEDERATION 14	Posted - 2012.08.05 02:37:00 - [22] - Quote Linna Excel wrote: Everyone knows rap isn't music. It's people shouting obscenities with dance music playing in the background. And mix them together, you have music, numbnuts. I run cheap merc contracts, cheaper than most other merc corps out there, except I fly solo. PM me for more info.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1764	Posted - 2012.08.05 03:10:00 - [23] - Quote Jim Roebuck wrote: Linna Excel wrote: Everyone knows rap isn't music. It's people shouting obscenities with dance music playing in the background. And mix them together, you have music, numbnuts. unless it's rap
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity 106	Posted - 2012.08.05 06:55:00 - [24] - Quote First, we should take into account the advent of 12-bar blues, which might have contributed a bit. Second, coming off of the era of jazz, musical theory wanking isn't as popular as it once was...it's not as common to see music that's complicated for the sake of being complicated. (I'm looking at you, free jazz) Third, these "simpler" songs as often as not follow a pentatonic scale in some form or another, which is in established music theory is about as natural as it gets for the human mind. (science linky, watch this) That aside, music hasn't gotten dumber s much as the people that market it have gotten smarter. The catchy stuff is what gets marketed, because it's easy to market, but if you look away from the top 100, there's really a lot of well-written music still coming out and selling well because it's good, not because the guy on tv said to buy it. Have a look at these fairly popular songs. and tell me there isn't some great musicianship involved: John Mayer- In Repair http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HowlAlZoIF4 making of-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eWrQzNJgC8 Dave Matthews Band - Where Are You Going http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjykrjAS5bQ&feature=relmfu KT Tunstall- Black Horse & The Cherry Tree (live...she's f*cking awesome with that looper ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulyoxdhHrIs Jason Mraz & Colbie Callait- Lucky (live) (check out the harmony) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAetEUGwAsU ...and that's all mostly singer/songwriter stuff. Go a tad farther off the beaten path, look somewhere besides the radio, and...well: Dream Theater- The Dark Eternal Night In (studio video) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkF4JD2rO3Q Halo 2 theme featuring Steve Vai http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu6PxjkU5R0 Metallica & the SF Symphony Orchestra- No Leaf Clover (tell me this isn't cool?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd9ohpDDCRU I could do this all night... Triple rep Myrms are like what you'd get if you strapped a beehive to Robocop.
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises 196	Posted - 2012.08.05 08:05:00 - [25] - Quote Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote: That aside, music hasn't gotten dumber s much as the people that market it have gotten smarter. The catchy stuff is what gets marketed, because it's easy to market, but if you look away from the top 100, there's really a lot of well-written music still coming out and selling well because it's good, not because the guy on tv said to buy it. All this study proves is that people are too dumb to decide what they like for themselves. Stray off the beaten path a bit and there's a ton of really good music floating around unnoticed. This i actually agree with 100%. There is a lot of music that few people will know that is really well made and catches your interest. Im going to add in two links (neither are new new but they arent that old either ;) ). Sorry but both of them will also be in Norwegian. Kaizers Orchestra - 170 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ookuLGzK8Bo Seigmen - D+&derlein http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMeHf65_aIQ But yes in general i dont listen to much "new" music anymore since what is being advertised is..well in general not something i react on,and i dont go to festivals or odd bar concerts anymore so i dont hear much "unadvertised" music. But i also think it has something to do with just simply getting older. Some of the music that i found great when i was younger is highly disliked by others now at that age,but i still enjoy listening to it because it reminds me about a different time and places. New music dosent have this obviusly,thus i find my self listening to the same music for years and years and ask my daughter to turn down the sound because the neighboors will think we are killing the cats
Bill Serkoff2 Tachyon Technology 49	Posted - 2012.08.05 20:46:00 - [26] - Quote Popular music is, indeed, getting worse - however, unpopular music can shine, however rare it is. "The Cyclone and the Drake are two ships which will basically never be good for shield tanking, primarily because they have almost no lowslots in addition to shield tanking bonuses. " *-Iam Widdershins*
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity 106	Posted - 2012.08.06 03:48:00 - [27] - Quote ^ Not as rare as you'd think... Triple rep Myrms are like what you'd get if you strapped a beehive to Robocop.
Astenion Nephilim Coalition Zombie Ninja Space Bears 160	Posted - 2012.08.06 12:14:00 - [28] - Quote Well DUH! Pop music isn't music because it's not played with instruments anymore; it's not the pop music of yesteryear. Of course it all sounds the same because it all IS the same. Metal and rock are the only genres (including all their respective subgenres) of popular music left in which real musicians are required to actually have some semblance of musicianship and songwriting talent. But then again, pop music was never about music anyway.
Astenion Nephilim Coalition Zombie Ninja Space Bears 160	Posted - 2012.08.06 12:16:00 - [29] - Quote Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote: First, we should take into account the advent of 12-bar blues, which might have contributed a bit. Second, coming off of the era of jazz, musical theory wanking isn't as popular as it once was...it's not as common to see music that's complicated for the sake of being complicated. (I'm looking at you, free jazz) Third, these "simpler" songs as often as not follow a pentatonic scale in some form or another, which is in established music theory is about as natural as it gets for the human mind. (science linky, watch this) That aside, music hasn't gotten dumber s much as the people that market it have gotten smarter. The catchy stuff is what gets marketed, because it's easy to market, but if you look away from the top 100, there's really a lot of well-written music still coming out and selling well because it's good, not because the guy on tv said to buy it. All this study proves is that people are too dumb to decide what they like for themselves. Stray off the beaten path a bit and there's a ton of really good music floating around unnoticed. This. So hard.
Astenion Nephilim Coalition Zombie Ninja Space Bears 160	Posted - 2012.08.06 12:17:00 - [30] - Quote Jim Roebuck wrote: Linna Excel wrote: Everyone knows rap isn't music. It's people shouting obscenities with dance music playing in the background. And mix them together, you have music, numbnuts. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! No. Go learn how to play an instrument.


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