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Torgrim Jarl
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Posted - 2010.09.01 14:26:00 -
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I started out mining, but now im training combat skills for agent missions.
Im at 1.2 Mill SP now.Currently using an Omen but will get a Maller soon.
I want to get out in 0.0 as fast as possible, but i have a few questions.
1.Is it possible to just start up a one man operation out there?.Im thinking maybe mining or combat missions from agents.Or will i get ganked all over, all the time?
2.If it is, do i need to find a remote location to get it to work?.Thinking mostly a little mining to fund my pvp, or is it better ways to do it ?
3.What Combat ships do i need in 0.0 to survive both Agent missions and pvp ? Do i need Battleships or can i still use Cruisers?
In other words, i want to plan out my future, but ill gladly take some advice from people that have done it before me.
I could expand my 1 man corp some, but i wont do it if i cant get anything up and running.
I see its a wast space out there, but if i keep getting killed all the times while moving im not sure i can afford it.I have looked into joining a Corp, but building my own step by step would be fine as well....i just need to start somewhere ^^
Anyway, thanks for any informative answers.
- Torgrim Jarl
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Amicus Morte
Shock an Awe
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Posted - 2010.09.01 14:42:00 -
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1. It's possible. Sooner rather then later you will be found and your operation destroyed.
2. The more desolate the better. Getting your stuff there will be very hard.
3. Cruisers won't cut it, except for PVP.
To summarize, your plan has about a much chance of success as a snowball in hell.
Still, I like your style, so if you wanna get into 0.0 might wanna check this out.
Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenFt built for this!
Clear Skies - The Movie
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Limdood
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Posted - 2010.09.01 15:20:00 -
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Torgrim, you have two good options, and a couple, not-so-great-but-they-might-work options.
1. join a 0.0 corp what will help you get on your feet, provide relatively safe access back to hisec market hubs, and give you the advice you need.
2. hang in hisec for a bit, missioning (most likely) to raise some solid cash while you train up to be able to COMPETENTLY fly a battleship. This gives you some good cash, it gives you a ship in hisec, and it gives you time to hone your skills....all good if the 0.0 move doesn't work great the first time. At your option, you can even begin building a corp with the eventual goal of moving to 0.0. Once you have skills, money, and maybe some support people, the 0.0 move will be much easier to do if option 1 is unappealing.
alternatively, heading to 0.0 now will be really rough. missioning out there COULD work, but until you get into a BC or better, you'll be stuck with level 1 and 2 missions. Mining or ratting on the other hand, will be all but impossible without at LEAST a battlecruiser (most likely a Battleship), as the belt rats in 0.0 tend to regularly spawn battleships.
finally, this is a so-so option, but could work if you're lucky. As soon as you can fly a BS and think you can handle the belt rats there, try talking to one of the alliance leaders in the area you are considering living in. If you can get them to set you to blue (meaning "don't shoot" for the alliance members), you can make a very nice living....keep in mind, it will be hard to get "blue'd" without offering something in return.....a monthly tax or something...think of it as "protection money" like with the mob (since 0.0 is supposed to be lawless). The biggest difficulties there are getting blue'd in the first place, and making sure they actually honor their word.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2010.09.01 15:23:00 -
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If you go to 0.0 the first time bring ISK and expect to lose it. It is quite easy to deal with clueless competitors outside of CONCORD patrolled space. Advertising the fact that you don't know what you are doing at a prominent place might not have been best move you ever did.
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Smuggo Smuggins
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Posted - 2010.09.01 15:25:00 -
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Your best bet is to join a corp that's based in 0.0 and accepts and trains new players.
I often fly with one such corp, RPS Holdings, who specialise in bringing new players to 0.0 so you might want to join their public channel "RPS Community".
If you're going to try stuff like this it might be a good idea to set up a jumpclone in empire with all your missioning stuff so you can easily jump out and raise some isk safely, as it's hard to be self-sufficient in null, especially as new player.
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Baneken
Gallente
School of the Unseen
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Posted - 2010.09.01 16:45:00 -
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Living in 0.0 is quite different from living in high sec fr starters you should read this rather excellent guide last pages about null sec are useful even if you have lived in null sec for a time (like I have).
Before the fall of provi blob moving to null sec was just a question getting you stuff across the pipe and past the inevitable gate camps.
On these days there is no common NBSI so you're at mercy of local alliances that hold the sov, some are NBSI and some of them aren't.
Hence the best way is to join an already established alliance in the region, like the one advertised in previous replies.
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Torgrim Jarl
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:53:00 -
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Thanks alot guys.
I do understand ill get ganked alot, but im not that afraid of pvp, thats what i usually play...i guess ill just learn my mistakes the hard way, then ill eventualy find the right setups/tactics and do some payback.;)(i hope)
My problem is finding away around it so it get less painfull, thats why im posting here....and im always up for a challenge.
I do have a couple stupid newb questions more ^^
1.As i understand it most of 0.0 space are occupied, or if im lucky and find an unoccupid remote system, ill have problems transporting my ore/loot, because i have to pass alot of systems that are owned by corps/alliances, that will try to gank me?...have i gotten it right?
2. If so, is it impossible to use ships that are made for breaking blockades? that are not easily stopped and with good cargo space?...im a newb just asking here, just because i really dont know if there are such a thing?
3.If i get war decced i think i can handle it, if its in a remote place they must go to find me...they will soon be bored trying to catch me i think.
4.I understand i need Battleship to do mining/missions in 0.0 space, why do you recommend smaller ships for pvp?
5.If i do combat agent missions now, is there far between agents to do missions in 0.0 space ?
Anyway, thanks to all that has taken the time to answer, i do enjoy picking your brains abit ;)
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Teela Stardancer
Minmatar
The Institute for Posterior Health and Awareness
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Torgrim Jarl
3.If i get war decced i think i can handle it, if its in a remote place they must go to find me...they will soon be bored trying to catch me i think.
Whether or not they war-dec you is irrelevant - if anyone finds you (highly likely unless you are planning to bounce about with a cloak on) they can just kill you.
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Torgrim Jarl
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:22:00 -
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Edited by: Torgrim Jarl on 01/09/2010 18:24:58
Originally by: Teela Stardancer
Originally by: Torgrim Jarl
3.If i get war decced i think i can handle it, if its in a remote place they must go to find me...they will soon be bored trying to catch me i think.
Whether or not they war-dec you is irrelevant - if anyone finds you (highly likely unless you are planning to bounce about with a cloak on) they can just kill you.
Is it that easy?...even if im in ships that can take a beating?, im just asking here...i really dont know...
Im thinking a battleship with good tank?...
I know people have stealth ships, but isnt they weaker than normal battle ships?
Wouldnt i notice if people entered a remote system i was in with normal ships?..and why should they stay there?
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Torgrim Jarl
Is it that easy?...even if im in ships that can take a beating?, im just asking here...i really dont know...
Im thinking a battleship with good tank?...
I know people have stealth ships, but isnt they weaker than normal battle ships?
Wouldnt i notice if people entered a remote system i was in with normal ships?..and why should they stay there?
If you enter a battleship with less then 10 million skill points in combat/ship related skills then yes a few small frigates can take out your BS, especially if the frigate pilots are well skilled and well practiced.
If you want to try to solo it, definately read up on how to survive in low sec and null sec in the link posted above and run to NPC space. There you can start running level 1 and 2 missions and you will start making some isk and getting a foot hold in 0.0. Defianately do not go without reading up, checking the start maps, using a cov ops to set up bookmarks before you fly bigger ships/haulers out there. Try to find some friends to fly with in the time being and see if you can get a group to go out together.
Good Luck,
Slade
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Torgrim Jarl
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Posted - 2010.09.01 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Torgrim Jarl
Is it that easy?...even if im in ships that can take a beating?, im just asking here...i really dont know...
Im thinking a battleship with good tank?...
I know people have stealth ships, but isnt they weaker than normal battle ships?
Wouldnt i notice if people entered a remote system i was in with normal ships?..and why should they stay there?
If you enter a battleship with less then 10 million skill points in combat/ship related skills then yes a few small frigates can take out your BS, especially if the frigate pilots are well skilled and well practiced.
If you want to try to solo it, definately read up on how to survive in low sec and null sec in the link posted above and run to NPC space. There you can start running level 1 and 2 missions and you will start making some isk and getting a foot hold in 0.0. Defianately do not go without reading up, checking the start maps, using a cov ops to set up bookmarks before you fly bigger ships/haulers out there. Try to find some friends to fly with in the time being and see if you can get a group to go out together.
Good Luck,
Slade
Thanks,....one thing i dont understand though.Do they manage to kill you before you get away?...isnt it possible to just bookmark yourself to safety? ^^
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Torgrim Jarl
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Posted - 2010.09.01 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Louis deGuerre
Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 01/09/2010 14:47:29
1. It's possible. Sooner rather then later you will be found and your operation destroyed.
2. The more desolate the better. Getting your stuff there will be very hard.
3. Cruisers won't cut it, except for PVP.
To summarize, your plan has about a much chance of success as a snowball in hell.
Still, I like your style, so if you wanna get into 0.0 might wanna check this out.
EDIT : You could try to live in NPC 0.0, which is slightly easier.
Ill maybe contact you later when i get trained up some.
Thanks for the offer!
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.09.01 19:50:00 -
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All in all - what you are talking about is a really bad idea. Going down to 0.0 without being a part of one of the corp's in an alliance down there is just going to get you constantly ganked and podded. You will be broke in no time.
Do NOT go down there in a battleship by yourself. Whatever you go down there in - you ARE going to get blown up. So don't do it in an expensive ship.
Besides the standard Warp Scramblers/Disruptors and Webbifiers - they've got bubbles down there that they can set up at the gates ... which you then can't warp out of - and then get blown up in. Yes, if you are cloaked ... then you might stand a chance but there's some experience involved in pulling that off that you won't have - and cloaks and cloaking ships aren't cheap (not by rookie standards).
The thing is - the people down in 0.0 are fairly territorial. They spend all their time defending their turf against each other and are very knowledgeable in doing so. Go down there as a lone rookie - and you don't stand a chance.
The other thing is ... when you get podded - you'll respawn in where ever your clone is. You can move that clone - but if the clone isn't down in 0.0 itself - you'll end up back in high sec (probably in the starter system you began the game in) and have to fly all the way back down to 0.0 each time. Now - that may well be a good thing - as then at least you won't be trapped down there with a 900k clone (since you'll be broke in no time from buying clones and ships) and a rookie ship that's not going to last 2 seconds.
In short - don't do it.
If you want to go down to 0.0 - join a corporation that lives down there.
Once you've got not merely character skills - but personal experience in living down there - THEN - if you want ... go try some adventure on your own. But don't just go blundering about down there as an FNG ... you'll just spend all your time as road kill in the space lanes.
The only thing good that is likely to happen to you - is that someone down there might take pity on you (after they blow you up a few times) and recruit you - doing for you what you should have done for yourself in the first place.
If you want an adventure in getting blown up - go to Low Sec. They can't claim Sovereignty there or set up warp bubbles. Look at your map - set it to show Pilots in Space - and go to some place there aren't any. Then make yourself some safe spots and try to accomplish something. Hide from or fight the other players that come along as you please. Just be aware - that if you shoot first - you'll hurt your security standing with Concord - and if it gets bad enough ... you'll have to bring it back up or you'll be stuck down there. Also - don't delete a character to get rid of a bad security standing - that is considered an exploit and will get you in trouble with CCP. It's OK to make and Bio Mass all the characters you want - as long as they don't have low security standings. Of course ... Ha! Ha! ... not shooting first and absorbing the other guys Alpha ... is likely to get you blown up ... so ... do as you will about that ...
What a lot of people do - is to have a Hi Sec alt - that makes money for them - and then another alt that does things like do down to Low Sec or Null Sec (0.0).
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Torgrim Jarl
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Posted - 2010.09.01 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
All in all - what you are talking about is a really bad idea. Going down to 0.0 without being a part of one of the corp's in an alliance down there is just going to get you constantly ganked and podded. You will be broke in no time.
Do NOT go down there in a battleship by yourself. Whatever you go down there in - you ARE going to get blown up. So don't do it in an expensive ship.
Besides the standard Warp Scramblers/Disruptors and Webbifiers - they've got bubbles down there that they can set up at the gates ... which you then can't warp out of - and then get blown up in. Yes, if you are cloaked ... then you might stand a chance but there's some experience involved in pulling that off that you won't have - and cloaks and cloaking ships aren't cheap (not by rookie standards).
The thing is - the people down in 0.0 are fairly territorial. They spend all their time defending their turf against each other and are very knowledgeable in doing so. Go down there as a lone rookie - and you don't stand a chance.
The other thing is ... when you get podded - you'll respawn in where ever your clone is. You can move that clone - but if the clone isn't down in 0.0 itself - you'll end up back in high sec (probably in the starter system you began the game in) and have to fly all the way back down to 0.0 each time. Now - that may well be a good thing - as then at least you won't be trapped down there with a 900k clone (since you'll be broke in no time from buying clones and ships) and a rookie ship that's not going to last 2 seconds.
In short - don't do it.
If you want to go down to 0.0 - join a corporation that lives down there.
Once you've got not merely character skills - but personal experience in living down there - THEN - if you want ... go try some adventure on your own. But don't just go blundering about down there as an FNG ... you'll just spend all your time as road kill in the space lanes.
The only thing good that is likely to happen to you - is that someone down there might take pity on you (after they blow you up a few times) and recruit you - doing for you what you should have done for yourself in the first place.
If you want an adventure in getting blown up - go to Low Sec. They can't claim Sovereignty there or set up warp bubbles. Look at your map - set it to show Pilots in Space - and go to some place there aren't any. Then make yourself some safe spots and try to accomplish something. Hide from or fight the other players that come along as you please. Just be aware - that if you shoot first - you'll hurt your security standing with Concord - and if it gets bad enough ... you'll have to bring it back up or you'll be stuck down there. Also - don't delete a character to get rid of a bad security standing - that is considered an exploit and will get you in trouble with CCP. It's OK to make and Bio Mass all the characters you want - as long as they don't have low security standings. Of course ... Ha! Ha! ... not shooting first and absorbing the other guys Alpha ... is likely to get you blown up ... so ... do as you will about that ...
What a lot of people do - is to have a Hi Sec alt - that makes money for them - and then another alt that does things like do down to Low Sec or Null Sec (0.0).
Thanks for writing that wall of text, you have convinced me ;)
Im going to join a Corp now for sure ^^
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