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Shooting Man
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Posted - 2010.08.21 08:33:00 -
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Edited by: Shooting Man on 21/08/2010 08:46:32 Hi All,
This will probably get flamed but still, hopefully it will save just ONE noob a day from being scammed in Jita and other hubs.
I have devised a list below of most of the current scams out there, I will of course add to the list as I find more. Friendly bumps welcomed ;).
If you see any of the below from anyone just block them and ignore them.
NOTE: Where is use specific ship types (Raven Navy Issue) the same scams can be done with any faction ships so keep that in mind, these are only examples.
-WTS Raven Navy Issue for xxx Million - first one to open trade window gets in == This is the oldest trick in the book, the "Raven Navy Issue" is a rename unpackaged "Raven" dont fall for it guys, people wanting to sell faction ships legitimately will do it on contracts
-WTS Raven Navy Issue - contracts in BIO == They will usually have 2 or more contracts in their BIO, the top one will be a legitimate sale of a Raven Navy Issue but will have been accepted and completed, you will click on the second one down thinking it is the same but its actually a normal Raven
-Protues Contract == Open it and it will be Proteins - ALWAYS double and triple check contracts to ensure the item listed and the price quoted
-Charon Contract == Open it and its will be Carbon
-WTS 300,000 Tritanium for xxx ISK == Open the contract and it will be 30,000 not 300,000 - ALWAYS check the quantities
-The Recruitment Scam == You will be offered to join a corp with 20+ members that sounds too good to be true, ship replacement program, Wormholes, 10/10 plexes, Level 5's etc - you will join and they will ask you to contract your ships over so they can move them to that "better place" for you. DONT GIVE AWAY YOUR SHIPS - They will just break the courier contract or take your ships - if your going to do this ONLY ever do it as a courier contract with collateral that equals your ships value - BEST OPTION always fly your own ships ;)
List Of Known Scammers:- -Gunboots -Ovoster -gninaol ski -Gambool -Fatal Calamity
I am sure more will continue to follow and hopefully this will save some people!!
Peace Out! Shooting Man
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.08.21 08:38:00 -
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People stupid enough to fall for those scams probably don't even know the forums exist
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.21 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shooting Man If you see any of the below from anyone just block them and anything being offered in local ignore them.
Short version.
The existence of contract search and of the market means the good deals can be found without listening to spam. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Modahn Etch
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
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Posted - 2010.08.21 09:08:00 -
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This seems very official. Your Mothership. |
Pesky LaRue
Minmatar The Magnificent Bastards
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Posted - 2010.08.21 09:28:00 -
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cute idea, but this would probably be better served in the EVE New Citizens Q&A .
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Goremageddon Box
Minmatar Guerilla Gorilla
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Posted - 2010.08.21 11:34:00 -
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the best thing to do is, if you see a scammer, block his/her ass.
i got many scammers blocked. :) _______________________ Hottest Character Ever. |
Arcana Mortis
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Posted - 2010.08.21 11:47:00 -
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I was THIS CLOSE to falling for the Raven Navy Issue scam lol.
Fortunately a corp mate told me to check the item info and description before I bought it.
Another useful tip for Jita: If you're undocking with something shiney (ie. faction or very expensive) do it in the biggest, most well-tanked ship you can find. NOT a hauler and not a Kestrel (as evidenced by the fool who lost 74 PLEX) You will be ganked. Be warned.
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Miss Connolly
Public Relations Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.21 11:48:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Connolly on 21/08/2010 11:53:21 Edited by: Miss Connolly on 21/08/2010 11:50:26 Here's one more for your list:
SCAM 9 The Scam: I've found a way to remove fitted rigs from ships The Notes: They try and make you believe that they found a way to remove fitted rigs from ships (without destroying the rigs of course) and offer to do this for 10mil ISK per rig (usually payable up-front). They simply want you to trade them your ships after which they'll laugh at you.
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Quote: Another useful tip for Jita: If you're undocking with something shiney (ie. faction or very expensive) do it in the biggest, most well-tanked ship you can find. NOT a hauler and not a Kestrel (as evidenced by the fool who lost 74 PLEX) You will be ganked. Be warned.
Or if you're a real pro then you first undock in a shuttle and simply wait until you are a good 200-300km off the station (without changing your direction). Then create a bookmark and call it "INSTA UNDOCK Jita 4-4 CNA". Now you can simply undock that expensive ship, right click empty space, warp to the insta undock and you are pretty much immune to war targets camping or people trying to suicide you on the undock (you will warp instantly without becoming lockable since you are unlockable for 30 sec after undock and are already alligned and at full speed to the undock bookmark). ___________________ "It was mentioned by CCP that the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features."
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Arcana Mortis
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Posted - 2010.08.21 11:53:00 -
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I think we can all agree that whoever was flying the Kestrel'o PLEX was not a pro.
Awesome plan, btw. Will definitely implement if I ever have to undock shinies in Jita.
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rootimus maximus
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.08.21 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Shooting Man KNOWN SCAMMERS -Almost everyone in Jita
Fixed that for you.
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Muul Udonii
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.08.21 13:01:00 -
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I've often managed to scam the scammers. You send them a small amount of isk; say 500k, and give the reason as 'Testing if you are for real'. They then send back 1mil thinking you will send over even more.
Then you don't.
Not a lot, but it makes me smile whenever it works.
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W3370Pi4
ExoGeni Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.08.21 13:17:00 -
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or you can make it easy on yourself and
Join the "Legit Trading" Channel - http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1016265
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.08.21 13:24:00 -
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Let's add a few more:
Courier contracts into lowsec/0.0. A player creates a courier contract with excessive collateral and decent reward, going to a lowsec system with only one entrance. He waits on the entrance with a gang for the unsuspecting hauler. The hauler dies and loses the collateral. A variant of this sends the courier into a highsec system, but one that is only connected to the empire via a lowsec route. This way, both endpoints on the contract appear safe. Always check the entire route before accepting a courier contract! The last variant is sending the courier into a 0.0 outpost, where you can not dock at all unless you have good standings with the owning alliance.
Buy contracts disguised as sell ones (or the reverse). A player advertises, "WTB PLEX, 350M - my account expires today!" and links a contract. The contract is in fact selling a PLEX. The victim sees a potential for quick profit, but instead of making 350M he buys an overpriced PLEX. Remember: Green text = you get, red text = you give.
Selling cheaper items disguised as more expensive ones. The icon for normal TI items is the same as for their faction variants, so after a quick look at the "Dread Gurista Shield Amplifier 20M" you might miss that it is a regular Shield Amplifier I being sold. Similarly, it is sometimes difficult to tell a BPC from a BPO in a contract; or a 1-run BPC from a 100-run one. Always check thoroughly what you buy! It is better to miss that opportunity to save 30M than to lose 500M to a scam.
Missing ship in the contract. I've seen this done with a Hulk, as this needs a believable reason to dump a ton of different items in the contract with the ship. The contract said "Hulk + fitting + TII lasers + all ore mining crystals + compression BPs". It contained about two pages of the aforementioned stuff, but no actual Hulk.
"Yard sales". This can be a scam or it can be genuine. A player announces that he is clearing his hangar for whatever reason (this is quite common in 0.0 after an outpost takeover) and lists a ton of items for what looks a decent price. The victim thinks, "I'll pay 20M and receive a lot of stuff, some of it will definitely be worth it". In fact, the scammer had calculated the price of the items and is selling them for much more.
Trade window scams. It is possible to change the contents of the trade window, even after one of the parties has agreed to the trade. The scammer will simply remove their items from the window a split second before confirming it. Never use the trade window, except for people you really trust.
All of the above are really simple and easy to avoid if you check what you are buying/selling. Sadly, there is always a lot of... "differently abled" people in the busiest trade hubs who fall for them every day. Then there is a whole chapter of scams that are actually thought out. You won't know it's a scam until you (or worse, your corp) are out of ships and out of ISK. I won't name any as I don't want to teach and encourage people to do it. I also like to keep my secrets secret. ___________ EVE is dying! Now for real! |
Sash Windu
Gallente The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2010.08.21 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Shooting Man SCAM 7 The Scam: The I will double your ISK scam The Notes: Someone will post in local saying im bored of the game or im feeling generous etc etc, I have 6 Billion ISK I am giving away, Send me some ISK and I will double it in return blah blah - They wont return the ISK - Dont fall for it
This have never happened to me. I have always got my 0.02 ISK back.
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omgfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.08.21 14:24:00 -
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Scam 10
The scammer will buy up all units of a very cheap, but very rare item, in all trade hubs. Then, he will ship them all to a trade hub and relist them at a HUGE price increase, for example a 300k item might be increased to 30mil. He will then create a WTB contract in that trade hub for a large quantity of these items, for example he might want to buy 100 of the item (which he listed for 30mil) for 4 billion isk. He expects people to notice that they can make 1bil quickly from this contract, and buy the items to sell to his 4bil WTB to make a quick billion. As soon as the 30mil sell order is bought from (he'll be watching his wallet), he will take down the WTB contract, and he will have scammed a HUGE amount of isk from an unlucky profiteer. This is however a very high risk scam as there is the chance someone may for some reason have a stockpile of the item.
I was VERY impressed when I saw this scam in action and I almost fell for it myself.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2010.08.21 14:44:00 -
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I simply minimize Jita local chat before I jump into Jita, then when I jump out, I put the local chat window back up.
Never been scammed. I am crediting this to the local chat minimizing tactic if you don't mind.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.08.21 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: omgfreemoniez Scam 10
See, this is why I think every scammer has earned his ISK in some way.
All the other scams are down to people being pants-on-head morons and are 107% avoidable by doing things like, oh, using the market, or using contracts to find what they need ù they deserve to be robbed blind, and the scammer in question has earned his right to their stuff. This scam, on the other hand, involves some careful planning and execution on the scammer's part, and he has thus earned his ISK for that reason.
All in all: scamming, for the lack of a better term, is good. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.08.21 15:34:00 -
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The one I get the most is in an evemail when I visit a hub. I can't believe people spend a million ISK to spam me with this:
"I am moving to lowsec and selling Xexpensive shipX for .5 market value. All of my contracts are full so contact me in game."
Lol. Sometimes i make a wtb contract for that, or i send back an email:
"what a great scam! Will you teach me how to run it for XXisk?"
I have never had a reply of any kind.
When you say "fanboi" try to picture a fat man doing burlesque with 2 big ass fans that say CCP on one and HTFU on the other. Because that dude is me. |
MoeJoe Green
Gallente Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.08.21 15:42:00 -
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It that a list of scams that the OP has fallen for?
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Jaisan
Minmatar Ulysses Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.08.21 15:53:00 -
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Rememer anything that Miilla is offering is always a scam.
Fed up trying to stop noobs from being scammed by her when I am in the Rens area.
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Pax Leo
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Posted - 2010.08.21 18:11:00 -
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Thumbs up for this idea. Could you please convince Jita local to read this ?
Stay in Jita local for 6 hours and you will see all these scams...
Im not a noob - but if i were, reading this post would have helped me a lot.. Some of the scams are quite advanced, comparing what you learn in tutorial..
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Taedrin
Gallente White Haven Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.21 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: omgfreemoniez Scam 10
The scammer will buy up all units of a very cheap, but very rare item, in all trade hubs. Then, he will ship them all to a trade hub and relist them at a HUGE price increase, for example a 300k item might be increased to 30mil. He will then create a WTB contract in that trade hub for a large quantity of these items, for example he might want to buy 100 of the item (which he listed for 30mil) for 4 billion isk. He expects people to notice that they can make 1bil quickly from this contract, and buy the items to sell to his 4bil WTB to make a quick billion. As soon as the 30mil sell order is bought from (he'll be watching his wallet), he will take down the WTB contract, and he will have scammed a HUGE amount of isk from an unlucky profiteer. This is however a very high risk scam as there is the chance someone may for some reason have a stockpile of the item.
I was VERY impressed when I saw this scam in action and I almost fell for it myself.
That's not a scam. We call that market PvP ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Ryhss
Caldari Ominous Corp Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2010.08.21 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Shooting Man If you see any of the below from anyone just block them and anything being offered in local ignore them.
Short version.
The existence of contract search and of the market means the good deals can be found without listening to spam.
I never read local. I only do contracts, it seems much harder to scam that way. Unless you miss a 0 or 2 on a WTB and sell a PLEX for 380000 [url=http://eve-kill.net?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=401687] [/url] What the smeging smeg?!
Originally by: Gneeznow damn goons what a bunch of jerks!
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Wacktopia
Bi-Tech Theory Focused Intentions
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Posted - 2010.08.22 00:20:00 -
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THese are obvious scams. There are lots more around that catch people out every day.
If you're worried, drop me a message in game - I have some guides...
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Frozean
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Posted - 2010.08.22 03:25:00 -
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Edited by: Frozean on 22/08/2010 03:26:53 Another important Scam
11) Lets 1v1 PvP, no ECM (or no reps, or no wateva)
Remember, in EVE, 1v1 is ALWAYS a scam. If you really want to 1v1, make sure you make some checks on his background, the following must hold before someone can be deemed trustworthy for 1v1.
1) He must be in an NPC corp, If he changed corps more then 3 times, dont fight him. If he never changed corps, dont fight him.
2) He must be not in a fleet, ask him to join fleet and leave
3) He must not be in a system HE sets in, move to a random different system
4) Check his killboard. If any of his kills are more then 2v1, Dont fight him. If any of his kills is in lowsec, Dont fight him. If any of his kills is an industrial, Dont fight him
5) Make sure his security status is 5.0
6) Check his date of creation of character. If its 3+ years old, then dont fight him
7) Check eve-board. If his character is there, that means he bought the character. Dont fight him
8) Check his faction standings. If none of his faction standings is more then 9.0, he probably doesnt care about his character so dont fight him.
9) Check his NPC standings. If less then 8 corps are 10.00, then dont fight him with the reason above
10) If the above are all pass, Always bring three warp core stabilisers for the first fight to deem him trustworthy. Fit an excellent tank, allign, and let him scram you and web you. If you go into hull without him asking for help, then warp out, and bring a real pvp ship.
11) remember. its always easier to refuse all 1v1.
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Clueless Alt
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Posted - 2010.08.22 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Frozean [...]
What a bunch of pathetic clichT...
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Frozean
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Posted - 2010.08.22 04:32:00 -
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Edited by: Frozean on 22/08/2010 04:33:01 ... continued from above...
12) Ask him for a trust refferal before doing a 1v1. Ask him to name one of his friend. Start interogating the friend
12a) Ask the friend if the guy is trustworthy. Does he have violent tendencies? Does he swear a lot? 12b) Look at his friends Corp. If its NPC, dont 1v1 the guy 12c) If his friend has a corp, ask his corpmates if the guy is trustworthy and a good guy. If he cant mention any, or they cant, dont 1v1 him 12d) look at his friends corp tax. is it 0%? is it 20%? the best value is something between 4 and 8% 12e) Look at his friends corp alliances. Is it a big alliance? You might find trustworthy one's in high sec alliances with 2000+ players. 13) Check all public contracts of the guy, his friends, and his friends corpmates. Does it has "scamming contracts"
14) Double check his forum account. Is there lots of smack talk? if yes, dont. If its not active at all? dont 1v1. If he never uses trade/mission complex/ship and modules section? Then dont 1v1.
15) Double check his friends and his corp mates forum account. Are they active? if not, dont 1v1.
16) Is the 1v1 will be in low sec? If yes, its better not to 1v1.
17) YOU will always be the cargo dropper. Randomly warp to a point in the solar system to buy yourself some time in case he is a real scammer.
Good luck doing 1v1 PVP!! Just remember! its always more profitable blobbing. And eve is about profit. So be careful and fly safe o7
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Clueless Alt
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Posted - 2010.08.22 04:34:00 -
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0.5/100, for effort.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.22 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: omgfreemoniez Scam 10
The scammer will buy up all units of a very cheap, but very rare item, in all trade hubs. Then, he will ship them all to a trade hub and relist them at a HUGE price increase, for example a 300k item might be increased to 30mil. He will then create a WTB contract in that trade hub for a large quantity of these items, for example he might want to buy 100 of the item (which he listed for 30mil) for 4 billion isk. He expects people to notice that they can make 1bil quickly from this contract, and buy the items to sell to his 4bil WTB to make a quick billion. As soon as the 30mil sell order is bought from (he'll be watching his wallet), he will take down the WTB contract, and he will have scammed a HUGE amount of isk from an unlucky profiteer. This is however a very high risk scam as there is the chance someone may for some reason have a stockpile of the item.
I was VERY impressed when I saw this scam in action and I almost fell for it myself.
This is not a scam. This is the basis of free market enterprise. Buy Low. Sell High.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2010.08.22 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Muul Udonii I've often managed to scam the scammers. You send them a small amount of isk; say 500k, and give the reason as 'Testing if you are for real'. They then send back 1mil thinking you will send over even more.
Then you don't.
Not a lot, but it makes me smile whenever it works.
Most people are greedy though, they think ok he sent back 500k will he double it if i send 10mil... ...and the "scammers" send back 20mil. Then the greedy mark thinks hmm wonder what happens if i send 100mil...
success 100times in your lol 1mil for 500k giggle means the "scammer" is still making a 100% mark up if one greedy mark sends 100mil
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