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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2010.07.27 22:32:00 -
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Is it arrogance, stubbornness or incompetence that drives CCP to ignore the 100+ pages of player feedback regarding priorities on fixing bugs&glitches lag (that ruin 0.0-warfare, faction warfare, low-sec PvP, et al) and the GUI?
Arrogance meaning: "The players don't really know or understand the game they're playing and what will make it successful in the future"
Stubbornness meaning: "The path we have chosen have to play out first, we care about the feedback, but we have to go in the direction we planned."
Incompetence: "Those aren't really issues, it's just a vocal minority. We actually are excellent right now."
So which one is it?
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Terbulus
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Posted - 2010.07.27 22:36:00 -
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First reply in a bug QQ thread!
I know there have been dozens of other similar threads, but really, this one is the best.
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Hari Markkus
Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2010.07.27 22:52:00 -
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Maybe the reason is:-
Contractual Obligations: Incarna and DUST have to be shipped by agreed deadlines, or the penalties will be severe.
I have no clue if this is closer to the truth than the OPs suggestions, but I am sure the real reason is going to be a mixture of many reasons.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2010.07.27 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Hari Markkus Maybe the reason is:-
Contractual Obligations: Incarna and DUST have to be shipped by agreed deadlines, or the penalties will be severe.
Stubbornness masked as 'good business' then. Gotcha.
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Blnukem 192
Amarr Malevolent Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.27 23:04:00 -
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We'll have our answers SoonÖ, hopefully...
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Richard Christy
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Posted - 2010.07.27 23:07:00 -
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Please do not criticise anything. Ever.
ibtl.
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Shawna Gray
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.27 23:09:00 -
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All of the above. Putting more artists and web developers on the issue will solve it shortly.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.27 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Is it arrogance, stubbornness or incompetence that drives CCP to ignore the 100+ pages of player feedback regarding priorities on fixing bugs&glitches lag (that ruin 0.0-warfare, faction warfare, low-sec PvP, et al) and the GUI?
Arrogance meaning: "The players don't really know or understand the game they're playing and what will make it successful in the future"
Stubbornness meaning: "The path we have chosen have to play out first, we care about the feedback, but we have to go in the direction we planned."
Incompetence: "Those aren't really issues, it's just a vocal minority. We actually are excellent right now."
So which one is it?
They don't, so your whole post is troll trash. I am ashamed for even having to point it out and i am washing my own mouth out with soap just for conversing with you. This is clearly a signature. |
Zarak1 Kenpach1
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.07.27 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 on 27/07/2010 23:15:16 CCP got in bed with the big boys and now your surprised that we're all getting crapped on now.
Besides, The box versions of eve that were released in late 09 winter have already been taken off the shelves at almost every major retailer in the USA. Including but not limited to Best Buy and Wal-Mart. Obviously, the games peaked and there will not be any real major influx of new players again. At least, not till incarna. Which is why this company seems to be pushing it so much harder than before. It's shoddy short sighted management and they will pay the price when the population is down to 10k daily again.
This company is just buying time at this point and does not appear to be working since some of the most prominent CEO's in eve's subscriber base are starting to make waves for them.
CCP, you are fools to think that you can get away with ignoring your joe shmo subscribers and get away with it for much longer.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.07.27 23:20:00 -
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Considering the title, I thought this thread would be about me...
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League Eternal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.07.27 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador Considering the title, I thought this thread would be about me...
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Cuchulain Spartan
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Posted - 2010.07.28 01:14:00 -
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CCP has committed a lot to Dust and come Hell or High Water they are going to make it happen. If these means burning a few bridges with the current player base then so be it. CCP has messed up plenty in the past but the majority of the player base still subs, CCP knows this and we know the players know this.
There hasn't been a mass exodus of players in Eve ever to my knowledge so CCP are hedging their bets that they can push on with Dust while neglecting the loyal players of Eve and hope the Dust becomes their Golden Goose, then work on picking up the pieces with the original player base when the " Dust " has settled. We the players have proven that we wont quit Eve when CCP screws up so they are using this to their advantage.
It's a clever business decision made by 1 or 2 people at the top to maximise profits.
CCP Lacky: "Sir sir, the players are starting to rage again!!!"
CCP Boss Man: " Hmmm, Well, the players have never quit before so lets push on with Dust and devote all our resources to Dust and put Eve on the back burner, its not like they are going to suddenly starting quitting on mass, they never have and never will. Eve works good enough for now, we can fix Eve 12 months after we release Dust because we'll need to polish Dust first to keep the Dusties playing. Oh, and if the Eve players start getting rowdy again just try distract them, maybe dangle a shiney free ship in front of then, ask them to write stories for us about a single screenshot or how about some kind off swap meet thingy? Smoke and mirrors my young Lacky, smoke and mirrors"
CCP Lacky: "Good thinking Boss Man, I'll make a few remixes of HTFU just incase the other distractions aren't enough, maybe a techo and metal version"
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Jade Kitana
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Posted - 2010.07.28 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Is it arrogance, stubbornness or incompetence that drives CCP to ignore the 100+ pages of player feedback regarding priorities on fixing bugs&glitches lag (that ruin 0.0-warfare, faction warfare, low-sec PvP, et al) and the GUI?
Arrogance meaning: "The players don't really know or understand the game they're playing and what will make it successful in the future"
Stubbornness meaning: "The path we have chosen have to play out first, we care about the feedback, but we have to go in the direction we planned."
Incompetence: "Those aren't really issues, it's just a vocal minority. We actually are excellent right now."
So which one is it?
You are assuming that it is one of the 3, but I don't think the real issue is even listed.
Some players think that if they can drum up enough noise that they can overcome their vocal minority. Many of us can see this, but go ahead and let the drama continue, as it always has.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.07.28 02:52:00 -
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It is arrogant, stubborn and incompetent to assume that enough players making enough noise will help CCPs developers solve problems faster.
CCP has committed to treating CSM as a bona fide stakeholder in the game, which is a huge step forward (even though to you and I it is inconceivable that the paying customers might not be stakeholders in a service).
The louder you ***** and moan, the harder it is for CCP to take you seriously. Find the CSM candidate that most actively supports your issues, let them know who you are and which issues you are most concerned about, pay attention to the CSM minutes and assembly hall, and become part of the solution rather than being part of the problem.
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Olleybear
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2010.07.28 03:17:00 -
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I thought the three choices were:
1) Beer 2) Hookers 3) Game development
Now obviously, when coding you need to increase your fortitude and stamina so you can stay locked away in the basement for weeks on end. The only way I know how to do that is with copious amounts of beer.
Saying that, beer only does so good for so long, A person locked in the basement coding needs a break everyonce in a while. Thats where the hookers come in. They provide a nice distraction to recharge your batteries so you can get back to coding.
Heres the unfortunate part. After spending isk on beer and hookers, there simply isn't enough left for game development.
Can anyone here honestly say that they can't understand, and dare I say it, wouldn't themselves do the exact same thing as outlined above? I know I would.
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shinaide
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Posted - 2010.07.28 03:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Arrogance meaning: "The players don't really know or understand the game they're playing and what will make it successful in the future"
This isn't arrogance. This is fact. Players understand the game and how it relates directly to them. Even if a player can claim to understand the ins and outs of the game, they will never have a 100% grasp of how it is implemented. 100+ pages of sweet ideas means all for nothing if it isn't feasible to implement in the first place.
It is like any "Game dev" project I get invited to work on. Everybody spends 100% of the time debating high level "how the game should work" bs or discussing fluff like lore and setting. I end up being the only one who ever gets to the grunt work and designs it. Every time they want magical systems and don't realize how doing is much more complex then just planning.
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Zartrader
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Posted - 2010.07.28 03:54:00 -
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Edited by: Zartrader on 28/07/2010 03:56:16 The forums does not represent the majority of players who are happily getting on with playing. If a developer listens to the forums only they would fail as we all post moans to push our agenda (with me it update UI and remove learning skills)
Forum posts are useful for CCP but they would be fools to take it out of context of the whole player base so they use other stats to get info to make decisions.
As and example , the CSM rarely says anything I have a remote interest in, they all seem to be from nul sex Alliances as they have the voting power. They do not represent me at all or my interest in this game. It's just one source of many CCP get feedback from though.
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