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Atomos Darksun
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Posted - 2010.07.25 16:07:00 -
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OH GOD
THE MIND****
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The complexity of the movie was something that really entertained me. The fact that they didn't waste time with transitions was also refreshing - just jump from scene to scene.
Ending: I'm not one to pull hairs out over such a thing. Was just amused by it.
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2010.07.25 16:16:00 -
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It's absolutely worth watching. I'm sooo tempted to go and watch it again, just to get all the details I missed first time around
The complexity is definitely what really makes it a winner. The movie was visually pleasing and very well-done overall. However without the depth, it would be just another generic movie.
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Dan O'Connor
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Posted - 2010.07.25 17:09:00 -
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Saw it yesterday, I only say this:
Mind = BLOWN
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2010.07.25 17:14:00 -
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So you're saying it's complex, then maybe the movies isn't the place to watch it, given the asshats bound to be found there.
Download?
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Meiyang Lee
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Posted - 2010.07.25 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 25/07/2010 17:21:21
Originally by: CCP Stillman It's absolutely worth watching. I'm sooo tempted to go and watch it again, just to get all the details I missed first time around
The complexity is definitely what really makes it a winner. The movie was visually pleasing and very well-done overall. However without the depth, it would be just another generic movie.
The story is indeed quite complicated, but not that hard to follow provided you're paying attention, and use your brain. This is definitely not a film to watch drunk or stoned. Saw it last night with my brother in a theatre with about 7 others, I love small town cinema's.
But I'm can't wait for this to come out on DVD so I can watch it some more.
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CCP Stillman
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Posted - 2010.07.25 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron So you're saying it's complex, then maybe the movies isn't the place to watch it, given the asshats bound to be found there.
Download?
I'd definitely advice against not watching it at a theater.
The movie lends itself very well to the big screen. For instance, the where the surrounding fruit-stands starts popping out while they sit at a cafe, really works very well on the big screen.
So watch it in the theater, and then get it on blu-ray. I'm certainly gonna pick it up once it's released.
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Miz Cenuij
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Posted - 2010.07.25 20:54:00 -
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I watched it in IMAX.
It is the best movie of the past few years and now firmly amongst my all time best movies.
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2010.07.25 21:58:00 -
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I think after watching this I've confirmed my fear; I don't like Christopher Nolan's story endings.
There is just something wrong with the way his films end.
Every film he has written/directed; I have enjoyed whilst watching it, but the second it ends and I start making my way through the crowds, chewing on the final few pop corns that feel like they are going to make a new home somewhere between my left molars, I immediately start to take his films apart.
I think the problem I have is they just don't make much sense once you say "Why didn't the main character do X or Y? Instead of going on a longer and drawn out way to resolve the predicament they were in?". At the same time I'm doing this; the lush visuals, excellent acting and haunting music is still ringing in my head, trying to tell the inquisitive side of my head to stfu.
The Prestige: If the idea of 'the bad guy' is to be the greatest illusionist ever, why did he not just duplicate himself once and do the trick from there? To be the only one? The only one who gets the applause? Not buying it; especially if the only other option is to hire 5-10 blind people to carry the water-drowned body of each and everyone of your duplicates to some place...and then store them. Not the greatest ending, based on an unbelievable plot turn.
I loved that film, but hated the way in ended.
And now we have another Christopher Nolan film, which (as I already said) I enjoyed watching: But I feel cheated, because the motivation of the bad guy was unconvincing, based on the choice they make to resolve their problem.
So, Saito has an issue with Robert Fischer and doesn't want to compete with him in some kind of business-sense-of-the-word 'compete' so, he decides to hire someone to infiltrate his mind, 3 levels inside, to plant an idea that will grow and gestate to dominate his life, changing the way that person sees the world and so, eliminates a threat to his business world. And he decides to come along for the ride, on an Airplane no less, and sits right next to Robert Fischer (who for some reason does not know who Saito is) and also takes part in the crime itself.
Why didn't he just get someone to kill him? Like, what he did to the first architect?
That is the bit that didn't make any sense to me - everything else about the film was very good though and I would recommend anyone watching it.
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Vogue
Skynet Nexus
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Posted - 2010.07.25 22:02:00 -
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Inception is a good film but not great. I was hoping for something that had the brilliant depth of Ghost In The Shell but it was not. It is somewhat poncy with people in sharp cloths and settings coming out with not awe inspiring lines.
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.07.25 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue Inception is a good film but not great. I was hoping for something that had the brilliant depth of Ghost In The Shell but it was not. It is somewhat poncy with people in sharp cloths and settings coming out with not awe inspiring lines.
It does explore the psyche of the mind though, the way we dream, the meaning, how it's perceived and how we possibly create the world(s) in our dreams. I was blown away by it and will most certainly get it on DVD.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2010.07.26 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: AlleyKat I think after watching this I've confirmed my fear; I don't like Christopher Nolan's story endings.
There is just something wrong with the way his films end.
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The Prestige: If the idea of 'the bad guy' is to be the greatest illusionist ever, why did he not just duplicate himself once and do the trick from there? To be the only one? The only one who gets the applause? Not buying it; especially if the only other option is to hire 5-10 blind people to carry the water-drowned body of each and everyone of your duplicates to some place...and then store them. Not the greatest ending, based on an unbelievable plot turn.
I loved that film, but hated the way in ended.
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AK
Haven't seen Inception. Probably watch it some time on DVD.
But - yeah - I just saw The Prestige on TV and ... had pretty much the same reaction.
It's like it was initially a very effective ending ... but after a few seconds ... you stop and then start thinking about it ...
Of course ... that was still better than American Beauty ... here I thought I was watching a film about some guys mid life crisis ... and no ... I was watching a political tract ... *shakes head sadly*
But it does happen a lot where some guy makes a decent movie but can't pull of the end.
Another thing I've noticed is that there are a lot of movies that have a good set up - the part where they introduce you to what's going on ... but ... then they actually get into the heart of the movie and it's just a bunch of crap ... or ... if not a bunch of crap ... not worthy of the excellent beginning. Sometimes ... this happens and you can sort of tell where they ran out of money ...
*shrug*
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Toshiro GreyHawk
Originally by: AlleyKat waffle
But it does happen a lot where some guy makes a decent movie but can't pull of the end.
Another thing I've noticed is that there are a lot of movies that have a good set up - the part where they introduce you to what's going on ... but ... then they actually get into the heart of the movie and it's just a bunch of crap ... or ... if not a bunch of crap ... not worthy of the excellent beginning. Sometimes ... this happens and you can sort of tell where they ran out of money ...
*shrug*
I think this is part of movie making.
Scripts are written long before the actual film is produced, and there are potentially hundreds of people which can, and will, rip a script apart based on market research or any number of films that were produced with ægood numbersÆ on their opening weekend.
The other main problem is the shooting schedule itself, as there is rarely ever any continuity between the first scene you film and the first scene the audience watch. Because of this, any director is pretty much leaving a lot of the story to fate, hoping that it will all slice together nicely once the editing process begins.
In addition to this, the studio will get to see ædailiesÆ of the film and have any number of criticisms and comments regarding anything from the choice of lenses the DP chose for a shot, to the hair style of the leading man.
The whole process therefore is fragmented, fractured and generally ****** up before anyone actually asks the question ôWhat impact is this making to the story?ö.
ItÆs not running out of money, its losing sight of the story.
No story, or, unconvincing story = no movie. And no amount of hype can stop that fact from becoming a reality.
AK
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Winged Crime
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.26 13:03:00 -
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After hearing what people were saying about this, I went and saw it.
I was expecting something much more complex, but it was pretty simple. To be negative for a moment, a lot of it was pretty contrived and borderline cheesy but - it was a good watch.
The photography and production work alone makes it worth while. And the story is good enough to deserve a watch.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
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Posted - 2010.07.26 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: AlleyKat think the problem I have is they just don't make much sense once you say "Why didn't the main character do X or Y? Instead of going on a longer and drawn out way to resolve the predicament they were in?".
I ask myself the same question when watching others play chess. The answer is actually simple. Trolls? In my EVE forums? It's more likely than you think...
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Originally by: AlleyKat waffles
I ask myself the same question when watching others play chess. The answer is actually simple.
I play chess to take the King in the least number of moves as possible; not to take every piece in rank order because it happens to be on the board.
Characters who make decisions to take a course of action which is wildly contrived and go against our natural instinctsÆ make for poor characters as an audience will have a lack of empathy towards them.
It is human nature to take the shortest path to achieve a goal, not the longest. This is because we are designed not to expend more energy than the object or goal yields.
Why do you think people playing EVE concern themselves with the balance of risk versus reward?
Is it worth spending 4 hours camping Jita 4-4 for predatory cargo? Or is it worth me campaign a gate in no-mans-land between 2 alliances, on the off-chance that some unlucky hauler with no backup jumps in, on their way to drop off ammo for the front lines?
Think about it: we are predators at heart, and no one would go to all of the trouble that one of the main characters did to eliminate a business threat, with that much risk involved.
Film is great, but the theory behind the story design is poorly executed.
AK
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Marconus Orion
D00M.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: Marconus Orion on 26/07/2010 19:30:25
Originally by: Wendat Huron Download?
It is only in the theater right now. Pirating is illegal you cheap son a *****! It is well worth every cent you spend so don't give me that, "But I don't want to pay for a movie/song/etc if it's not good." criminal line.
****ing pathetic.
Originally by: AlleyKat and no one would go to all of the trouble that one of the main characters did to eliminate a business threat, with that much risk involved.
Never underestimate the lengths of what people will do for anything.. And that risk your talking about was after the fact.
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Graelyn
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2010.07.26 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: AlleyKat Think about it: we are predators at heart, and no one would go to all of the trouble that one of the main characters did to eliminate a business threat, with that much risk involved.
7 years of EVE has taught me otherwise.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.26 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
Originally by: AlleyKat Think about it: we are predators at heart, and no one would go to all of the trouble that one of the main characters did to eliminate a business threat, with that much risk involved.
7 years of EVE has taught me otherwise.
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2010.07.26 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Graelyn
Originally by: AlleyKat waffles
7 years of EVE has taught me otherwise.
It's taught me the opposite - the way people are in EVE has zero bearing on who they are in real life. If it did, no one would play the game to be someone they already are...would they?
You don't play a sports game because you are already a professional athlete who is in the peak of physical condition and can run the 100m sprint in under ten seconds getting ready for the Olympics, do you?
No one in the game of EVE is anything more than the alter ego of themselves; allowing them to be a thief, mercenary, pirate, industrialist. This does not mean that anyone in EVE is any of these things in real life, skilled or not. That's why they are playing EVE - to be something either more than they are or can be in real life. It's called a fantasy. How many people do you know that play EVE and have a 'mission runner account'; whilst their 'main' is an ebil pirate?
If a story is to be believable, then the people in it must be believable - and the biggest way to gauge someone is in what they do when faced with a decision. And this is my whole problem, the decision this guy makes is not convincing and goes against everything that would make sense when anyone in the same position is faced with the same question [its not even a dilemma] 'How do I eliminate this threat to my business, with the least amount of effort or risk, but with the highest gain?'
My answer [based on the actions of the character up to this point in time whilst this story design is in its infancy] would be to have someone just kill him off with the least amount of loose ends as possible.
It just makes more sense. But don't blame me; I didn't write the character being being a ruthless businessman who [apparently] doesn't give a hoot about anyone else and is seen ordering his goons to murder the original architect [or so we are led to believe].
Look, I'm happy to debate this, but my impression of the story is that it's flawed - but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy watching it, as I'm sure anyone who watches this will feel they got their money's worth.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2010.07.26 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Marconus Orion Edited by: Marconus Orion on 26/07/2010 19:30:25
Originally by: Wendat Huron Download?
It is only in the theater right now. Pirating is illegal you cheap son a *****! It is well worth every cent you spend so don't give me that, "But I don't want to pay for a movie/song/etc if it's not good." criminal line.
****ing pathetic.
I download tons of movies and series, movies and series I would not otherwise watch as I do have other things to spend that money on and my local outlets doesn't necessarily provide me with what I'm interested in.
'Well worth' is a stretch, it was the ol' 'the cake is a lie' bit but with layers of layers of cake, it got a bit much. It's nowhere near the masterpiece that is Vanilla Sky and that's even a dumbed down remake...
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Atomos Darksun
D00M. Excessum Messor
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Posted - 2010.07.27 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: Atomos Darksun on 27/07/2010 02:57:00
Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Graelyn
Originally by: AlleyKat waffles
7 years of EVE has taught me otherwise.
It's taught me the opposite - the way people are in EVE has zero bearing on who they are in real life. If it did, no one would play the game to be someone they already are...would they?
You don't play a sports game because you are already a professional athlete who is in the peak of physical condition and can run the 100m sprint in under ten seconds getting ready for the Olympics, do you?
No one in the game of EVE is anything more than the alter ego of themselves; allowing them to be a thief, mercenary, pirate, industrialist. This does not mean that anyone in EVE is any of these things in real life, skilled or not. That's why they are playing EVE - to be something either more than they are or can be in real life. It's called a fantasy. How many people do you know that play EVE and have a 'mission runner account'; whilst their 'main' is an ebil pirate?
If a story is to be believable, then the people in it must be believable - and the biggest way to gauge someone is in what they do when faced with a decision. And this is my whole problem, the decision this guy makes is not convincing and goes against everything that would make sense when anyone in the same position is faced with the same question [its not even a dilemma] 'How do I eliminate this threat to my business, with the least amount of effort or risk, but with the highest gain?'
My answer [based on the actions of the character up to this point in time whilst this story design is in its infancy] would be to have someone just kill him off with the least amount of loose ends as possible.
It just makes more sense. But don't blame me; I didn't write the character being being a ruthless businessman who [apparently] doesn't give a hoot about anyone else and is seen ordering his goons to murder the original architect [or so we are led to believe].
Look, I'm happy to debate this, but my impression of the story is that it's flawed - but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy watching it, as I'm sure anyone who watches this will feel they got their money's worth.
AK
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I'm just going to throw this out here to **** your entire argument(Add: In regards to this movie).
If he would have had the son killed, then in all likelihood, Robert Browning would have inherited the estate...the entire Empire. Now, this is the guy who has spent his entire career with the Dad building it up. Why would HE ever want to split it up? Wouldn't he just, you know, prefer to keep it has one giant monopolistic block and completely smother Saito's business?
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2010.07.27 03:27:00 -
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Wait, what? When in the movie did they kill people in the real world?
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.07.27 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: Intense Thinker on 27/07/2010 03:29:55
Originally by: Wendat Huron Wait, what? When in the movie did they kill people in the real world?
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Zumra
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Posted - 2010.07.27 05:09:00 -
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Saw the movie when it came out last week, meh.
Thought it was entirely too predictable from the entire first scene, (I had no idea what the movie was about and I already new they were most likely [inside of inside] as it is a grossly overused scenario, with scenarios dealing with what the movie deals with} <==I am proud to give no spoilers to the ending scene, as I knew what note they were going to end the movie on half way through.
The entire premise of what they were trying to do was really simple, they were all just trying to make it appear more complicated then it was, squirming in a few glaring plot holes and issues of continuity along the way.
I am glad that they did not attempt to explain the science behind what they were trying to do as the little science they did use in the movie only works if you have already fallen down the rabbit hole and cannot find your way out. (but that could be the point )
In conclusion it was a nice action movie with communicative parts between fight scenes that were more then just grunts (not saying that is a good thing) but if you are willing to suspend disbelief and let some of their leaps of logic slide there could be worse ways to spend two and a half hours.
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Marconus Orion
D00M. Excessum Messor
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Posted - 2010.07.27 05:15:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron I download tons of movies and series, movies and series I would not otherwise watch as I do have other things to spend that money on and my local outlets doesn't necessarily provide me with what I'm interested in.
Um, yeah... what you are doing is stealing. You trying to sugar coat the reasons why you think it is ok is pathetic. It is stealing. Plain and simple.
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2010.07.27 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Atomos Darksun
Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Graelyn
Originally by: AlleyKat waffles
7 years of EVE has taught me otherwise.
more waffles
*spoilers*
I'm just going to throw this out here to **** your entire argument (Add: In regards to this movie).
If he would have had the son killed, then in all likelihood, Robert Browning would have inherited the estate...the entire Empire. Now, this is the guy who has spent his entire career with the Dad building it up. Why would HE ever want to split it up? Wouldn't he just, you know, prefer to keep it has one giant monopolistic block and completely smother Saito's business?
He didnÆt look as if he had many more years in him tbh, but itÆs an interesting point negated by the fact that itÆs based on an assumption.
My point stands; Saito is billed to be a ruthless businessman, complete with goons/henchmen, ready to dispose of bodies on a whim. Would someone of this nature really spend some much effort and time on a chance that it might work?
And my other point also stands; Saito sits in an adjacent seat on the plane with this guy? IsnÆt he a well known ævery powerfulÆ businessman? AND they fly on a 747? Not even a private plane? Seriously?
Imagine Bill Gates sitting down on a plane and looking to his left to see Steve Jobs sat on the same planeàdonÆt you think they would at the very least recognise one another?
Pleaseà
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Slade Trillgon
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Posted - 2010.07.27 19:48:00 -
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It was a good movie but it was not really complicated. It was easy to follow and I pretty much called all the big things that occurred. Also, there were a few things I caught that bugged me. For example, when the forger was sitting in the garage in front of a set of mirrors and one of them shows his real face and the other shows him as Browing, and his projection in the dreamers mind had him as himself. That made absolutely no sense whatever and only seemed to be thrown in just to be cool and yet, in my opinion, was superfluous and actually hurts the film.
That all being said I enjoyed it and will be glad 20 years down the road that I saw it in a theater.
Slade
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brutoid
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.27 21:21:00 -
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So.... would the spinning top stop spinning?
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2010.07.27 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Marconus Orion Edited by: Marconus Orion on 27/07/2010 11:27:49
Originally by: Wendat Huron I download tons of movies and series, movies and series I would not otherwise watch as I do have other things to spend that money on and my local outlets doesn't necessarily provide me with what I'm interested in.
Um, yeah... what you are doing is stealing. Your trying to sugar coat the reasons why you think it is ok is pathetic. It is stealing. Plain and simple.
No-one is stopping the chinese from stealing, why shouldn't I? I see your pathetic and raise you a pitiful for barking at me when you're not over there in China smashing those pirate shops.
I guess they're just too important to the global economy to set straight...
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.27 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: brutoid So.... would the spinning top stop spinning?
That was also another weak aspect of the movie. When he spoke of the spinning top originally he said that it would not fall. Then at the very end it started to wobble and they cut it off like that was supposed to create some suspense. But to all who know anything about physics, know that for it to start to wobble means it is losing inertia and therfore will fall over, thus meaning that it was not a dream.
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