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biggestboobies
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Posted - 2010.07.25 05:40:00 -
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It is telling that the Orphanage cannot effectively squash a pvp alliance that is essentially, what, 1/5th its size. Now, it is not as though Snatch is hiding in stations or deep in 0.0. If that is not the case, which it is certainly is not, then what explains a Goliath of empire pvp like the 0rphanage being demolished by a David like Snatch?
First, not all the corporations in the 0rphange are awful. Project Nemesis is among the best merc corps in the game and relentless when it comes to killing hard to kill targets. Furthermore, select pilots in MBALM are superb, Rico Felix being one of them and Telshiah. Not to mention Helliot. These individuals are creative and driven at what they do. Others, like the Pit Boss and Viktor Vegas are sub par. The leader of an alliance flying a caracal to a fleet fight does not instill confidence in member pilots. And a sensor boosting, egomaniacal blow hard also does not make members feel squishy inside or bring out performance.
Now back to the central question: Why is a large empire pvp alliance having its a$# handed to it by an alliance with inferior numbers? I suggest to you that the answer to this question is found in the issue of quality. Now, there is quality in the 0rphange as I have said, but it is overpowered by rank mediocrity and noobishness. I would also add to this laziness. Sitting twenty ships on the Mad/Nia gate is a complete waste of resources and a mindless activity. It may garner some kills but not nurture skill in pilots.
The issue of quality is also directly related to a lack of good fleet commanders. I submit that there are less than five ôgoodö fleet commanders in the whole of the 0rphanage. On the other hand, Snatch certainly has more than five good fleet commanders in its roster and it shows in the statistics. Built into this lack of good leadership is an attitude among the 0rphanage of kill mail whoring. As stated before in this thread, there is no need for twenty people to be on a pod or a rookie ship. Finally, the largest corporation in the 0rphanage, MBALM, has an open-door recruitment policy, which means they take everyone from the best of the best to what one finds at the bottom of a barrel - brainless amoebas and used condoms. For example, it has been reported by anonymous sources that some members of MBALM ask on their alliance TS such whoppers as: ôIs it good to fit more than six sensor boosters on my ship?ö ôWhat does that red star mean?ö and the always comical, ôI canÆt understand why I couldnÆt dock. I stopped shooting. If you still have the guy pointed, you should be able to still dock, right?ö
To the best of my knowledge, Snatch has none of these problems and it shows in spades in the results, which are undisputable. If you have the isk, go with Snatch or even Solar Revenue Service, yet another example of the 0rphange not being able to curb stomp smaller but better organized and led opponents. I would add Everto Rex Regis to this list of quality. As it currently stands, the 0rphanage has some quality, principally in the form of the superb pilots of Project Nemesis. But the quality ends there and the mediocrity and stupidity begins and is endless.
Let the trolling begin!
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Tortugan
Internal Anarchy
WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.07.25 05:46:00 -
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Edited by: Tortugan on 25/07/2010 05:50:59
inb4 "Oh look- another thread talking about how much we fail. We must be doing something right"
Have to agree with the OP here about PRONS- they're about the only thing decent to happen to privs in 2 years.
:D
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Otocinclus
Minmatar
Project Nemesis
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.07.25 05:49:00 -
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While we're on the subject, thanks for the nice fight today snatch, was quite epic.
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Shirly Schmidt
Instant Annihilation
Everto Rex Regis
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Posted - 2010.07.25 05:50:00 -
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where is the "like this" button?
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H'ung D'ong
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.07.25 05:53:00 -
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I too, like big boobies.
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Ragenmeister
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Posted - 2010.07.25 05:58:00 -
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 Originally by: H'ung D'ong
I too, like big boobies.
To use a prons term 'Confirmed' :p
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Ala Bamma
Perkone
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Posted - 2010.07.25 06:14:00 -
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Does Snatch have such low esteem of it's self they have to constantly got thread to thread big noting them self's with alts ? lets talk FC's, Firnas lol that ends FC topic right there lol.
Snatch efficiency 49.1% - from Snatch KB
Orphanage efficiency 54.58% - from Orphanage KB
So you make up who is fail or who is uber,
BAMMA!
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CyberRaver
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
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Posted - 2010.07.25 09:16:00 -
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Nice you think you need to post this twice, i just hope your not a butthurt snatch player from last night as it was all gf's and a great battle
We must be doing something right :) lots of posts about us lately, so yeah troll on
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Makthrraaa
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.07.25 09:25:00 -
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Snatch got their arses handed to them yesterday evening, and they admitted as much on their vent post battle.
Interestingly, Snatch aren't bitter about their losses; why are you on their behalf?
Obvious troll is obvious. Snake pilot?
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Steintz
Gallente
Magnificent Beavers
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.07.25 09:37:00 -
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Interesting "article" by OP, should give some good discussions.
However it all fails when posting with an alt.
This topic is now about cake.
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Teh Paintress
Caldari Paint Supply
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Posted - 2010.07.25 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: Teh Paintress on 25/07/2010 09:50:53
Checking the boards on this... a cursory examination shows that the fight referenced was 20 Snatch against looks like 40 Orphanage.
It looks like Snatch killed 12 and lost 12. The only way I can see your stance of it being an ass kicking is that 3 of their ships were as expensive as your entire fleet. In my humble opinion, this is a flawed argument, as ISK is a relative thing, not a objective thing, so for some people billion isk ships are as throwaway as a typhoon. It also appears the extra expense allowed them to hold their own against twice the numbers.
Now I haven't thrown my hat into this whole mercenary commentary thats been going on in the forums for awhile now, but if I had to give an opinion of a fight in which someone fought 20 against 40, and brought billions of isk in ships and modules to the fight, I wouldn't go around saying they got their ass kicked. I'd be saying props.
Then again, I'd also say that I've never been impressed with Privateers, and Orphanage is basically Privateers with a Revlon Total-Makeover attached.
edit with better numbers. Killboard engagement can be found on orphanage's KB
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Makthrraaa
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.07.25 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Makthrraaa on 25/07/2010 09:56:28
Originally by: Teh Paintress
...Shows that the fight referenced was 20 Snatch and a good handful of neutral remote repping fa***ts against looks like 40 Orphanage.
It looks like Snatch killed 12 and lost 20, including a good number of said RemRep fa***ts.
edit with better numbers (which were still wrong).
Fixed it for you.
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CyberRaver
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
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Posted - 2010.07.25 10:02:00 -
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Actually the fight started with snatch blobbing a small camp on the ashab gate in mad, we had 12 mostly bcs and small ****, thye brought at least 5 neutral logistics pilots (whom we also killed) and the guys on the gate held as long as they could while we batphoned in the rest of the alliance
I flew 12 jumps to help out as the numbers at the time werent looking good
It was only due that we ended up with 40 people, the snatch guys also reshipped multiple times as the fight raged on for 20 minutes, with numbers growing steadily on each side
It was a great fight :)
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Rivqua
Caldari
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2010.07.25 10:15:00 -
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Confirming it was indeed the most awesomest of fights.
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--- Snatch Victory - Rivqua - Omega Wing ---
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.07.25 11:06:00 -
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Viktor Vegas gave me my first hatemail.
"You are a loud mouth C**T **** YOU."
I was ever so upset.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.25 11:07:00 -
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TL;DR.. So im gona give you 0/10 simply because you obviously tried too hard.
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San Severina
Minmatar
One Point 0
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Posted - 2010.07.25 11:39:00 -
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that hate mail of Gladys' shows genuine writing talent.
No sympathy for the Devil! Always remember that....
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Khul Drukath
Maelstrom Crew
Paradigm Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.25 13:13:00 -
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What's with this spate of badly named alts turning up trying to talk crap about things they don't understand? Every organisation has strengths and weaknesses. This is true of mercenary groups as well, but very few of those that I know about are not honest about this.
If this was a review of a contract given to them, or part of some sort of merc comparison to genuinely help the community then we would be sympathetic. Generally C+P are very accepting of those that want to help the community. This isn't even genuine discussion - this is just polished smack talk.
What is your point here?
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Juan Sezole
The Nintendo Generation
Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2010.07.25 14:53:00 -
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confirming that it was an epic fight, on of the funnest ive been in for a long long time. Also i do beleive that there is no glutious maximus related inflamation on our side, to be honest it was too much fun to really care who won or lost
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.07.25 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: biggestboobies
... more weekly tears ...
Who cares ...
Post with your main and earn some credibility ... otherwise STFU 
Thank-You,
The Pitboss
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Ja'Dur Deathwalker
Minmatar
Rookies Academy
Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.25 15:45:00 -
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Come on, they decced Gunmen of the apocalypse the other day who usually hang out in low sec not far from a high sec hub, and guess what, They didnt see a member of 0rphanage for the whole week they were decced.
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Klazktrknuitzksalikamono
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Posted - 2010.07.25 16:46:00 -
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I laugh at while they've killed twice their numbers in Orphanage targets, they're still failing hard because of all the faction/deadspace crap they have fitted.
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Artemis Rose
Urmaspar Team Drilling Conferdation
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Posted - 2010.07.25 16:55:00 -
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Next time you have a little bear tussle, be in the same fleet so your neutral RR knows when to rep ships on either side. That way nobody gets their feelings hurt!
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Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space
Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2
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Steintz
Gallente
Magnificent Beavers
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.07.25 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'Dur Deathwalker
Come on, they decced Gunmen of the apocalypse the other day who usually hang out in low sec not far from a high sec hub, and guess what, They didnt see a member of 0rphanage for the whole week they were decced.
Yes ... You are right
We only did 16 of them... Im deeply sorry.
Been more fun to see your alliance burn
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Steintz
Gallente
Magnificent Beavers
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.07.25 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Klazktrknuitzksalikamono
I laugh at while they've killed twice their numbers in Orphanage targets, they're still failing hard because of all the faction/deadspace crap they have fitted.
Youre right .. And you are ?
Post with your main if wanted to be taken sligthly serious.
Oh.. Btw .. troll - so people with deadspace/faction items fitted fails?
Lol - you really need to learn something it seems.
I hope for you, that someday you have finished your mining and can afford stuff other than T1 ...
Now admit, your puny comment was not all that thought trough, now was it?
Cake ?
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Otocinclus
Minmatar
Project Nemesis
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.07.25 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ja'Dur Deathwalker
Come on, they decced Gunmen of the apocalypse the other day who usually hang out in low sec not far from a high sec hub, and guess what, They didnt see a member of 0rphanage for the whole week they were decced.
We came in and broke up one of their fail Otou -> camps during that war. We would have gotten more kills, if their entire fleet hadn't warped out when we jumped in. At least do some research, check killboards, etc. before running your mouth here and in local.
At least Rookie empire showed that they're afraid to fight a single Vindicator with 15+ guys, we know these guys are the experts on pvp.
Keep running into your alt corp by the way, we'll throw a dec your way as well.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.07.25 18:35:00 -
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Aint nothing "wrong" with The 0rphanage that wasnt "wrong" with Privateers. It's the same operation except Pitboss is organizing it a little harder and they recruited Project Nemesis to be their PVP powerhouse. Pitboss is undercutting the market on price to the degree (the war dec cost) that only single corporations can compete with them (corps can wardec at 2m intervals instead of 50m).
Luckily, that's fine with the rest of us because it's pretty well established that you get what you pay for. I've looked at Ad0pt's killboard quite a lot and it seems evident to me that PRONS and a few outstanding pilots are producing most of the PVP output for the alliance. Relative to Privateers, i'd say they're more aggressive in pursuing targets outside of trade hubs and the pipe connecting Amarr to Jita. But they can only be so many places at once and "on" all the time, so you get a fair bit of inconsistency.
One week they'll get thrashed by REPO and the next be able to draw them out into a couple fights and whoop em. But throughout it all they may only be able to do a fraction of the cost of the wardec in damage to some of their other targets. But, again, you cant hire any alliance against a given target for less, so ISK/pilot and that they are more successful than not, they're really your best bet.
Now how they RECRUIT given that their pilots have to pay out of pokcetfor war decs (the non contract ones, their kb has 13 campaigns and 14 contracts at this time) while some merc corps pay their pilots is a whole other question
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Nalesh
The Children Of Gallifrey
Snatch Victory
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Posted - 2010.07.25 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Nalesh on 25/07/2010 18:37:58
-snip- Note to self, don't have 5 eveo tabs open at once 
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Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
I am literally the internet
Does that mean i'm shooting my packets into your inviting tubes?
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BossDrum
Project Nemesis
The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.07.25 18:50:00 -
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prons sucks, tbh confirmed lol pvp questionmark
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scram THEN web you tool
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Petrov Kreigt
Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2010.07.25 18:57:00 -
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Yes... we suck...
will read next weeks tears
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