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Lan Staz
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Posted - 2010.07.27 22:48:00 -
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Dear CCP. Please ignore all the people suggesting you simply drop the Mac client. Myself and thousands of others depend on it (for better or worse). Thanks.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.07.28 01:59:00 -
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It would be nice if they'd get the client running reasonably well before arranging for the product to be advertised by Apple. This will damage both EVE's and Apple's reputation.
For what it's worth, I've managed to get the client working well enough to play the game by simply turning off HDR, turning off shadows and setting all the variable settings to "low" (low shader, low texture detail).
This leaves more CPU time for the game to constantly poll the keyboard instead of waiting for the OS to report what keys are being pressed. One day, I'll be able to end a sentence with an exclamation mark and not have to press Enter twice to get the message to be sent ;)
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Blasphemour
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Posted - 2010.07.28 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: Blasphemour on 28/07/2010 07:11:37 screw it, forum is as incompetent as the game itself...
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Toovhon
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Posted - 2010.07.28 09:21:00 -
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What gets me is the shoddy state of Eve-for-Windows-wrapped-with-Transgaming's-craptacularly-ancient-WINE-and-Xwindows-versions-for-Mac is so blatantly obvious to any user.
I mean it's not like the crappiness of the Mac version has come as a surprise to CCP. Unless they really did do ZERO testing before release... and we all know they did, for goodness sake.
I simply do not understand how such a rubbish product is released. If this was native Windows, Mac or *unix software it would be savaged in the press and derided by the public at large. But instead companies like MacWorld review it well (words fail me...), and users like us are supposed to be thankful for it, just because it's a Cider port and oh! Isn't it wonderful how Mac gamers are being thrown a bone, CCP is thinking of us! How wonderful! Yay! Group hug everyone! *barf*
Well I say garbage is still garbage, no matter the circumstances. Sorry for the harsh words, but I don't see why I should feel grateful for this utter mess of an app. I can honestly say I'd be a happier gamer now if I'd never started playing Eve for Mac and got into it to the point where I'd hate to quit. The trouble is I can't participate in fleet activities (unless I turn all graphical settings to their lowest, but the game then looks like some reject from the mid-90's - ugggg! Oh and the action STILL stutters way more than on a PC!) and I have to reset or recover my settings from backup every damn week or so... *long sigh*
Frankly the only thing that can save Eve for Mac IMO is a true Mac app being made. No Cider crap. No WINE. A _REAL_ Mac app. Because I'm telling you now CCP, the way things stand now the INSTANT another decent trading/combat non-twitch MMO arrives on the scene, I am GONE baby, gone. Man, if only someone would make an Elite or Escape Velocity style MMO... :-(
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Zedic
Amarr Universalis Imperium
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Posted - 2010.07.28 15:06:00 -
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I am so sick of, "file a bug report".
No, YOU Devs need to get mac's (I know you can afford it) and play the damn game in the native Mac client.
What would possess you people to agree to allow Apple to advertise your game on their new iMac and mention playing Eve in the description for the new 27" iMac when you know damn well that the Mac client is failing miserably??
"Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima |
Manssell
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Posted - 2010.07.28 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout Hey guys,
To answer simply: yes, we care. We closely monitor this forum specifically for issues, and work closely with our partner, Transgaming, to work on resolving issues with the Mac client. Of great help to us is that when any Mac player experiences issues with the client, that they file a bug report. This will help us identify and track issues much better than via the forums, and we can work closely with the reporter on obtaining more information regarding the issue in question.
There's a large problem with this. I have filed bug report just like you say, yet the problem is to do so, I have to run cider trace utility which made the game unplayable. Really I did it all last night and the graphics updating was so slow the only thing I could do was to jump between a few systems (flying on instruments) and sit in station. I can't actually do the things that seem to make the client crash (mission, rats, ect). So after wasting hours of my time to try to debug your program, my bug report where I detailed the problem, is now just filtered, and apparently put aside, because I can't generate a report because the report generator is so bad. Do you see how that little catch 22 might be a weee bit annoying and infuriating!?
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Solra Wolfe
GunStars
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Posted - 2010.07.28 16:05:00 -
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This is just another example of CCP Marketing running rampant, and too little resources to actually make a half decent client.. everyone here would be better served complaining to Apple about the ****ty client to be f'n honest. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [GNSTR]
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.07.29 14:48:00 -
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Ohw ohw.... What a sad bunch of kittens do we have here.
Been playing EVE since the day it got released for the Mac.
It has been far, far worse in the past, with Mac specific bugs. Just jump down to the first posts and read up, if you (d)care. CCP & Transgaming have come a long way since then.
The nonsense that they don't care just shows how ill informed the whiners here are. Or they are plain trolling rolling on the wave of negativity that's consuming for the most GD at the moment. It's even worse if you complain and refuse to bug report any bugs you encounter. Gives you far less right to complain, if any at all.
I'm not a tech guy but since the EVE code changes every patch, and our Mac OS X code changes with every update, it is not that strange that things get out of sync. Time after time after time. Tell me with all your crying here, why would CCP even consider updating the Mac client, time after time?
Having said that, I'm running 2 clients on an medieval MacPro Mac OS X.6.3 (first generation) and since short a ATI card (ATI Radeon HD 4870) because nVidea f-ked up and no longer makes cards that fit into my old workhorse, I currently have no problems at all.
Instead of crying here like a bunch of 9 year olds we should try to compare, what systems we run what OS and what not to see if we can find some common grounds and maybe some solutions ourself. But no, the majority here just prefers to cry.
You don't deserve it but here is a tip that helped me: Under Finder hit Apple key-shift-g then type in (copy paste) or navigate to:
~/Library/Preferences/EVE Online Preferences/p_drive/Local Settings/Application Data/CCP/EVE/c_program_files_ccp_eve_tranquility/cache
Then delete = trash the "MachoNet" folder before starting up EVE.
And no I'm not a CCP alt. :s
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Xabuz
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Posted - 2010.07.29 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
Ohw ohw.... What a sad bunch of kittens do we have here.
Been playing EVE since the day it got released for the Mac.
It has been far, far worse in the past, with Mac specific bugs. Just jump down to the first posts and read up, if you (d)care. CCP & Transgaming have come a long way since then.
I'm an returning Mac player as well....at this day we still have Mac specific bugs.....EVE Mail for example...
Quote: The nonsense that they don't care just shows how ill informed the whiners here are. Or they are plain trolling rolling on the wave of negativity that's consuming for the most GD at the moment. It's even worse if you complain and refuse to bug report any bugs you encounter. Gives you far less right to complain, if any at all.
Many Mac users already did report bugs and most of the people that actually do that on time to time bases are sick of it that it's being ignored all the time....
Quote: I'm not a tech guy but since the EVE code changes every patch, and our Mac OS X code changes with every update, it is not that strange that things get out of sync. Time after time after time. Tell me with all your crying here, why would CCP even consider updating the Mac client, time after time?
I do see you're not a techie guy so stop complaining at people that do understand how thing works...so stop whining yourself....
Quote: Having said that, I'm running 2 clients on an medieval MacPro Mac OS X.6.3 (first generation) and since short a ATI card (ATI Radeon HD 4870) because nVidea f-ked up and no longer makes cards that fit into my old workhorse, I currently have no problems at all.
Boo hoo if you're running 2 clients at the same time...you must be getting low FPS all the way with all the settings down...congratulations on that....paying the same $$$ as those with an PC running 2 clients at full FPS with all settings high...
Quote: Instead of crying here like a bunch of 9 year olds we should try to compare, what systems we run what OS and what not to see if we can find some common grounds and maybe some solutions ourself. But no, the majority here just prefers to cry.
If you stop whining yourself and take the time to read the forum topics yourself you actually see that many Mac ( and Linux ) users are coming up with great ideas and better ways to improve EVE gameplay on their system....Me self are going to launch my own adjusted version of Cider very soon to run this game....With my own version I get better FPS with higher settings then the current one they are having now....I know it's not legal to release Cider yourself cause of proprietary reasons....but hey if CCP or Transgaming do not fix the problems then we will....
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Kia Tor
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Posted - 2010.07.29 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
Blah, blah, blah
You pay the same to play the game as the PC users, so you shouldn't have to dump the cache and all that other crap, just to play the game at all. The people who posted in here aren't whining, they just want to get what they pay for, for once. Sure the client is a little better than it was 2 or 3 years ago, but it's still eons behind the Windows client.
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Blasphemour
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Posted - 2010.07.30 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
grandma speech about how everything used to be worse
I don't give a damn if the client used to be worse. It is bad NOW. You have no issues you say, well good for you, others do. That you can play problem free doesn't mean that there are no issues. There's a myriad of threads in which people already give there exact configurations, explain everything they do, etc. etc. etc. READ before you post.
Loads of people submit bug reports, petitions, post threads, etc. etc., but there is hardly any response from CCP. We don't have to put up with that. We pay for this game, it's not as if it's a privilege we can pay, CCP should be honored that we bother to keep playing.
Shut your piehole if you can't add anything constructive, only pick at people who actually DO have problems playing a game they pay for every month.
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Gewrixlera
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Posted - 2010.07.30 16:12:00 -
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OK - so I am also running 2 clients with settings turned all the way down on a 1st Gen Mac Pro.
I also happen to participate in 0.0 Sov Warfare from time to time, so that isn't an issue since (believe it or not) most serious battles you turn off all the shinies anyway.
I recall from my most recent battle: FC: "OK everyone, make sure you turn off all effects, turn down graphics, turn off explosions" FC: " Don't forget to turn off all brackets on your overview as well"
So I just leave my system set up for big fights. Now, if CCP fixed lag, I'd start to complain about the shinies, but I have bigger priorities...
Although I must admit I am one of those who can only successfully run EVE with Sound disabled. IF I enable sound (AT ALL) I enable the random complete crash. And yes, I filed bug reports. It's been that way since at least Empyrian Age though...
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Vaneshi SnowCrash
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
It was worse before now.
Explain this then.
I use the Cider port and just to keep the game playable I've Shaders Low, goodies off, 16-bit backbuffer and such. The game still lags like a mofo and drags the whole system down with it.
I use Wine+XQuartz and I get rock solid performance, shaders high and so on. Yes it crashes but no more than the Windows people fall over and the mouse cursor turning in to a block with an ikkle pointer in the bottom corner is a pain sometimes. Hell I've gone in to a 30v30 fight with my normal settings and not had issues.
If CCP & Transgaming give a crap about either EVE:Mac or Cider why the hell is the performance difference so great? Cider should be running rings around Wine shouldn't it?
And this is with 10.6.4, you know, the one with the broken Nvidia drivers on a MBP with a 9400M as its only graphics system.
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Shin Chogan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.01 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout Hey guys, To provide a simple explanation: the Mac client is the Windows client that is wrapped around Transgaming's Cider engine. As you may know, Windows and Mac don't always play together nicely, which is where Cider comes in. Continuing to report issues to us will help us and Transgaming work on Mac issues tremendously.
Of course if you actually wrote a NATIVE Mac Client you know one that doesn't rely on an emulation layer like Cider then Windows and Mac wouldn't have to play together at all
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Anna Grahm
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.08.01 21:03:00 -
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It's storytime!
A long time ago CCP decided to get TransGaming's help to wrap the Windows client in the Cider technology in order to enable the game for Mac. CCP also had TransGaming wrap the Windows client in the Cedega technology for Linux (due to poor usage numbers the Linux client was dropped).
In the beginning the Mac client was really unstable. Getting the client to where it is today is a remarkable feat!
Today, however, we see instability and graphical glitches. We all report bugs (Right!!?) but how often does CCP even release Windows patches? Very rarely. They seem to let relatively minor issues (planets look funny on some graphics cards) go until point releases. Major issues tend to get fixed right away. I've seen the pattern for 4 years and anyone who says otherwise is just being disingenuous.
I'm pretty sure both CCP and TransGaming engage in QA before releases - both companies seem like they have integrity and you don't stay around in the gaming industry for 10 years without integrity.
Anywho, keep reporting bugs with exact reproduction steps cos if the developer can't reproduce it they can't fix it! I am NOT an alt! |
Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.08.02 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zeeawk I experience random crashes and disconnects. [..] Does CCP even care about it's MAC community?
That's not my impression.
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Chasten Ruin
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Posted - 2010.08.02 19:15:00 -
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It's been over a month since Tyrannis 1.03 was released. Most of these problems werent happening until that patch.
Its been over a month with no response from CCP. With multiple threads getting more messages with more ****ed off users on Mac.
Why is it taking more than a month to provide a hotfix? Why cant CCP officially respond? Bug reports have been sent, petitions started and still we get nothing.
Im done paying until this is fixed. Im infuriated beyond end. I was patient for the first month but its reached a boiling point now.
Thank God for Starcraft 2. It worked right out of the box and hasnt crashed, lost connection or had to generate a hundred bug reports only to get ignored. I dont even pay for a subscription to play the game and if I ask a GM for help they respond within an hour.
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r33f4b
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2010.08.02 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Chasten Ruin
Its been over a month with no response from CCP.
Actually there has been one. Now, it depends if you can count it as acceptable or not.
This lone response from CCP, the absence of comment from Transgaming and the overall downward path of the quality of the Cider port does make me wonder about the state of relationship between CCP and Transgaming...
It's only speculation, but if it a legal issue for a broken contract or something like that, it would be in their best interest for them to not comment on those issues publicly.
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Xabuz
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Posted - 2010.08.03 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: r33f4b
Originally by: Chasten Ruin
Its been over a month with no response from CCP.
Actually there has been one. Now, it depends if you can count it as acceptable or not.
This lone response from CCP, the absence of comment from Transgaming and the overall downward path of the quality of the Cider port does make me wonder about the state of relationship between CCP and Transgaming...
It's only speculation, but if it a legal issue for a broken contract or something like that, it would be in their best interest for them to not comment on those issues publicly.
I think you're right about the Cider part...the stability and quality of that is getting worse....Personally I have made my own Cider client for this game which is actually an older build then the one they are having now and without any surprise it runs much better on my Mac system.
Second like you I was already thinking of CCP was tight up to a stupid contract with Transgaming which they cannot break or cancel without any legal issues.Personally CCP should stop working with Transgaming at all and better spend that money on Mac devs on making their own native client, and if not they better should work with the devs at WineHQ instead of Transgaming for better Wine integration so Linux user can benefit from it as well...
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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.04 12:30:00 -
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CPP " Yes, we care".
Yeah right. I left Eve a year (or 1,5year) ago because it crashed a lot and well I didn't have enough time. I do remember that you couldn't QUIT the game from the menu....you had to push command + q to quit without crashing. Now that I re-actived the account and there have probably been 2-3 different clients at least and guess what...you still can't quit from the menu.
Perhaps you care, but thinking about funny things doesn't fix bugs. Also I got the old "can't use the map due to blinking disco" and then oldies with goldies "crash with the music still playing". Guess what, I had those same bugs when I left...
Seems more stable I do admit that, but if you can't fix OBVIOUS bugs in one year (or 1,5years) then you aren't going to fix them. Stop whining. |
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Flynn Fetladral
BlackSite Prophecy
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Posted - 2010.08.04 13:06:00 -
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I think the biggest issue right now for the EVE Online Mac Client is down to the ****ty graphics drivers balls up in 10.6.4. This is outside of CCP and Transgamings hands. It's down to Apple and Nvidia (ATI peeps have no suffered from the driver problems). It looks like the next Macbook Pro's might ditch Nvidia for the discreet ATI cards like the new iMac's
But yeah, All games that use Cider are the same. I have Dragon Age, and it uses Cider just like EVE Online. It suffers all the same problems as EVE Online does. Poor performance, over heating and what not.
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r33f4b
Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace
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Posted - 2010.08.04 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Flynn Fetladral I think the biggest issue right now for the EVE Online Mac Client is down to the ****ty graphics drivers balls up in 10.6.4. This is outside of CCP and Transgamings hands.
If it was the case, and it may be the cause of some of the issues we are encountering, CCP should do what most companies that makes Mac games did: Just communicate with their customers to tell them what issues they might encounter with the 10.6.4 update.
Valve and Blizzard come to mind.
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Arcon Telf
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.08.04 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
Ohw ohw.... What a sad bunch of kittens do we have here.
Been playing EVE since the day it got released for the Mac.
It has been far, far worse in the past, with Mac specific bugs. Just jump down to the first posts and read up, if you (d)care. CCP & Transgaming have come a long way since then.
The nonsense that they don't care just shows how ill informed the whiners here are...
This.
Same here. Player since day one of the Mac client.
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V'in
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Posted - 2010.08.06 19:33:00 -
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Was considering getting a mac (1st one) as my game playing has waned a lot and now I only play eve. Saw the eve-online screen on the imacs and thought that would be perfect.
However, reading this plus other threads not sure I want to...
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Kia Tor
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Posted - 2010.08.07 00:22:00 -
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For anything else, Macs will run circles around Windows, IMHO, but running Eve is not one of it's best features.
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Adelaid
Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.08.07 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: Adelaid on 07/08/2010 10:23:59 ... dear CCP, you owe me 20 sentries and 1 ishtar. Plus hours of resorting bookmarks, overviews, shortcuts. Your Game tend to crash because of a connection lost... without real internet disconnection. And I found out that all seetings are resetted even before I force quit the frozen screen.
Well enjoy my new decision to spam useless petition about everything since today :)
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V'in
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Posted - 2010.08.07 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kia Tor For anything else, Macs will run circles around Windows, IMHO, but running Eve is not one of it's best features.
Defeats the point but when running eve in windows on bootcamp on mac, I assume it works as good as on a PC as it's the windows client?
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Kia Tor
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Posted - 2010.08.07 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: V'in
Originally by: Kia Tor For anything else, Macs will run circles around Windows, IMHO, but running Eve is not one of it's best features.
Defeats the point but when running eve in windows on bootcamp on mac, I assume it works as good as on a PC as it's the windows client?
Yup, works just fine in bootcamp. That's the only way I can play it reliably.
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Zedic
Amarr Universalis Imperium
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Posted - 2010.08.08 21:53:00 -
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I can't get the sound for the game to work in bootcamp. And I'm too lazy to redo all of my overview settings for that install, or I'd play Eve in bootcamp all the time.
I use a 2009 unibody Macbook Pro (before the latest refresh). Any ideas how I can make the sound work?
****ing ******ed that we have to resort to installing another OS on a machine that was built to run a superior OS just to play Eve.
No - CCP doesn't give a ****.
"Zedic, would probably, somehow, make it all blow up." - Akima |
Kia Tor
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Posted - 2010.08.09 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zedic I can't get the sound for the game to work in bootcamp. And I'm too lazy to redo all of my overview settings for that install, or I'd play Eve in bootcamp all the time.
I use a 2009 unibody Macbook Pro (before the latest refresh). Any ideas how I can make the sound work?
****ing ******ed that we have to resort to installing another OS on a machine that was built to run a superior OS just to play Eve.
No - CCP doesn't give a ****.
I don't have any idea why your sound doesn't work, but for the overview settings, This might work for you.
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