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ma perke
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Posted - 2010.07.17 18:49:00 -
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so i was sitting on the gate cloaked in helios with expanded probe launcher fitted and combat probes set at 0,5au positioned like x at the gate pressing scan button again and again.
then i discovered that I get 100% warp to at all tier 1 BS like mega, apoc etc but on the mach i was reaching only 33% and no more although I was seeing him visually 130km off the gate. well my probing skills are at 3 or 4 and i was quite surprised.
what do you think was the reason i could not get 100% warp to on the mach? at the end of the day he has got quite big signature.
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.07.17 19:58:00 -
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Because he had ECCMs in his mids to prevent him from being probed. ____________
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ma perke
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Posted - 2010.07.17 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist Because he had ECCMs in his mids to prevent him from being probed.
can it be done? to have sniper fit machariel with ECCMs in mids? is it possible at all that mach is unprobable?
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2010.07.17 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: ma perke then i discovered that I get 100% warp to at all tier 1 BS like mega, apoc etc but on the mach i was reaching only 33% and no more although I was seeing him visually 130km off the gate. well my probing skills are at 3 or 4 and i was quite surprised
. Machs have a smaller signature then T1 BS. Two, you were wasting your time. If its on grid, it is right there! Where? Right there! I don't see it.
Quote: what do you think was the reason i could not get 100% warp to on the mach? at the end of the day he has got quite big signature.
Lousy skills. Lousy positioning of probes. Not using Sister Probes and Launcher.
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.07.17 23:05:00 -
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It is possible, yes.
Originally by: Aqriue
Originally by: ma perke then i discovered that I get 100% warp to at all tier 1 BS like mega, apoc etc but on the mach i was reaching only 33% and no more although I was seeing him visually 130km off the gate. well my probing skills are at 3 or 4 and i was quite surprised
. Machs have a smaller signature then T1 BS. Two, you were wasting your time. If its on grid, it is right there! Where? Right there! I don't see it.
Quote: what do you think was the reason i could not get 100% warp to on the mach? at the end of the day he has got quite big signature.
Lousy skills. Lousy positioning of probes. Not using Sister Probes and Launcher.
Literally terrible post. ____________
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Fieraen
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Posted - 2010.07.17 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Fieraen on 17/07/2010 23:13:41 Not just possible, even somewhat common.
A Cloaking Sniper Mach that isn't probable is incredibly powerful for camping entry points or high traffic gates.
Hint: Jackal implants.
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Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2010.07.18 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Aqriue Machs have a smaller signature then T1 BS.
No they don't. They do however get higher default sensor strength, which is helpful.
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ma perke
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Posted - 2010.07.18 06:25:00 -
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Can you post a sniper machariel fit with ECCM and Jackal implants which will make it unprobable and at the same time usefull for pvp?
I played with eft and mach indeed can be done improbable with full jackal implant set and 5 ECCM II but then you don't have anything else in mids and can't lock fast...
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Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.07.18 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: ma perke Can you post a sniper machariel fit with ECCM and Jackal implants which will make it unprobable and at the same time usefull for pvp?
I played with eft and mach indeed can be done improbable with full jackal implant set and 5 ECCM II but then you don't have anything else in mids and can't lock fast...
Did you include gang bonuses from a maxed out Loki? ____________
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Millie Clode
Amarr Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.07.18 09:14:00 -
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It is entirely possible to make an unprobable sniper Mach. Having a full jackal set and getting gang bonuses from a ganglinked/mindlinked claymore or loki is pretty essential though.
[Machariel, Unprobable Sniper] LADAR Backup Array II LADAR Backup Array II Reactor Control Unit II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II
ECCM - Ladar II ECCM - Ladar II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L [empty high slot]
Large Ionic Field Projector I Large Targeting System Subcontroller I Large Targeting System Subcontroller I
Garde II x4
Mex skills, jackal set, maxed claymore in gang that gets you 252 sigrad / 238 sensor strength = 1.05 (until you turn on the MWD). Tank is nonexistent but meh you can't have everything. 6000 volley damage at about 210km ---------- Who, me? |
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Evil Stare
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Posted - 2010.07.19 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vrabac
Originally by: Aqriue Machs have a smaller signature then T1 BS.
No they don't. They do however get higher default sensor strength, which is helpful.
Sure it does. Sig radios is 340. As far as I know most tier 1 bs's are 400. Marauders 500.
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2010.07.19 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Supremacist
Literally terrible post.
Less so then your post. Please, let me know how useful it is to probe out a ship that you can see on grid and under 150kms minimum warp distance. It can't possibly be a waste of time to spend a minute positioning probes on the map you can't warp to while your staring at it .
Originally by: Evil Stare
Originally by: Vrabac
Originally by: Aqriue Machs have a smaller signature then T1 BS.
No they don't. They do however get higher default sensor strength, which is helpful.
Sure it does. Sig radios is 340. As far as I know most tier 1 bs's are 400. Marauders 500.
Yeah, I saw that last week and surprised me, thought the Mach was at least equal in sig size to the second tier ships.
Mach: 340 Gallente: 420, 400, 485 Caldari: 480, 460, 500 Amarr: 370, 400, 460 Minmatar: 320, 340, 460
Typhoon (320), Tempest(340), and Armageddon (370) are close in size to the Mach while the Scorpion (480), Hyperion (485), and Rokh (500) are the largest.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2010.07.19 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Millie Clode
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range
A pair of unscripted sensor boosters improve scan res and targeting range better than using one of each script.
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Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2010.07.20 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Stare
Originally by: Vrabac
Originally by: Aqriue Machs have a smaller signature then T1 BS.
No they don't. They do however get higher default sensor strength, which is helpful.
Sure it does. Sig radios is 340. As far as I know most tier 1 bs's are 400. Marauders 500.
It has exactly the same signature as tempest. Just as vindicator does as megathron, bhaalgorn as apoc, rattlesnake as raven... notice the pattern. And what on earth does it have to do with marauders?
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Laina Delapore
Caldari Red Sun Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.20 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Aqriue
Less so then your post. Please, let me know how useful it is to probe out a ship that you can see on grid and under 150kms minimum warp distance. It can't possibly be a waste of time to spend a minute positioning probes on the map you can't warp to while your staring at it .
Because you can't all get a fix on his sniping spot, bm it, warp away and then warp back to it. No, that would be impossible. Or tell your fleet to warp to you at X range so that they land on the target.
Granted, the latter does require the sniper to be an idiot and actually be in-line between the gate and another celestial, but hey. I've seen it happen. |
Amarr Supremacist
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Posted - 2010.07.20 10:23:00 -
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Aqriue, stop being terrible. ____________
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Das Governator
The Republican Party
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Posted - 2010.07.25 11:28:00 -
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Everyone was too busy looking at the sig radius to notice it's the sensor strength that makes the mach easier to make unprobable....
That's funny.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2010.07.25 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Millie Clode
Garde II x4
Don't launch those drones if you want to be unprobable...
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Evil Stare
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Posted - 2010.07.26 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Das Governator Everyone was too busy looking at the sig radius to notice it's the sensor strength that makes the mach easier to make unprobable....
That's funny.
You actually need both. Lower sig radios and higher sensor strength.
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