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Dregek
Pilots Of Honour
Aeternus.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Dregek on 07/07/2010 18:33:05
Edited by: Dregek on 07/07/2010 18:32:34
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Larkonis Trassler
EMIX INC
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:32:00 -
[62]
 Originally by: Areo Hotah
Originally by: Cyrus Doul
what is this larkonisgate thing? back from when apoc came out and gates went ******ed? I didn't pay attention to CSM until recently.
Larkonis Trassler was in the CSM.
After a meeting with CCP where they announced the complete revamp of the T2 material requirements, he bought a ****load of technitium, aka inside trading. Although he said he had looked at the market and saw a big spike in demand, so assumed the secret was already out.
He was forced to resign.
It wasn't Tech. It was in fact something that went down in value post Dominion :sadtrombone: and no specific details of changes (moongoo or otherwise) were released to us. The spike was caused by a (rather rich) corpmate of mine acting on his own to try and manipulate the market for that particular good (he wasn't aware of anything that I knew), hard to believe I know, but trust me on this. In my semi inebriated state I put two and two together, got 5 and foolishly acted. |
Amrumm
Rhetorical Devices
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:32:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Anything that undermines CCP's ability/propension to have open and honest discussions with us annoys me.
Mostly this. Shame it had to happen two years in a row. As a player I appreciate the attempts of CCP to create a channel to the player base, even though it does not result in any immediate/visible changes. |
Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:33:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Malcanis on 07/07/2010 18:35:48
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1157899/page/2
Lulz.
"Ankhesentapemkah
Ankhesentapemkah
Citation Registration Commission
Take me to the EVE-Online forum thread View author employment history View author posting habits View only posts by author Posted - 2009.08.26 08:31:00 - [36] - Quote
Yes and ban all accounts on the same IP and creditcard, being able to use alts to get around bans should be punishable by extra long bans."
I trust Ms Jobse will take the medicine she prescribed for Mr Ridgeway...? |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 07/07/2010 18:35:52
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Trust, as we learn playing eve, is a difficult thing...
I can't really say I'm sorry to see Eva go, as I didn't get along with her really well... However I'm very sad this happened to the CSM.
Most of us on the CSM are people with whom CCP has learned to dialog with, and the newest additions (Mynxee and Trebor) fared well in that regard.
Anything that undermines CCP's ability/propension to have open and honest discussions with us annoys me.
I don't know what Eva did. What I do know however is that it's different from Larkonis. Larkonis got drunk, ****ed up, and admitted it to CCP, he got offered the chance to resign, and he took it.
Eva seems to be a different thing altogether, since she got booted, and didn't resign... What for? I have no idea... Maybe we'll know, maybe we won't.
Or maybe she got the option to resign and didnt take it?
But dont let me stop the speculation.
btw, open and honest discussion? Does it really matter if CCP tells you open and honest they completely ignore the CSM instead of lying about it? |
Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:34:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Ran Khanon
Originally by: Barakkus
You all realize that the CSM is nothing more than a PR thing for CCP. I love CCP, I consider myself a fanboi, but in reality any type of player interaction on that kind of level is just a PR thing. Will they use the interaction with the CSM for planning development to some degree? Yes. Will it really make any huge difference in the direction of EVE? Not really.
Why would you sit there and bite the hand that feeds you so to speak and not expect consequences for it? It's not surprising she got booted, if I was CCP, I'd be kicking her to the curb too, it's bad PR to have crap like that said when you're SUPPOSED to be doing something to improve public relations for them.
I would not be surprised if her "observations" on CCPs attitude were a wee bit skewed anyways. CCP isn't some giant governemental agency out to oppress it's players etc...they will do what they need to do to produce a product that will garner more sales for them, that's the whole point of being an entertainment company. Too many people treat gaming companies and developers like they are "the man" and do this angsty teen rebellion crap.
She seemed pretty useless anyways.
I would not be surprised if they ended up cancelling the CSM soon and just rely on feedback from some of the more vocal and level-headed posters on the forums like a lot of gaming companies do. The CSM was a good idea on paper, but from watching it here and there, I think it's turning into a PR disaster.
^ What the wise man said.
Seems I was wrong in assuming why she got booted, but still, the CSM is a good idea on paper, horrible PR disaster in reality.
CCP would be better off courting certain players and reading their own forums (which they do actually read the forums :P) than trying this CSM garbage. The biggest problem with the CSM is it is putting inflated expectations out there that just simply won't be met. People's imaginations on what kind of impact the CSM will have on development went wild, now it's just breeding annimosity from what I can see.
The biggest problem with involving players at the level of the CSM is many of them are not software developers (even though everyone that plays MMOs claims to be one). There is a lot to software development and maintenance that the average player doesn't understand, and won't understand, no matter how many times you explain it. They percieve the explanations as apathy rather than actual limitations of what can be done in the immediate future, and most gamers can't think past the next month in most cases. |
Dirk Mortice
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Trust, as we learn playing eve, is a difficult thing...
I can't really say I'm sorry to see Eva go, as I didn't get along with her really well... However I'm very sad this happened to the CSM.
Most of us on the CSM are people with whom CCP has learned to dialog with, and the newest additions (Mynxee and Trebor) fared well in that regard.
Anything that undermines CCP's ability/propension to have open and honest discussions with us annoys me.
I don't know what Eva did. What I do know however is that it's different from Larkonis. Larkonis got drunk, ****ed up, and admitted it to CCP, he got offered the chance to resign, and he took it.
Eva seems to be a different thing altogether, since she got booted, and didn't resign... What for? I have no idea... Maybe we'll know, maybe we won't.
Or maybe she got the option to resign and didnt take it?
But dont let me stop the speculation.
As one of Ankh's loudest forum friends, would you like to comment about her coming down to earth in a ball of flames and potentially being a bigger scammer than anybody she ever spoke out against? |
Hesperius
Parsec Flux
War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:36:00 -
[68]
Doesn't she work for another game development company? Seems like that would/should disqualify you from the get go.
Not surprised on this one. |
Dierdra Vaal
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:37:00 -
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I want to emphasise that the NDA breach was not related to CSM5, and happened well before Ank took office in CSM5. |
Zelda Wei
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:38:00 -
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So she got kicked for breaching the NDA with her inconvenient blog, but she's not the only CSM to write a blog. So we must wonder why she has been singled out. To bystanders (I voted for some body else) this looks like the hate campaign succeeded.
I guess those Haters gotta Hate
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:38:00 -
[71]
Violating a NDA in a serious manner as a game designer is pretty much career suicide. |
Hitome Kirishiro
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:38:00 -
[72]
When in the course of typical MMO asshattery it becomes necessary for a Developer to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with an elected player representative, a decent respect for the opinions of said electorate requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. |
Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:40:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Hesperius
Doesn't she work for another game development company? Seems like that would/should disqualify you from the get go.
Not surprised on this one.
Not only that but she lists CCP as her employer on her C.V
He/She/It is a compulsive liar, cheat and fraudster.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
my name actually is short for catherine
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greentusk
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:40:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Qoi
reported by CCP Wrangler | 2010.07.07 16:59:23 | NEW
Today Eva "Ankhesentapemkah" Jobse was removed from the Council of Stellar Management due to a breach of the non-disclosure agreement (NDA). this to be a private issue between Eva and CCP, therefore we are unable to comment further.
discuss.
That won't look good on her CV. |
Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:42:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Dirk Mortice
As one of Ankh's loudest forum friends, would you like to comment about her coming down to earth in a ball of flames and potentially being a bigger scammer than anybody she ever spoke out against?
As one of Sokratesz closest friends, would you like to comment about him being al-qaida member and planning to attack the CCP servers with zombies using his inside information gained as CSM member?
Like i said now several times, although your kind seems to have some issues reading, it is all pointless speculation until it is told why it was done, which probably will never be told.
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Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:43:00 -
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Need more information on why the NDA was breached. I don't know Ankh or really have a position one way or the other, but given she seems to be unpopular there's always going to be an undercurrent of this being done politically rather than due to an actual breach.
Please give more info when its possible to do so.
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Caldari
Original Sin.
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:43:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Hitome Kirishiro
When in the course of typical MMO asshattery it becomes necessary for a Developer to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with an elected player representative, a decent respect for the opinions of said electorate requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
qft. i don't like ankh but we deserve to know why she got booted.
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Rouge Drone
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:44:00 -
[78]
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Dirk Mortice
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Dirk Mortice
As one of Ankh's loudest forum friends, would you like to comment about her coming down to earth in a ball of flames and potentially being a bigger scammer than anybody she ever spoke out against?
As one of Sokratesz closest friends, would you like to comment about him being al-qaida member and planning to attack the CCP servers with zombies using his inside information gained as CSM member?
Like i said now several times, although your kind seems to have some issues reading, it is all pointless speculation until it is told why it was done, which probably will never be told.
I was always wondering why he kept disappearing into those hidden bunkers at night!
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Cinori Aluben
Minmatar
Gladiators of Rage
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:46:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
I want to emphasise that the NDA breach was not related to CSM5, and happened well before Ank took office in CSM5.
Hmm, sounds like someone does know.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:47:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku
qft. i don't like ankh but we deserve to know why she got booted.
No we don't, since there's nothing anywhere that stipulates we have the right to. In fact, the opposite is more likely true.
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Hitmandus iniesta
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:48:00 -
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If she was kicked out of the CSM because she broke the NDA before she took office I'd say they went completely emo and went searching for a reason to kick her.
But it really illustrates how useless the CSM is, if you're not stroking CCPs back and giving them good PR you're unwelcome.
What a joke.
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Radgette
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:48:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
I want to emphasise that the NDA breach was not related to CSM5, and happened well before Ank took office in CSM5.
i don't particularly like the way ankh does things or the way it's reported she was acting at the summit BUT this just seems too convenient to me tbh,
right after CCP gets bad press from the CSM the one who wrote the first blog against them suddenly has some 2 year old NDA breach noticed and actioned against, thats some awesome timing right there tbh
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TeaDaze
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Now come Mynxee, Socratez, TeaDaze and Traebor didn't get kicked as well then?
I've not yet blogged about the summit in any detail because I'm waiting for the official minutes (so I can pick them to bits). I felt it was a bad idea to do so however it doesn't appear to be the cause of the NDA issue.
It would be nice if CCP would clarify the situation a bit because the lack of details are just causing more wild speculation...
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Mazzarins Demise
Profit Development and Research Association
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:49:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Mazzarins Demise on 07/07/2010 18:48:46
Originally by: Cinori Aluben
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
I want to emphasise that the NDA breach was not related to CSM5, and happened well before Ank took office in CSM5.
Hmm, sounds like someone does know.
If this occurred well before she took office, why the hell was she allowed to take office in the first place? Actually, I guess I just answered my own question, they didn't bother to look.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:52:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Qoi
reported by CCP Wrangler | 2010.07.07 16:59:23 | NEW
Today Eva "Ankhesentapemkah" Jobse was removed from the Council of Stellar Management due to a breach of the non-disclosure agreement (NDA). We are deeply saddened but feel that it was the only possible solution in order to protect the integrity of the Council of Stellar Management. As this is a matter regarding confidential data we do consider this to be a private issue between Eva and CCP, therefore we are unable to comment further.
Bolded for those with selective reading habits ;) I've read the blogs from the various CSM delegates during and since the summit. Nothing Eva's blog or anyone else's contained any new information that would constitute a breach of the NDA.
Furthermore, the release from Wrangler says *specifically* confidential data was involved. This tells me she got her hands on something she wasnt supposed to and action is being taken either because of what she got, how she got it, or what she did/was planning to do with it.
I really dont think CCP would outright remove someone from CSM because they talked about something in the minutes before they came out or something like that. Lark f'd up and essentially committed insider trading due to his foreknowledge of game changes. It's not clear what Ankh did to get removed, but it must have been considerably more serious than telling people stuff they already knew on her blog.
In any case, I hope all the "take care" supporters take care to be more responsible in the candidates they support going forward.
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:54:00 -
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Can we get some kind of information other than "She violated the NDA and was removed"? I mean, I don't particularly like what she wants to implement at all but if any CSM member can get removed like that with, with almost no explanation whatsoever, it doesn't bode well for the future...can't believe I'm sticking up a bit for Ankh.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow.
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Captain Megadeath
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mazzarins Demise
Edited by: Mazzarins Demise on 07/07/2010 18:48:46
Originally by: Cinori Aluben
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
I want to emphasise that the NDA breach was not related to CSM5, and happened well before Ank took office in CSM5.
Hmm, sounds like someone does know.
If this occurred well before she took office, why the hell was she allowed to take office in the first place? Actually, I guess I just answered my own question, they didn't bother to look.
Perhaps it took place before she took office and CCP just found out? huh? but that wouldn't fit the CCP/CSM haterz plot to vilify both..
Best to wait on an official report before putting your foot in it... hmmmm
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
my name actually is short for catherine
Yeah, Katie Door perhaps...... lol
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.07.07 18:55:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Miyamoto Isoruku
Originally by: Hitome Kirishiro
When in the course of typical MMO asshattery it becomes necessary for a Developer to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with an elected player representative, a decent respect for the opinions of said electorate requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
qft. i don't like ankh but we deserve to know why she got booted.
We do know.
It was for NDA violations. That's all we're going to get, most likely.
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