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Yeay Fritg
Caldari Confrerie de Kaedri Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2010.09.14 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: JC Anderson
Using at best my remaining time to see if something can change or if will simply be forgotten...you know people say they will answer and after some weeks everybody is bored to wait. Well CCP communication way.
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Extreme
Eye of God Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.15 12:16:00 -
[692]
*click*
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Johnathan Walker
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.15 18:50:00 -
[693]
Originally by: Yeay Fritg
Originally by: JC Anderson
Using at best my remaining time to see if something can change or if will simply be forgotten...you know people say they will answer and after some weeks everybody is bored to wait. Well CCP communication way.
What would you like to see change, Yeay?
If you're upset that there are minimal details surrounding Ankh's removal from CSM due to CCP's statement, I'm afraid you won't get the answer you're looking for. Warmly, "The Bear" JW
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Kangtar
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.10.12 11:46:00 -
[694]
So we ever gonna find out if CCP had her killed then?
mysterious disappearance is mysterious.
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Extreme
Eye of God Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.10.13 09:36:00 -
[695]
Edited by: Extreme on 13/10/2010 09:43:53
You may like Ankh or may hate her, it doesn't matter anymore.
As former CSM all i can say is that Ankh was, in her way, passionate for her task as CSM and it doesn't matter anymore if you agree or disagree on her ways and views.
She did 2 full terms and a short part of the 5th council x 20hours work a week invested in CSM, totals around 1500hours.
I'm sure that being removed from CSM for Ankh personally had to be very painful.
What i personally dislike are the people that keep bashing and kicking people that are already knocked out on the floor. Why can't yall just stop stirring up the **** and let this topic end?
Respectfully,
Extreme
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2010.10.13 19:23:00 -
[696]
Originally by: Extreme Edited by: Extreme on 13/10/2010 09:43:53
You may like Ankh or may hate her, it doesn't matter anymore.
As former CSM all i can say is that Ankh was, in her way, passionate for her task as CSM and it doesn't matter anymore if you agree or disagree on her ways and views.
She did 2 full terms and a short part of the 5th council x 20hours work a week invested in CSM, totals around 1500hours.
I'm sure that being removed from CSM for Ankh personally had to be very painful.
What i personally dislike are the people that keep bashing and kicking people that are already knocked out on the floor. Why can't yall just stop stirring up the **** and let this topic end?
Respectfully,
Extreme
I would agree this is flogging a dead horse that has already left the barn, which long since caught fire and burned to the ground. That said, the real dissappointment is that so many people failed to see Ahnk was all about Ahnk, and nothing else. Many folks tried to warn the voters but were overwhelmed by the voices of the missinformed fanboys. No one that worked with Ahnk in her first CSM terms wanted to work with her again. She was like a spoiled child when she didn't get her way and some of us tried to let folks know.
Although she may have worked a lot and had "passion" for her efforts, I think she was net negative to the online social experiment in virtual goverment that the CSM is. It is interesting though she managed to create such a large cult of personality about her claim to represent the carebears when clearly she never was able to with any effectiveness. I think one thing any CSM would tell you that no matter what your views of Eve might be, to be an effective member of the CSM you have to play well with other members of the CSM to make sure the CSM can present a unified voice to CCP when needed. Ahnk never learned that.
I can say I am sure her removal from the CSM must have been crushing for her personally. She is the sort of person that will remain bitter and angry about that for the rest of her life. If there really was an NDA issue she might have also suffered a career set back that could haunt her for some time. She is also clearly no longer involved in the greater Eve community in any manner and this was one of her favorite places to mine large volumes of hot gasses that maintained the size of her ego (nothing wrong with a large ego, makes for some fun times in the context of internet spaceships!). So everyone should realize she really paid a price for whatever CCP decided she did. I think way more than most Eve players would have under similar situations.
So what I hope folks take from the while thing isn't just about Ahnk. I'd hope if there is a lesson or two its that CCP does take the NDA seriously (as well as other aspects of the conduct of the CSM) and that when voting for a CSM candidate try and pick someone that seems to be able to work with other folks to be effective at representing you to CCP.
Issler
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Doris Dents
The Greater Goon
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Posted - 2010.10.22 18:09:00 -
[697]
Originally by: Kangtar So we ever gonna find out if CCP had her killed then?
mysterious disappearance is mysterious.
Protip: she left because he hates Eve and would much rather be somebody in Puzzle Pirates. Once another trip to Iceland or CV padding wasn't on the cards there was no reason to stick around.
The carebear vote got played.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.11.24 23:03:00 -
[698]
This thread should never die and never forget. I encourage people to search for "Eve Jobse" on Google and star the appropriate search results. Fix Rockets in '08 '09 2010 2011 2012?! |
FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.11.25 08:31:00 -
[699]
Eva. ------------------------------------------------
Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain! |
Viktoria Potsfel
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Posted - 2010.12.03 08:00:00 -
[700]
Edited by: Viktoria Potsfel on 03/12/2010 08:00:41
Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Furb Killer
As long as there is no reason given there is no reason to assume she did something worse than lark. Maybe she was also asked to resign but refused. Lark attempted to get ingame advantage using his CSM info, if ankh just leaked something it isnt as bad imo. But that is pretty pointless speculation.
Ah, furb killer, always quick to jump the defend-ankh bandwagon.
I for one am happy to say that I also do not know what she did and thus I cannot comment on whether it was 'worse' than what lark did. (apparently there is a clearly defined scale of those things somewhere, please point me to it!).
In fact it doesn't matter what she did, the consequence is what matters.
Its not important if hes guilty.. its important we got an execution? lol
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Troeg Artheon
Gallente Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.12.03 14:02:00 -
[701]
Funny how she hasn't listed CCP under her 2010 employment history on her CV. I guess she wouldn't want a potential employer calling CCP asking about her previous employment with them... oh wait, nevermind.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2010.12.16 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Troeg Artheon Funny how she hasn't listed CCP under her 2010 employment history on her CV. I guess she wouldn't want a potential employer calling CCP asking about her previous employment with them... oh wait, nevermind.
She still has CCP listed from 2008-2009.
I also notice that she LARPs.
Ankh has gone from crazy to downright creepy.
- "When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed." - CCP Big Dumb Object |
Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.12.16 18:17:00 -
[703]
Let it die already.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Rike Ewann
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Posted - 2010.12.22 00:05:00 -
[704]
Why let it die? She wanted to remove pvp from EVE. HAHAHAHAHA Bye Eva and please don't come back.
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.22 05:44:00 -
[705]
No, seriously. She was insane. Now she's gone. Let it go. ------------------------------------------------
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Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.12.27 11:21:00 -
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If it was indeed CCP tripping over her having divulged comments about them preferring new shinies over fixing existing stuff, then I can see their point. It doesn't matter whether or not everyone knows already, or supects the same: these things were said in confidentiality, and should remain there.
CCP is taking a rather unique position in the gaming industry, allowing the CSM so much real participation. That trust should not be shamed, even when you hear insider stuff you dislike hearing. That stuff should remain inside chambers; and if you leak it, you should indeed be expelled. If not, CCP can no longer trust the CSM, which would mean they would no longer share anything real with them. --
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.12.28 00:00:00 -
[707]
CCP would have opened themselves up to a substantial lawsuit if they'd fabricated an NDA charge against Ank. The fact that she said she'd be able to show how it was fabricated "tomorrow", and said that months and months ago, points to CCP not only not fabricating it, but Ank not being able to argue it.
Just let it go, it's over. ------------------------------------------------
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.11 20:05:00 -
[708]
Originally by: Issler Dainze
Originally by: Extreme Edited by: Extreme on 13/10/2010 09:43:53
You may like Ankh or may hate her, it doesn't matter anymore.
As former CSM all i can say is that Ankh was, in her way, passionate for her task as CSM and it doesn't matter anymore if you agree or disagree on her ways and views.
She did 2 full terms and a short part of the 5th council x 20hours work a week invested in CSM, totals around 1500hours.
I'm sure that being removed from CSM for Ankh personally had to be very painful.
What i personally dislike are the people that keep bashing and kicking people that are already knocked out on the floor. Why can't yall just stop stirring up the **** and let this topic end?
Respectfully,
Extreme
I would agree this is flogging a dead horse that has already left the barn, which long since caught fire and burned to the ground. That said, the real dissappointment is that so many people failed to see Ahnk was all about Ahnk, and nothing else. Many folks tried to warn the voters but were overwhelmed by the voices of the missinformed fanboys. No one that worked with Ahnk in her first CSM terms wanted to work with her again. She was like a spoiled child when she didn't get her way and some of us tried to let folks know.
Although she may have worked a lot and had "passion" for her efforts, I think she was net negative to the online social experiment in virtual goverment that the CSM is. It is interesting though she managed to create such a large cult of personality about her claim to represent the carebears when clearly she never was able to with any effectiveness. I think one thing any CSM would tell you that no matter what your views of Eve might be, to be an effective member of the CSM you have to play well with other members of the CSM to make sure the CSM can present a unified voice to CCP when needed. Ahnk never learned that.
I can say I am sure her removal from the CSM must have been crushing for her personally. She is the sort of person that will remain bitter and angry about that for the rest of her life. If there really was an NDA issue she might have also suffered a career set back that could haunt her for some time. She is also clearly no longer involved in the greater Eve community in any manner and this was one of her favorite places to mine large volumes of hot gasses that maintained the size of her ego (nothing wrong with a large ego, makes for some fun times in the context of internet spaceships!). So everyone should realize she really paid a price for whatever CCP decided she did. I think way more than most Eve players would have under similar situations.
So what I hope folks take from the while thing isn't just about Ahnk. I'd hope if there is a lesson or two its that CCP does take the NDA seriously (as well as other aspects of the conduct of the CSM) and that when voting for a CSM candidate try and pick someone that seems to be able to work with other folks to be effective at representing you to CCP.
Issler
Sour old bag says what? Your post, Issler, shows exactly how well you work and play with others as well as the lasting resentment you carry. The hypocrisy involved in accusing Ahnk of such things while displaying them yourself is nothing short of astounding. Ironically IÆd respected you until this hate filled post of yours.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.11 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Windjammer on 11/01/2011 20:35:06
Originally by: FinnAgain Zero CCP would have opened themselves up to a substantial lawsuit if they'd fabricated an NDA charge against Ank. The fact that she said she'd be able to show how it was fabricated "tomorrow", and said that months and months ago, points to CCP not only not fabricating it, but Ank not being able to argue it.
Just let it go, it's over.
Not necessarily true. In lawsuits the winner is often predetermined by who has the largest legal war chest. Safe to say, CCPÆs is probably bigger. That having been said, NDAÆs being what they are and the CSM being what it is, it is likely that any of the CSM could have been and still could be charged with an NDA violationà..technically. And that technicality could be used to successfully defend in any lawsuit brought against CCP no matter how insignificant the breach of NDA.
AnkhÆs silence is understandable and was predictable, though disappointing. Under an NDA someone can not only be removed from the CSM, but a violation of the NDA can be used as basis for a lawsuit filed by CCP against the violator. The suit doesnÆt have to have merit and can be based upon the smallest of perceived violations. Also, someone who causes a corporation grief can easily be sued for damages based solely upon what they say about the corporation even without the NDA being a part of the equation.
All of which points to a plausible scenario in which Ankh may well have been told sheÆd be putting herself at considerable risk by pursuing a verbal and/or legal campaign against CCP with little chance of success. CCP wouldnÆt even have to threaten her. Her own common sense and perhaps advise from legal counsel would be enough.
-Windjammer
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Troeg Artheon
Gallente Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2011.01.12 21:50:00 -
[710]
Originally by: Windjammer Her own common sense and perhaps advise from legal counsel would be enough.
It would have to be the latter, everyone knows she has none of the former.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.13 03:20:00 -
[711]
Originally by: Troeg Artheon
Originally by: Windjammer Her own common sense and perhaps advise from legal counsel would be enough.
It would have to be the latter, everyone knows she has none of the former.
Really. Everyone. That's a broad statement and easily disproven. For instance my experience with her gives lie to your statement. Also, how do you explain the number of votes she received to become a member of the CSM? And not just once. It would seem there are quite a few people who disagree with your point of view.
ItÆs very easy to take shots at someone when theyÆre not around to defend themselves. Even easier when you donÆt care what you say or have any regard for the accuracy of what you say. It speaks more to your level of common sense than it says anything about Ankh.
-Windjammer
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Troeg Artheon
Gallente Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2011.01.13 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Windjammer
Also, how do you explain the number of votes she received to become a member of the CSM? And not just once. It would seem there are quite a few people who disagree with your point of view.
And exactly how many of those votes were made by well-informed Eve citizens? I doubt it was a large number. It's been proven plenty of times in the past, during elections, that a majority of the votes placed are made by those who are not familiar with the positions their selected candidates represent. It's all about exposure or feelings for most voters (otherwise how would Palin be so popular) and not knowledge of platforms.
Originally by: Windjammer
Even easier when you donÆt care what you say or have any regard for the accuracy of what you say.
My common sense tells me that during meetings I should not use utensils as projectiles. Anybody's common sense should tell them not to do that. That's just one example, I won't list any more as there are plenty of examples on these forums of her lack of common sense.
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2011.01.14 02:55:00 -
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ENSIGN! LOAD SPOONS AND PREPARE TO FIRE! -- Need a break from EVE? |
Dramaticus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.01.14 17:32:00 -
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just wanna repeat that this dumb broad being removed from the CSM is pretty much the highlight of the CSM
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FinnAgain Zero
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.01.14 18:01:00 -
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Nine replies short of 666. Nevar forget! ------------------------------------------------
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Shaemell Buttleson
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.01.14 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: FinnAgain Zero Nine replies short of 666. Nevar forget!
Oh well bump!
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.15 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Troeg Artheon
Originally by: Windjammer
Also, how do you explain the number of votes she received to become a member of the CSM? And not just once. It would seem there are quite a few people who disagree with your point of view.
And exactly how many of those votes were made by well-informed Eve citizens? I doubt it was a large number. It's been proven plenty of times in the past, during elections, that a majority of the votes placed are made by those who are not familiar with the positions their selected candidates represent. It's all about exposure or feelings for most voters (otherwise how would Palin be so popular) and not knowledge of platforms.
This latest from you is easy rationalization from a one dimensional person and close to the edge of text book circular logic. i.e. ôTheyÆre ill-informed if they voted for Ankh and well informed if they voted for your candidateàààà.. because you say they areö
Ironically, you just lent support to my assertion that you were wrong to say ôeveryone knows she has none of the formerö (referring to common sense). Unless youÆre saying all those people supported her and voted for her while thinking she had no common sense.
Originally by: Troeg Artheon Originally by: Windjammer
Even easier when you donÆt care what you say or have any regard for the accuracy of what you say.
My common sense tells me that during meetings I should not use utensils as projectiles. Anybody's common sense should tell them not to do that. That's just one example, I won't list any more as there are plenty of examples on these forums of her lack of common sense.
By your reasoning, anyone who has suffered a fit of anger is lacking in common sense. That would include a lot of people. Almost certainly every person in the world including all the leaders. Some of whom have made very public spectacles of their anger including the use of thrown objects. They suffered a lapse in judgment, but it cannot be reasonably argued that they were all without any common sense. Of course, I exempt you from the above due to the shiny little halo youÆve got going there.
As for the rest of your ôplenty of examplesö? I would hazard a guess that it is sufficient for a point of view to be different from your own for you to judge it based upon a lack of common sense.
-Windjammer
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.15 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dramaticus just wanna repeat that this dumb broad being removed from the CSM is pretty much the highlight of the CSM
What an enlightened point of view. Such an unexpected and completely surprising perspective from one of the swarm and so well expressed too. I would have expected you to find something one of the swarms delegates had done to be the highlight. Apparently you share my impression that the swarm didnÆt do squat save attempt to serve themselves. Not that I didnÆt have respect for Bane during the first CSM.
IÆm so happy to see youÆre trying to expand your mind. I usually think of you fellows as blindly parroting whatever pureed bull plop your leadership is feeding you. So nice to see at least one of the little bees striking out on his own. The brave imagery fair brings a tear to the eye. It truly does. Lone little bee, buzzing along, thinking independentlyàà
Sayàà..howÆs Darius doing these days? Well, I hope.
Very best regards, Windjammer
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Troeg Artheon
Gallente Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2011.01.15 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: Troeg Artheon
Originally by: Windjammer
Also, how do you explain the number of votes she received to become a member of the CSM? And not just once. It would seem there are quite a few people who disagree with your point of view.
Ironically, you just lent support to my assertion that you were wrong to say ôeveryone knows she has none of the formerö (referring to common sense). Unless youÆre saying all those people supported her and voted for her while thinking she had no common sense.
My common sense tells me that during meetings I should not use utensils as projectiles. Anybody's common sense should tell them not to do that. That's just one example, I won't list any more as there are plenty of examples on these forums of her lack of common sense.
By your reasoning, anyone who has suffered a fit of anger is lacking in common sense. That would include a lot of people. Almost certainly every person in the world including all the leaders. Some of whom have made very public spectacles of their anger including the use of thrown objects. They suffered a lapse in judgment, but it cannot be reasonably argued that they were all without any common sense. Of course, I exempt you from the above due to the shiny little halo youÆve got going there.
As for the rest of your ôplenty of examplesö? I would hazard a guess that it is sufficient for a point of view to be different from your own for you to judge it based upon a lack of common sense.
-Windjammer
I never said those people who supported her didn't have common sense, they were just lacking in knowledge of her platform and of her past comments/behavior on the forums. Her behavior in all of those mediums show a lack of an internal switch that tells her to shut the hell up when it's not in her best interest.
As an elected member of the CSM she had certain responsibilities, those included representing the best interests of her constituents (i.e those who elected her.) Her inability to control her emotions was indicative of an underlying issue that has been highlighted multiple times in these forums as well as on numerous other sites such as Eve Tribune. She never had the constitution to represent those she claimed she was representing, she only wanted things her way. Like a spoiled child she lashed out when she didn't get what she wanted... that's not how a representative of a majority should behave.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.01.16 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Troeg Artheon I never said those people who supported her didn't have common sense, they were just lacking in knowledge of her platform and of her past comments/behavior on the forums.
True, you didnÆt say thatà..and I didnÆt say that you did. Reread my post, #660 of this thread. What you DID insinuate was that Ankh lacked common sense because she threw a spoon and that anyone doing such a thing was clearly lacking in common sense. I term this a lapse in judgment and losing oneÆs temper rather than an absence of common sense. By extension your reasoning places anyone who has lost their temper into the category of people who lack common sense. I really shouldnÆt have to recap this to correct you. It wasnÆt more than a couple posts back.
Originally by: Troeg Artheon Her behavior in all of those mediums show a lack of an internal switch that tells her to shut the hell up when it's not in her best interest.
Most people would not say they elect someone to ôshut the hell upö when the going gets rough and it would be in the politicians best interest to back off. Constituencies elect a politician based upon the politicianÆs stance. Once in office the politician is expected to advocate for the positions (planks) that the people elected them to advocate for. What the constituency does not expect or want is for the politician to ôshut the hell upö.
Originally by: Troeg Artheon As an elected member of the CSM she had certain responsibilities, those included representing the best interests of her constituents (i.e those who elected her.) Her inability to control her emotions was indicative of an underlying issue that has been highlighted multiple times in these forums as well as on numerous other sites such as Eve Tribune. She never had the constitution to represent those she claimed she was representing, she only wanted things her way. Like a spoiled child she lashed out when she didn't get what she wanted... that's not how a representative of a majority should behave.
I see a lot from you that runs to ôeveryone knowsö, ônumerous sitesö and ôhighlighted multiple timesö. You sound like someone who has jumped on a bandwagon without actually seeing any proof. I saw considerably more proof of immaturity from a couple other members of the CSM than I did from Ankh. Heck, I see it in the US congress every freaking day. This is not to say that Ankh wasnÆt an effective CSM representative any more than it says the others arenÆt good representatives.
LetÆs investigate this alleged spoon throwing incident. How do you know it took place? Where did it take place? In a break room between meetings? At lunch? During a meeting with CCP or just the CSM? Did she throw it at someone or simply throw it down on the table in disgust. What was the spoon made of? Metal? Plastic? When this incident was first reported on the forums I looked for information on it and found little. Since I didnÆt care to spend too much time looking around for information on it, perhaps I missed something. At the time it seemed like a bs rumor. WouldnÆt it be funny if it were just a rumor that more and more people started believing until it became one of those things that ôeveryone knowsö?
Originally by: Troeg Artheon Edit: Even more so her is the fact that she was kicked off the CSM. We are judged by our actions, and her actions show that she was not capable of representing those who voted for her (unless those who voted for her expected her to get kicked off the CSM.) She failed all those Eve citizens who voted for her, however she stayed true to those who spoke against her.
The only people who know why Ankh was kicked off the CSM are Ankh and select members of the CCP staff. The other members of the CSM donÆt know. I venture to say that most of the CCP staff do not know. Interesting fact; even if they did know, they couldnÆt tell what they know without violating NDAÆs unless release was granted by someone at CCP with the authority to do so.
CCP has said they will not comment. Ankh has said she contests CCPÆs allegation as to breach of the NDA. CSM members have said they donÆt know. IÆve pointed out, as have a few others, that technically there are a number of CSM members who could be accurately accused of breach of the NDA. Yet in spite of all this complete lack of information (outside of Ankh and CCP) you, out of all the people in the world, profess have sufficient information on the matter to render a judgment. You know that she violated the NDA. If I wasnÆt so busy being underwhelmed, I might find time to be impressed.
You say we are judged by our actions. Ankh did not kick herself off the CSM, CCP did that. You assume CCP was just in their action. You assume that Ankh did something to violate the NDA that others, who have not been kicked from the CSM, did not do. It seems you assume a great deal and know very little.
-Windjammer
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