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Nodnal Leahcim
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Posted - 2010.07.06 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Nodnal Leahcim on 06/07/2010 21:09:48 is it allowed?
Its says its for your security and recommended not to do it but can I do it without being banned or is it really against the rules? Just a question Im asking for a friend that wants to play with his friend. and his friend i do not know.
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Larg Kellein
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.06 21:11:00 -
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Nope, not allowed.
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CCP Adida
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.06 21:13:00 -
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Sharing accounts is against the EULA.
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Miilla
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Posted - 2010.07.06 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 06/07/2010 21:15:57 What if I am a schizophrenic? Arn't schizophrenics allowed to play eve? I thought it was a requirement :)
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.07.06 21:18:00 -
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Go ahead and do it, no one really cares anyway and its not something you can even prove.
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Nodnal Leahcim
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Posted - 2010.07.06 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Adida Sharing accounts is against the EULA.
So if its against the EULA would they get the account terminated?
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2010.07.06 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane Go ahead and do it, no one really cares anyway and its not something you can even prove.
Yes there is.
1. IP-Address 2. MAC-Address (3. Super Secret client ID thingymabob)
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Kewso
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Posted - 2010.07.06 21:58:00 -
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many many people share anyhow regardless of rules and nothing has ever happened to them.
there are many titan/cap accounts that get shared in bigger alliances and even occured in my old alliance.
but nothing has ever happened, just dont advertise I guess, even though it's pretty blatant in corp/alliance chats
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2010.07.06 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Sader Rykane Go ahead and do it, no one really cares anyway and its not something you can even prove.
Yes there is.
1. IP-Address 2. MAC-Address (3. Super Secret client ID thingymabob)
Assuming the two people, two computers scenario: how can you prove that it is my brother playing, not me just using whichever computer is available at the moment?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.07.06 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Yes there is.
1. IP-Address 2. MAC-Address (3. Super Secret client ID thingymabob)
1. Assumes that they are in different locations and aren't using DHCP. 2. Assumes that there is something in the client that collects and transmits this information ù otherwise it gets discarded at the first hop away from the computer, so this is essentially just the same as #3. 3. Doesn't say who's at the keyboard. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Cebraio
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Posted - 2010.07.06 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
Assuming the two people, two computers scenario: how can you prove that it is my brother playing, not me just using whichever computer is available at the moment?
They hack your webcam and make a mug shot which is then posted on facebook.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.07.06 22:14:00 -
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The "forbidden to share" clause in the EULA is there for mostly "CCP covering their own behind" pseudo-legal reasons. In other words, if your "sharer" does something stupid, you, the rightful owner bear 100% of the responsibility, as if he was you. If he biomasses your account, you won't get reimbursed. If he breaks the EULA in some other way, you get punished or even banned. And so on and so forth. But unless any of you does something else fishy first, it's unlikely you'll get reprimanded.
Basically, account sharing is like drunk driving in a country with no random checks Technically punishable, but only if caught doing something else to draw attention to it first, and then it's an aggravating circumstance.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2010.07.07 01:31:00 -
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It's extremely detectable, as the same account will likely be accessed in improbably short order across great distances on different clients on a routine basis. Some people travel a lot, few travel a lot instantly.
But. . .as I've said previously, a lot of things are detectable that are either unenforced or under-enforced. And unlike a lot of more egregious rule vios, as Akita mentions, there's really no big downside to account sharing until someone whines it wasn't their fault.
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Cindy Knight
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Posted - 2010.07.07 02:12:00 -
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Edited by: Cindy Knight on 07/07/2010 02:14:17
Officially, it's against the EULA to share an account with someone. No if's, and's, or but's.
Unofficially, some people do it (mostly to add to a vacationing/AWOL friend's skills and such)... but they do it as discreetly and rarely as possible due to the ease by which it can be confirmed (provided some good "samaritan" points the GM magnifying glass in the offender's direction).
My opinion? Don't do it. The universe works in mysterious and twisted ways. You would probably get away with it until your character has reached a certain, irredeemable stage of development... then, BAM... your account has been banned.
Crushed, you'll find solace in a bottle of your preferred "medicine" and proceed to cry in a fetal position in the corner of your basement/attic. You will do this for 3 days, all the while talking and cursing to yourself that you will get revenge. How DARE they do this to you! Do they not know who YOU are???? Then, like an old crack*****, you will come crawling back... you will make another account... and you will thank CCP for letting you back in... even though CCP should banhammer you again like the sniveling, cheating, addict that you are.
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Matalino
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Posted - 2010.07.07 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: Matalino on 07/07/2010 02:31:21
Originally by: Sader Rykane Go ahead and do it, no one really cares anyway and its not something you can even prove.
In many cases it can be diffucult to prove that there is account sharing, especially when nothing goes wrong. However, if anything goes wrong, you will find yourself on the wrong side of the EULA. (Basicly what Akita said)
If you are having a lan party, your friend could log in and let his friend play without sharing his password. Such "sharing" is unlikely to cause any problems. However, your friend will obviously need to take responsiblity for his friend's actions while playing on his characters.
If your friend is going to have his buddy play for anything more than a lan party, it is probably best to set him up with his own account. Using the buddy invite promotion, your friend could give his buddy a month and a half of game time that is effectively free and has no resistictions.
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Ratnix Foisen
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Posted - 2010.07.07 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Sader Rykane Go ahead and do it, no one really cares anyway and its not something you can even prove.
Yes there is.
1. IP-Address 2. MAC-Address (3. Super Secret client ID thingymabob)
I have a Desktop which I use at home. I have a laptop I take with me when I go places. Naturally the laptop is going to have different IP addresses as it is used as a roaming computer. The MAC will also be different as it is a different computer. Of course they both have their own instance of Eve running on it.
There really is no way to disprove this would be happening with somebody. There is nothing that says that you CANNOT run Eve on 2 different computers that you own.
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Sage Sixxkiller
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Posted - 2010.07.07 03:24:00 -
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Okay, so my husband and I "share" six accounts. Meaning I play 3 and he plays 3. Who logs on to which three accounts depends on what we are doing and can vary. Is this bad? We love playing EVE and love playing together. We do each feel ownership to 3 accounts. Like this one is my account and he has three that he would define as "his". I hate the idea that we pay $90 a month for a game that could be turned off because of a harmless way we play the game. I'm worried now. It's not like we can alter our play style.... |
Syberbolt8
Gallente The Sacred Order of the Space Weasels Industrial Spearhead Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.07 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sage Sixxkiller Okay, so my husband and I "share" six accounts. Meaning I play 3 and he plays 3. Who logs on to which three accounts depends on what we are doing and can vary. Is this bad? We love playing EVE and love playing together. We do each feel ownership to 3 accounts. Like this one is my account and he has three that he would define as "his". I hate the idea that we pay $90 a month for a game that could be turned off because of a harmless way we play the game. I'm worried now. It's not like we can alter our play style....
Well until you said something about it, it couldn't be proved, now your admitting to it and should be held accountable for breaking the EULA. I'm not saying I have never shared an account, in the past I have, but it burned me badly and left me with an account warning, not that many care, but that means I can't join things like ISD, or the CSM.
The worst part of it was that it was my brother, and while I wont go into his actions, it got him banned, and me a warning, if he hadn't told CCP exactly what he did, I very well could have gotten a ban as well. The Resurrection: Support the Revised Dead Horse Pos thread in Assembly Hall |
The Huffarunier
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Posted - 2010.07.07 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Syberbolt8
Originally by: Sage Sixxkiller Okay, so my husband and I "share" six accounts. Meaning I play 3 and he plays 3. Who logs on to which three accounts depends on what we are doing and can vary. Is this bad? We love playing EVE and love playing together. We do each feel ownership to 3 accounts. Like this one is my account and he has three that he would define as "his". I hate the idea that we pay $90 a month for a game that could be turned off because of a harmless way we play the game. I'm worried now. It's not like we can alter our play style....
Well until you said something about it, it couldn't be proved, now your admitting to it and should be held accountable for breaking the EULA. I'm not saying I have never shared an account, in the past I have, but it burned me badly and left me with an account warning, not that many care, but that means I can't join things like ISD, or the CSM.
The worst part of it was that it was my brother, and while I wont go into his actions, it got him banned, and me a warning, if he hadn't told CCP exactly what he did, I very well could have gotten a ban as well.
Speaking as an older brother, your obviously not his friend.
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Syberbolt8
Gallente The Sacred Order of the Space Weasels Industrial Spearhead Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.07 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: The Huffarunier
Originally by: Syberbolt8
Originally by: Sage Sixxkiller Okay, so my husband and I "share" six accounts. Meaning I play 3 and he plays 3. Who logs on to which three accounts depends on what we are doing and can vary. Is this bad? We love playing EVE and love playing together. We do each feel ownership to 3 accounts. Like this one is my account and he has three that he would define as "his". I hate the idea that we pay $90 a month for a game that could be turned off because of a harmless way we play the game. I'm worried now. It's not like we can alter our play style....
Well until you said something about it, it couldn't be proved, now your admitting to it and should be held accountable for breaking the EULA. I'm not saying I have never shared an account, in the past I have, but it burned me badly and left me with an account warning, not that many care, but that means I can't join things like ISD, or the CSM.
The worst part of it was that it was my brother, and while I wont go into his actions, it got him banned, and me a warning, if he hadn't told CCP exactly what he did, I very well could have gotten a ban as well.
Speaking as an older brother, your obviously not his friend.
Naw, we are good, I just don't share account details with him anymore. A game no matter how much I love it isn't worth me hating or even disliking my brother. Was I mad? Hell Yeah I was, but in the end, its just a game. The Resurrection: Support the Revised Dead Horse Pos thread in Assembly Hall |
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Emma Royd
Caldari Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2010.07.07 07:06:00 -
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Unfortunately like a lot of rules (not just by CCP) the reason is a mystery, normally "Just Because"
Depending on your play style it can't be possible to check if you're account sharing, I play eve at home where I've got a choice of 4 computers, (different MAC addresses), I also used to play at my brothers internet cafe where he had 10 different computers, the laptop can be used anywhere you can get free wifi so checking by IP is impossible.
I figure the only way they might be able to suspect the account is shared is if the character in game does something totally out of character, like if a hardened carebear turns maverick and starts shooting players etc, but they're not likely to keep an eye on every character in the game.
Like others have said, it's more of a get out clause for CCP saying if you share the account details and something happens then it's your tough luck.
There's probably hundreds of shared accounts out there, big corps having communal cyno accounts for example.
I'm not advocating sharing accounts since after all it is against the EULA but since CCP don't want to develop a web login so you can change skills, I can't see them banning people who log in to a partners / friends account to change skill if needed.
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Da Death
Relentless Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.07.07 07:36:00 -
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If an account is logged into, and someone else tries to login CCP knows immediately that that account is shared. I think that happens more then once if someone shares an account.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.07.07 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Da Death If an account is logged into, and someone else tries to login CCP knows immediately that that account is shared. I think that happens more then once if someone shares an account.
Not really. I have a totally nuts but legit situation:
- 1 laptop at work, switching from wireless LAN => gateway = internet or an USB internet key depending on the place in the factory I travel to (the WI FI does not arrive everywhere so sometimes I have to resort to payware USB internet)
- 1 netbook with 2 WI FIs to switch to and from plus a LAN plus also another USB internet key, plus I take it home where I have both WI FI, LAN and again USB internet (if I play in the garden )
- 3 different desktops, one of them is nastily buried by furniture therefore my only real ways to type on it (gave up on wireless keyboards, batteries last too little) is thru VNC. Since it's slow at graphics I often switch to the account on that PC from another exactly by logging in the same account and therefore forcing a log off on the "secluded" computer.
Since the EULA does not forbid any of the above, I have to be able to play my accounts, even in my craptastically entangled life. - Auditing & consulting
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Spikes Chop Shop
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Posted - 2010.07.07 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Da Death If an account is logged into, and someone else tries to login CCP knows immediately that that account is shared. I think that happens more then once if someone shares an account.
not really. single user with multiple accounts can log on already onlined account, either by accident or purpose.
as been said before, sharing is against EULA, but nobody will care as long no funny thing is going on. it's user's responsibility. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon." |
DocDoo
BIG
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Posted - 2010.07.07 09:52:00 -
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as a FYI, at work there is a shared machine here that 4 different people login via, the also logon at home and other places. [and different corps and a couple of alliances] - no account sharing happens /DocDoo - BIG - Capital Construction and Sales |
Qui Shon
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Posted - 2010.07.07 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 07/07/2010 10:25:40
Originally by: Da Death If an account is logged into, and someone else tries to login CCP knows immediately that that account is shared. I think that happens more then once if someone shares an account.
I do that all the time. For example when my scout is done scanning and is going to idle or spy on enemies cloaked up, I move it to a laptop since it doesn't need a big screen anymore.
I don't quit the scouts client first because when I log it in on the laptop while it's still logged in on the main computer, the main computers client goes to login screen and I don't have to start up the main client again to log in a combat char. So it saves me starting up a client session.
Or when I need to do something quick on all three chars on a single account, it's faster to log in on main comp, do the thing, log in on laptop and do the thing while main comp client restarts/goes back to login screen, then login on main comp again. Saves a few seconds, also because you can pre-type in passwords and just click login the very second you need to, without delay.
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente SUECHTLER Inc. THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2010.07.07 10:27:00 -
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No it is not allowed.
However, it certainly helps if you are in a position of being able to (should said friend screw around too much) literally go around to his house and discuss the situation over a pint of his blood...
(Basically if you can go and re-arrange his face and he knows it he will do nothing of the sort). ----------------------------
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Qoi
New Eden Warriors
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Posted - 2010.07.07 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: Qoi on 07/07/2010 10:33:49
Originally by: Sader Rykane Go ahead and do it, no one really cares anyway and its not something you can even prove.
Well, you can map most IP Adresses to their location, and if you have two logins to the same account, one from canada and one from new zealand, in a 5 minutes timeframe.. somebody either developed real life jump clones or is account sharing.
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Miilla
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Posted - 2010.07.07 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 07/07/2010 10:38:26
Originally by: Qoi Edited by: Qoi on 07/07/2010 10:33:49
Originally by: Sader Rykane Go ahead and do it, no one really cares anyway and its not something you can even prove.
Well, you can map most IP Adresses to their location, and if you have two logins to the same account, one from canada and one from new zealand, in a 5 minutes timeframe.. somebody either developed real life jump clones or is account sharing.
I do that from work or other proxies, I travel often across europe but also at my company (I own it so stop ranting about at work :P), we have a proxy in a differetn country from my home connection.
Granted both clients are not on at the same time on the same account. Why make a big issue out of this? Do what staem does, only one account log in per client, if you want different logins from 2 diff locations or the same doesnt matter, use 2 accounts.
If you log into the account from a different client, then log out the old client. Simple mechanics. Works. Problem solved.
There is no reason for 2 login's at the SAME Time for one account, im supprised thats even possible. Dont depend on login time windows, that is just going to cause problems for those who proxy.
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2010.07.07 10:58:00 -
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Didn't BoB get some accounts banned for sharing a cyno monkey account network?
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