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Kurt Thyboe
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:24:00 -
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im very far away from hulk and i think it would be good to buy skillpoints so i can fly it now.
i dont see what peopel are not happy about buy skillpoints. it is just an service extra for customers who wants to be flying the ship soon.
it wont be bad for anyone that i can fly hulk, and i can help peopel. it is the same to wow when they can change name and server with real money.
if peopel dont want to use money to get more skillpoint then they dont have to. but let the peopel with money that wants to use it to get skillpoint do it like they want.
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Deryk Blacke
Minmatar VirDan Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:29:00 -
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Instead of spending that money to buy skillpoints for your character in the game, I think we could agree that you should spend some of that money on skillpoints for yourself, eh?
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb Focused Intentions
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:31:00 -
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Cool story bro
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Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 25/06/2010 11:33:36
Originally by: Kurt Thyboe im very far away from hulk and i think it would be good to buy skillpoints so i can fly it now.
i dont see what peopel are not happy about buy skillpoints. it is just an service extra for customers who wants to be flying the ship soon.
it wont be bad for anyone that i can fly hulk, and i can help peopel. it is the same to wow when they can change name and server with real money.
if peopel dont want to use money to get more skillpoint then they dont have to. but let the peopel with money that wants to use it to get skillpoint do it like they want.
Instead of spending money on skillpoints you should spend some money on English grammar education.
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL. |
Amaron Ghant
Caldari Tritanium Space Whales Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:35:00 -
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I'm tempted to just type HELL NO and move on.
Actually, if I have to explain it to you, then you obviously don't "get" what attracts most of us to EVE in the first place, and that is unfortunate.
So after a spot of mature introspection and consideration. HELL NO. |
Blnukem 192
Amarr Clan Gold Viper
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:38:00 -
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Go back to WoW, stupid kid.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kurt Thyboe it wont be bad for anyone that i can fly hulk, and i can help peopel.
next your hulk gets killed in high-sec and you clutter up the forums with your tears.
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:57:00 -
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I'm tempted to just type HELL YES and move on.
Actually, if I have to explain how it will break nothing, then they obviously don't "get" what attracts most of us to EVE in the first place, and that is unfortunate.
So after a spot of mature introspection and consideration. HELL YES. -- On planets... nobody can see you macro mining... |
Lucious Desire
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kurt Thyboe im very far away from hulk and i think it would be good to buy skillpoints so i can fly it now.
i dont see what peopel are not happy about buy skillpoints. it is just an service extra for customers who wants to be flying the ship soon.
it wont be bad for anyone that i can fly hulk, and i can help peopel. it is the same to wow when they can change name and server with real money.
if peopel dont want to use money to get more skillpoint then they dont have to. but let the peopel with money that wants to use it to get skillpoint do it like they want.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=734105
charecter bazzarr- its exists already
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Dusica
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:59:00 -
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You shall scatter your atoms to the cosmic winds... Eternal Will. |
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Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:06:00 -
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OP is a troll ------
0800-LAG-A-NODE
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Denaris Aschanna
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:06:00 -
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The only concievable upside to this that I can think of is:
1. Macro guy gets 20 new accounts 2. Macro guy buys SP, jumps straight into Hulk 3. Macro guy mines, gets isk, sells isk 4. Macro guy gets 20 accounts banned
Moar profits for CCP! yay!
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Cilibus
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:16:00 -
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Please die irl, quickly.
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cilibus Please die irl, quickly.
This is the sentiment of a person who likes the current skill system. Seems a little extreme and inappropriate to me. -- On planets... nobody can see you macro mining... |
the Whitenoise
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:23:00 -
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in eve there are people with more RL money than sense, some of this is rich people, some of it is illegal activities,
as it stands these people can buy isk and thus fly around in lolwhut ships, if skill points were also available at that point there is no skill or dedication in eve only how much money can you throw at it
even wow dosnt let you buy levels
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Denaris Aschanna The only concievable upside to this that I can think of is:
1. Macro guy gets 20 new accounts 2. Macro guy buys SP, jumps straight into Hulk 3. Macro guy mines, gets isk, sells isk 4. Macro guy gets 20 accounts banned
Moar profits for CCP! yay!
Macro miners banned by CCP?
Dream on!
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Lialem
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:30:00 -
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Quote: even wow dosnt let you buy levels
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Gavjack Bunk
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: the Whitenoise in eve there are people with more RL money than sense, some of this is rich people, some of it is illegal activities,
as it stands these people can buy isk and thus fly around in lolwhut ships, if skill points were also available at that point there is no skill or dedication in eve only how much money can you throw at it
even wow dosnt let you buy levels
But they do let you buy expansions and play them. Unlike Eve, where the expansion is touted as being FREE!, but then you have to pay with money for it, but you're not allowed to pay it in one go, you have to pay it in installments, because the cost of the expansion is so unbelievably high in comparison to other MMO products. The Titan expansion I hear is particularly expensive and yet at the same time incredibly small and so limiting you're only real option is to have an extra character for it. So they force you take their easy payment plan and get a whole new account just to play that expansion. Coming up with a system that terrible yet cleverly disguised as FREE! was genius enough, then playing the winning stroke and finding a handful of people in the world who are prepared to get on board with that system and blindly defend it with the fury and eloquence of a rabid dog was just too masterful to describe.
Even if you play all day on plex and spend not one penny of your own on your Titan expansion, you're still not allowed to play that expansion when you want to, because somebody else if paying CCP for your expansion, and CCP have them on the easy payments schedule system so they don't ever realise just how expensive these expansions are. If people went round playing the expansion content as they saw fit, Eve would die, sadly due to the rabies I'm still struggling to find an actual reason as to why Eve might die.
I think they mean that Eve will be just fine, it's just that they will go and whine on another game's forums. And I'm fine with that. -- On planets... nobody can see you macro mining... |
Denaris Aschanna
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
Originally by: Denaris Aschanna The only concievable upside to this that I can think of is:
1. Macro guy gets 20 new accounts 2. Macro guy buys SP, jumps straight into Hulk 3. Macro guy mines, gets isk, sells isk 4. Macro guy gets 20 accounts banned
Moar profits for CCP! yay!
Macro miners banned by CCP?
Dream on!
Ahh.. but there's the beauty of it.. CCP are lulling potential Macro guys into thinking 'oh, it'll be fine.. CCP don't do anything about macros..' and then BAM!
Way to play the long game, CCP! :D
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 25/06/2010 13:10:08
Selling SP certainly won't break the game in any functional way and would probably make CCP's accountants very, very happy in their pants.
But at least for me part of the attraction of EVE is its community. Lots of people try EVE and turn away because they don't have the required patience, don't like the concept of ubiquitous nonconsensual pvp or the idea of having to make sacrifices to get something desirable in return. Those people that "survive" this filtering process tend to be significantly different in attitude from those you would get by drawing a representative sample of RL population.
I enjoy EVE because its players are a selection of people based on criteria I value. The more you simplify EVE, the closer its population will get to the median you find IRL. Every change that takes EVE some of its harshness (skill queue, neural remaps, less training loss with insufficient clones, lower prerequisites for "must have" skills, ...) means I have to put up with more dumb people.
And that's a prospect I don't like at all.
edit: to draw a rough comparison - there was a time when you could expect a linux user to know quite a bit about how computers and software work just by the fact of him being a linux user. You saw a stranger running linux on his laptop and you knew you could get into an enjoyable conversation with him on some topic broadly related to Comp.Sci. Then Ubuntu became popular and within a few years the average linux user went from "knows what he is doing, at least basic programming skills, knows how software compilation and operating systems work" to "clueless newbie, thinks he is pr0 because he can configure his wifi, has no idea how to use man pages". Great for linux adoption in general, terrible for the community (which means you have to look into more obscure sub-communities to find like-minded people once again).
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:57:00 -
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Every time you buy skillpoints, it should 'de-stabilise' your clone, giving it a larger chance of failing if you get podded. Start at, say, 0% chance and add 25% for each time you cheat buy skillpoints.
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 25/06/2010 13:14:55
Originally by: Zaqar Every time you buy skillpoints, it should 'de-stabilise' your clone, giving it a larger chance of failing if you get podded. Start at, say, 0% chance and add 25% for each time you cheat buy skillpoints.
Tbh I find this a bit hypocritical as you can freely buy 25 million SP on the bazaar.
Whet's the exact difference between buying plex -> getting 50 billion ISK -> buy a 50 million SP character from the bazaar and directly buying SP for money?! Yes, name and appearance. That all???
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 25/06/2010 13:05:08
Originally by: Zaqar Every time you buy skillpoints, it should 'de-stabilise' your clone, giving it a larger chance of failing if you get podded. Start at, say, 0% chance and add 25% for each time you cheat buy skillpoints.
Tbh I find this a but hypocritical as you can freely buy 25 million SP on the bazaar.
Whet's the exact diffrerence between buying plex -> getting 50 billion ISK -> buy a 50 million SP character from the bazaar and directly buying SP for money?! Yes, name and appearance. That all???
Nothin'. Don't really agree with character transfers either...
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Lucious Desire
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 25/06/2010 13:05:08
Originally by: Zaqar Every time you buy skillpoints, it should 'de-stabilise' your clone, giving it a larger chance of failing if you get podded. Start at, say, 0% chance and add 25% for each time you cheat buy skillpoints.
Tbh I find this a but hypocritical as you can freely buy 25 million SP on the bazaar.
Whet's the exact diffrerence between buying plex -> getting 50 billion ISK -> buy a 50 million SP character from the bazaar and directly buying SP for money?! Yes, name and appearance. That all???
yup peeps are complaining about something that already exisits
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Tub Chil
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 25/06/2010 13:14:55
Originally by: Zaqar Every time you buy skillpoints, it should 'de-stabilise' your clone, giving it a larger chance of failing if you get podded. Start at, say, 0% chance and add 25% for each time you cheat buy skillpoints.
Tbh I find this a bit hypocritical as you can freely buy 25 million SP on the bazaar.
Whet's the exact difference between buying plex -> getting 50 billion ISK -> buy a 50 million SP character from the bazaar and directly buying SP for money?! Yes, name and appearance. That all???
If you don't see a difference then probably there is no point to explain
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Jennifer Fenring
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Fenring on 25/06/2010 13:26:28
Originally by: Tub Chil If you don't see a difference then probably there is no point to explain
If you can't explain then there's no point to post to tell us
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northwesten
Amarr Trinity Corporate Services Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:30:00 -
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It will damage the game period. People saying yes this is a great Idea don't have a freaking clue what they are talking about.
I am say no to the selling of SP Period! People will start buying sp like mad and I been playing this game over over 5 year to have someone catch up too me? I think not.
Also rich people will get a massive advantage as well. It's bad enough with isk but CCP had to do it to go against the isk sellers.
This isn't WoW or any other lame arse game this is EVE and SP system should remain the same period!!
Trinity Corporate Services
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Fenring
Originally by: Tub Chil If you don't see a difference then probably there is no point to explain
If you can't explain then there's no point to post to tell us
One is manufacture and trade; the other is object duping. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Kazuros
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gavjack Bunk Stuff.
You are an idiot. WoW has a monthly fee just like eve, AND you have to pay for the expansion packs.
Buying skill points will break the system that is already in place. Everyone started playing eve knowing full well how skill training works, and quite frankly the current system is a great reason to actually play the game. If you don't understand why this would break the game, let me explain something to you:
People play games to get away from the real world. They like to feel like they are accomplishing something, without being burdened by their real world lives. In order to do this, all players start out on the same level playing field, and where they go from this point is dictated by their game play. Allowing people with more money to simply buy their way to flying every ship in the game breaks this system, because now people are starting playing the game on an inherently imbalanced field. People with more disposable income will be able to skill their accounts past even veteran players who have been playing years. If this happens, we will likely see a large exodus of players who put in a lot of time and effort to get where they are. I know I don't exactly have a lot of disposable income with which to buy skill points, nor do I want to run into a 1 day old character flying a super cap.
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Elaine Shandrate
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Posted - 2010.06.25 13:49:00 -
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There are some dangerous points to selling SP's. I do agree though that it wouldn't damage the game itself.
1) People buying SP's, and then buy the hulk they want, might loose the hulk, and don't have the ISK to buy a new one. They'll drop massive tears on the fora, and complain about being able to fly something they can't buy. 2) RMT operations.. 'Buy' one character, after w eek buy SP's, a week later it gets banned, but has enough ISK to buy 2 PLEX and money to boot, fly 2 new ones, increase revenue, etc. 3) Once this is implemented, micro-transactions will be implemented in other ways soon after. "I want to be able to buy my <insert ship> for dollars instead of ISK!" 4) Character transactions will be more expensive. It works as the normal market, increase skill points with money, but you want to earn from it: ask more money for high SP characters. No more ISK for character transfers, but dollars/euros. 5) The ingame economy might/will suffer from it. You buy SP, then why buy meta 1-4 items if you can buy your way into T2? 6) 'Catching up' is of course a non-issue. I don't mind being outlevelled by newbees, as long as i can fly my cruiser with guns, and can win the fight regardless of skillpoints. Eve is a game of skill mainly, not of points IMO. However, it will damage the 'trust' and 'mistrust' people tend to have for more experienced pilots (based on skillpoints). Senior players somehow should stay ahead in the game is my feeling, just because of the trust issues. 7) People buying SP's won't learn how to fly a rifter. They'll learn how to fly a Bhaalgorn, because they'll skip the low-sp options. The best example is the OP actually. They can fly it, but they can't FLY it.
Flame on me now, i know
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