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Nuhrp
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:55:00 -
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LF Toon with as many or reasonable alternatives as possible on the following:
Minmatar Freighter Solid Learning Skills Cyber5/Implants4-5 Good Caldari or Galente Faction & Navy Standing or L3-4 PvE capable Hulk Capable Orca Capable Cov Ops Solid Exploration Skills Jump Freighter Trade Skills
Budget able to be broken if toon meets (or is within a month of) most of the above Monitoring the forums, please post here
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Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: Consortium Agent on 24/06/2010 15:44:39 http://www.toshclan.com/pi_fuel/
This is a handy little tool to find the planetary material requirements per hour or per 24 hours for all the different POSs in EVE.
It also *approximates* a base cost of the fuels using a combination of import/export tax for each material in the chain (e.g. import export of P0/R0, import export of P1, etc.) - this cost assumes moving the raw materials around to manufacture the different fuels - your costs will be less if you do not move the materials between R0/P0, P1, P2 etc.
On the first screen simply select the POS you want fuel calculations for. Simple. Works in-game or out.
Hope this is helpful :)
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captain foivos
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:04:00 -
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I endorse this product and/or service.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
If you're going to quote me that's great, but it must be something I've actually said. Shadow.
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J'J'J'Jita
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: J''J''J''Jita on 24/06/2010 16:30:41 It looks like a nicely built tool, but it is promoting a horrible idea.
Using PI to produce POS fuel is a dumb waste of time. Why? Because the POS fuel items are stockpiled to high heaven and their price is VERY low compared to other PI items of the same tier. Example: robotics. Why make robotics for POS fuel, when you can make a different P3, sell it for 10x as much, and then just buy 10x as many robotics off the market?
Anyone producing robotics (or other heavily stockpiled previously seeded items) is REALLY BAD at Eve Online. Produce things that are worth 10x more with the same effort, sell them, and buy 10x as much POS fuel.
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Vasundhara
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: J'J'J'Jita Edited by: J''J''J''Jita on 24/06/2010 16:30:41 It looks like a nicely built tool, but it is promoting a horrible idea.
Using PI to produce POS fuel is a dumb waste of time. Why? Because the POS fuel items are stockpiled to high heaven and their price is VERY low compared to other PI items of the same tier. Example: robotics. Why make robotics for POS fuel, when you can make a different P3, sell it for 10x as much, and then just buy 10x as many robotics off the market?
Anyone producing robotics (or other heavily stockpiled previously seeded items) is REALLY BAD at Eve Online. Produce things that are worth 10x more with the same effort, sell them, and buy 10x as much POS fuel.
You are forgetting about logistics issues as well as just doing it for the fun of being self-sufficient.
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Sol'Kanar
SRIUS BISNIS
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Posted - 2010.06.24 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: J'J'J'Jita Edited by: J''J''J''Jita on 24/06/2010 16:30:41 It looks like a nicely built tool, but it is promoting a horrible idea.
I'm just gonna throw this out there, but there are other benefits than monetary for making POS fuel in the system your POS is in.
Thinking caps plz. Private Nuisance Now Recruiting |
J'J'J'Jita
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Vasundhara
You are forgetting about logistics issues as well as just doing it for the fun of being self-sufficient.
If you run a POS or do PI and can't figure out how to easily get stuff back and forth from jita, I'd suggest you need to address your logistical issues.
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God Johnson
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2010.06.24 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: J'J'J'Jita
Originally by: Vasundhara
You are forgetting about logistics issues as well as just doing it for the fun of being self-sufficient.
If you run a POS or do PI and can't figure out how to easily get stuff back and forth from jita, I'd suggest you need to address your logistical issues.
You lost sight of one MAJOR point in all this. It's a GAME!! Quit being such a stiff and have some fun for F***'s sake. Who made you the expert at all that is smart/not smart in EVE anyway. If I wanna make POS fuel why do you really care? Are you trying to get more competition for your products? Now THAT sounds stupid.
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Vasundhara
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Posted - 2010.06.24 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: J'J'J'Jita
Originally by: Vasundhara
You are forgetting about logistics issues as well as just doing it for the fun of being self-sufficient.
If you run a POS or do PI and can't figure out how to easily get stuff back and forth from jita, I'd suggest you need to address your logistical issues.
Been a while since I personally worked out of 0.0, but lets just say even the time involved in moving the goods from Jita igoring security concerns would make it convinient to make POS fuel from PI.
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Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2010.06.25 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: J'J'J'Jita
Using PI to produce POS fuel is a dumb waste of time. Why? Because the POS fuel items are stockpiled to high heaven and their price is VERY low compared to other PI items of the same tier.
Wormhole and nullsec operations would benefit most from fuel production vs. an empire operation, but there are reasons for making and stockpiling POS fuels in empire too - wardec's come to mind. And I reject your opinion that this is promoting a horrible idea - I built this tool for a very specific purpose to which it will serve itself beautifully, I'm just sharing it with everyone else who might find it useful.
Using it in empire operations is *your* idea of how to use it because you live in empire - this assumes everyone else does too - but we don't :P
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goodgogo
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:26:00 -
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GREAT |
J'J'J'Jita
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Consortium Agent
Using it in empire operations is *your* idea of how to use it because you live in empire - this assumes everyone else does too - but we don't :P
This may come as a shock, but I don't live in empire, I'm a trade alt. I live in nullsec and anyone doing PI to make POS fuels in nullsec is a bad player with bad logistical connections. |
picchiatello
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Posted - 2010.06.25 04:38:00 -
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nice tool.
I ghive you advice.
It should be nice if u add column with m^3 of material and m^3 total
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Dalden V
Blue Lounge Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:06:00 -
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Nice tool.
I haven't yet decided if the clickfest is worth it to produce POS fuels though.
For me it's more about the total time spent refueling the POS than the cost to do so. In high-sec I paid for a fuel delivery service, but in my C4 wormhole where an exit to k-space is usually through another wormhole it's a bit more tricky.
To fuel a large tower for 30 days you need to transport 164,520 m3. 135,000 m3 of that is ice products and 29,520 m3 is PI goods.
So I have to decide is transporting 29,520 m3 (one Iteron 5) per month more of a chore than clicking on lots of extractors and moving stuff between planets?
At the moment I'd rather just haul it, especially considering I have to haul the ice products anyway and that I don't have any plasma planets so I have to move things around to produce all the PI pos fuels.
Perhaps I'll just do the easy ones, like Oxygen, and the cart in the rest along with the ice.
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Angel Kesh
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Posted - 2010.06.25 11:43:00 -
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Thanks, its a nice tool.
Originally by: J'J'J'Jita Edited by: J''J''J''Jita on 24/06/2010 16:30:41 It looks like a nicely built tool, but it is promoting a horrible idea.
Are you mad? Do you think that everybody plays eve for the same reasons as you do? Do you think every capsulear plays for the sole reason of profit? If somebody makes a tool that might benefit others use it or just stfu.
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FanaticalDevotion
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: J'J'J'Jita Edited by: J''J''J''Jita on 24/06/2010 16:30:41 It looks like a nicely built tool, but it is promoting a horrible idea.
Using PI to produce POS fuel is a dumb waste of time. Why? Because the POS fuel items are stockpiled to high heaven and their price is VERY low compared to other PI items of the same tier. Example: robotics. Why make robotics for POS fuel, when you can make a different P3, sell it for 10x as much, and then just buy 10x as many robotics off the market?
Anyone producing robotics (or other heavily stockpiled previously seeded items) is REALLY BAD at Eve Online. Produce things that are worth 10x more with the same effort, sell them, and buy 10x as much POS fuel.
Ya know, I could do as you suggest, but then I'll be in the position of having my towers dependant on players outside my control for fuelling.
That simple independence of others is one of the key wins with PI.
To your mind I'm really bad at eve online. To my mind, I'm insulating myself from future potential problems and engaging in a part of th game that I find fun and provides me with a material advantage.
If you can't see that advantage - then you're as horrible at eve online as I am.
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Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2010.06.25 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: J'J'J'Jita
Originally by: Consortium Agent
Using it in empire operations is *your* idea of how to use it because you live in empire - this assumes everyone else does too - but we don't :P
This may come as a shock, but I don't live in empire, I'm a trade alt. I live in nullsec and anyone doing PI to make POS fuels in nullsec is a bad player with bad logistical connections.
Please go troll another thread. You are not God of Eve, I am not God of Eve, nobody is God of Eve, except the GMs... are you a GM? No? Then STFU. I frankly don't care who you are or what you think you know about Eve - you clearly lack an understanding that Eve is a different experience for everyone who plays it and there are probably a hundred different reasons for making anything out of PI materials - POS fuels, POSs, arrays, T2 components - whatever - and your way is not the only way in Eve and, believe it or not, is not the best way either for any number of tactical reasons we won't go into here. A self-sufficient alliance is always win over an alliance reliant on logistics, or haven't you been paying attention to all the alliance wars over the years, oh wise one?
Moreover, being a pseudo know-it-all jackass, as you are, I'd be very surprised if you had any logistical connections whatsoever. Now be a good troll and go find someone else to bother with your 'wisdom'.
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Consortium Agent
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Posted - 2010.06.25 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: picchiatello nice tool.
I ghive you advice.
It should be nice if u add column with m^3 of material and m^3 total
Good idea and thank you for the suggestion. I've implemented this suggestion... sorta. :) I added the raw material weights - I'll work on adding the subsequent weights of materials required in the production process and provide an estimated total weight in a future update.
I've also modified the columns a bit to make it more readable and more user friendly.
Enjoy!
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J'J'J'Jita
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Posted - 2010.06.25 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Consortium Agent You are not God of Eve, I am not God of Eve, nobody is God of Eve, except the GMs... are you a GM? No?
When someone asks you if you're a god, you say "YES"!
I guess I do economic things in game to make a lot of isk. If that is not your goal, this tool is for you. Have fun.
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