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knentil
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Posted - 2010.06.22 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: knentil on 22/06/2010 20:39:35 Even In space I can hear the disapointment in ninja's when they go towards a wreck and just before they get in range I abandon it.
Sometimes Im thanked, but normally they just leave...
I just wish I could see their reaction when they steal the mission item and I tell them to keep it. :)
And this one time, I was doing the Damsel and I suddenly noticed a yellow stealth bomber wreck on overview, seems he was too close to the station when it blew.. oppps.
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Casmy Blue
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Posted - 2010.06.23 00:45:00 -
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Pretty sure all you guys just got trolled.
2/10?
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Sagacious Z
Minmatar Megaton m3 Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.23 02:05:00 -
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Edited by: Sagacious Z on 23/06/2010 02:05:34
Originally by: Jagged Bluetooth
High sec should be just that ...."high sec" Everyone goes on about the rights of player killers etc ...what about the carebears rights ?????
In a game where you employ marketing analysts etc to make eve as real as possible..isn't there something fundementally wrong promoting theft. ie you allow these people to be dishonest and they then can't tell the difference in real life !!????
Your error is that you are saying in high security in real life that it is total security. You are wrong, of course. Abe Lincloln and John F. Kennedy (among others)got assassinated with "high security protection."
My son served in Baghdad and the supposedly "high security" air base had its share of dead.
It is like real life. High security is "safer" but not 100% safe, both in EVE and in real life. You were given a good suggestion in this thread--figure out a way to kill the flipper or whatever by having alts/fleet buddies standing by. EVE without risk would not be a game worth playing. It is fine as it is.
Learn tactics!
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Frank d'Fairy
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Posted - 2010.06.23 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Sagacious Z
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As a soldier, I will thank you not to compare this game to a tour of duty. If you do have a son in the service, do him a favor a show some respect.
@OP
4/10 because it's starting to draw the "THIS IS LIKE RL," crowd from c&p.
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Sagacious Z
Minmatar Megaton m3 Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.23 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: Frank d'Fairy
Originally by: Sagacious Z
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As a soldier, I will thank you not to compare this game to a tour of duty.
As a soldier, I thank you for your service.
As a person obviously lacking the ability to read and comprehend, you REALLY need to take some school refresher courses. Contrary to your crazy statement, I did NOT "compare this game to a tour of duty".
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.06.23 05:58:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 23/06/2010 05:59:28
Quote: As a soldier, I will thank you not to compare this game to a tour of duty. If you do have a son in the service, do him a favor a show some respect.
How dare he use the military in an analogy to help the OP understand that the phrase "High security" does not necessarily mean "100% safe" and it can be used to mean "higher security than other areas".
No one should ever talk about the military without dead-faced seriousness
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I Legionnaire
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Posted - 2010.06.23 07:46:00 -
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lol, those tricky analogies always muddying the waters
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Obyrith
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Posted - 2010.06.23 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Jagged Bluetooth In a game where you employ marketing analysts etc to make eve as real as possible..isn't there something fundementally wrong promoting theft.
Capital = property. Property = theft. Therefore, Capitalism = theft. QED.
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Veronica Kerrigan
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:32:00 -
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I may be new to EVE, but I have read a lot about the lore. What you are asking is for CONCORD to step in and destroy the thief, unless I am much mistaken. In my readings I discovered that the different empire established CONCORD as a peace keeping force. In order to keep the peace, CONCORD must never be the first aggressor. However, it is still illegal to steal. In order to overcome this problem, CONCORD allows for personal retribution in the form of allowed aggression. Therefore, it is up to you to defend what is yours, and if that means killing off a can flipper, aren't you making the world a better place for everyone? These are just my musings on the topic, but there you have it.
XXOO, Vern
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B1FF
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Posted - 2010.06.24 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mael Sechnaill
Originally by: Alazontez Gallenteur
They don't employ analysts to make it more real. They employ analysts because this game has a very complex and dynamic mostly player driven economic structure and they want to have an idea of what will occur with said market when they make major changes. Its about keeping the system balanced and functional, not about realism.
LOL, how poetic. Truly, dedication towards their game is beyond comparison.
I think they NEED analysts because they made the mistake crossing the threshold of RL/ingame currencies. They want to be sure noone is able to beat the system easily, lest they want to run out of business. :D
What the ******* are you talking about? Until they provide a way to cash out isk what you say is completely false.
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mightypython
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:45:00 -
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As a carebearish mission runner myself I have had interesting if not exciting interaction with the TEARS service and other ninja's. It can be a lot of fun. Its a game. You just have to know when to hold em and know when to blitz the mission so they have no chance at you or your loot. Every player has the right to play the game as they wish.
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Vie Torn
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Posted - 2010.06.24 20:51:00 -
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as a carebear miner i am ok with pirates/ninja's coming into high sec and doing whatever they want. If they attack me first then they get blown up. If they want to spend their time going around and flipping cans to see if they can provoke a fight then i don't see why they can't. They are wasting more of their time than mine, so go right ahead.
Life isn't fair and neither is the game. It is about competition. You have to learn to outsmart them. Stop whining and go play "Hello Kitty Adventure Island".
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Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts
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Posted - 2010.06.24 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts on 24/06/2010 21:49:01
Originally by: zus ...pVp Players... ...pVe Players...
Why do people try to put everyone into little boxes... we are all playing the same game, we are all EVE players. The moment you undock a ship you are a consenting PvP target, that is a core fundamental of this game and if you cannot come to terms with this, then you need to find a different game to play. As a person who plays this game, you are accepting a certain amount of risk, no matter WHERE you decide to play, and to blindly cover ones ears and scream 'BUT I AM PEE VEE EEEEE!' makes not a whit of difference. --------------------------------------------
Quote: EVE-Online... Too rough for ya? Don't like it? GTFO...
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Tom Peeping
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Posted - 2010.06.24 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Tom Peeping on 24/06/2010 23:07:01
Originally by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts Edited by: Slapchop Gonnalovemynuts on 24/06/2010 21:49:01
Originally by: zus ...pVp Players... ...pVe Players...
Why do people try to put everyone into little boxes... we are all playing the same game, we are all EVE players. The moment you undock a ship you are a consenting PvP target, that is a core fundamental of this game and if you cannot come to terms with this, then you need to find a different game to play. As a person who plays this game, you are accepting a certain amount of risk, no matter WHERE you decide to play, and to blindly cover ones ears and scream 'BUT I AM PEE VEE EEEEE!' makes not a whit of difference.
obviously because boxes are convenient. I personally use the typical set of boxes most people seem to use.
If you make more money than I do, you're a carebear If you spend all your time on PVE, you're a noob AND a carebear If you fit your ships in a way that I don't, you're a noob. If you lose horribly to me in pvp, you're a noob. If you beat me in pvp, you're using Haxploits. If you fight exactly the same way I do, but just slightly lose to me or are set blue to me, you're obviously among the leet pvp crowd.
I think I can safely say that's the usual "boxing" method I see. |
Seylah
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Posted - 2010.06.25 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Meccros Edited by: Meccros on 20/06/2010 14:08:45 Confirming I was forced to defend myself when you began shooting your officer fit gun from your kronos at me. I was simply trying to conduct a business transaction and was offering to fetch you ships crew mission item for a small fee, the cleaning of wrecks from your deadspace was a free service we offer here at Suddenly Ninjas.
I had left but was then forced to return and defend my honor when you began calling me names in local. You were obviously looking for me when you stated in local that i was docked up. since you wanted to shoot at me again so badly i returned to oblige you.
You then told your corpmates that your drones were set to agressive (which doesn't work that way) who then proceded to enter local and question me about it. I then provided logs that proved that the first agression was from your Kaikka's Modified 425mm Railgun (of which i will resell to you and you alone for the fee of 165mil, 10mil cheaper than you had paid for it)
Think about the rights of ninja salvagers for a bit, the service we provide removes wrecks from space, thus making less items for the servers to track, and in turn reducing lag. It's a thankless job, but I like to think of it as my way of returning something to this great game and community after so many great years. But what do we get in return, shot at.
Wow that effective eh? Accepting applications? |
Krecian
Gallente Essence of Decay Black Cartel.
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Posted - 2010.06.25 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Krecian on 25/06/2010 04:00:30 Feh, I just set all my wrecks to abandoned and for some reason, I never get bothered. Half the time, I'm iffy about grabbing my salvager and making the jumps to clear the space, so the thought of getting ninjad at times is just a load off my mind.
I've had my missions invaded by ninjas twice. Both times I just ignored them and let them do their thing. Hell, first time they brought friends and helped me clear the mission, they were so thoughtful :p
Too many people take this game too dang seriously. Oh noes! My lewts are being stolen! I'm being invaded by griefer! Boo freakin' who. Gather those tears up, build a bridge, and get the hell over it.
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Jack Icegaard
The Omega Project
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Posted - 2010.06.25 05:50:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Icegaard on 25/06/2010 06:00:48 I never had anyone enter my missions in high-sec though I've been grinding up for jump clones on 3 chars (and also for faction stuff/ammo and Isk, of course). I probably got some 400k LP in Motsu but never saw anyone. (On occasions, I had a few sneaking in on missions in 0.0 but surely they weren't there to steal my loot, did not stick around to check).
So, visitor in missions can't be that big of a problem. Granted, some time have passed since i last visited the larger high-sec mission hubs so things may have changed. |
Tink3r Tr0n
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Posted - 2010.06.25 17:59:00 -
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I don't understand. If a T3 ships scans you down and warps into your mission, then starts to steal your loot why would you fire back? you could easily just warp out and go to one of your many L4 agents in a 10-15 jump radius.
Is this during a wardec? If you can't deal with a war do you not have the option of either making a strictly pve based character thats in a NPC corp or just leaving and joining a NPC corp until the war is over?
In this game you choose the risk. You can avoid going red, you can avoid wardecs. Whats the issue?
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Aurum Bellator
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.06.25 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Frank d'Fairy As a soldier, I will thank you not to compare this game to a tour of duty. If you do have a son in the service, do him a favor a show some respect.
@OP
4/10 because it's starting to draw the "THIS IS LIKE RL," crowd from c&p.
Buddy, no offense but your attitude sucks. He didn't compare Eve to a tour of duty, simply made a relevant analogy (which made sense). Your self-righteousness is offensive.
And yes I can say this because I too wear the uniform, and am writing to you at this moment from my duty station in Kuwait (deployed). So STFU.
AUB
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Drake Konstantin
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Posted - 2010.06.25 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Frank d'Fairy
Originally by: Sagacious Z
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As a soldier, I will thank you not to compare this game to a tour of duty. If you do have a son in the service, do him a favor a show some respect.
@OP
4/10 because it's starting to draw the "THIS IS LIKE RL," crowd from c&p.
must be an infantard
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Sagacious Z
Minmatar Megaton m3 Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.27 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Aurum Bellator
Originally by: Frank d'Fairy
Buddy, no offense but your attitude sucks. He didn't compare Eve to a tour of duty, simply made a relevant analogy (which made sense). Your self-righteousness is offensive.
And yes I can say this because I too wear the uniform, and am writing to you at this moment from my duty station in Kuwait (deployed). So STFU.
AUB
We have to wonder what Frank has to say about "Call of Duty", a simulation and a highly acclaimed one at that. If he stretches so far into the whacky zone to misstate what I said about his remark re game vs real life, one has to wonder what he has to say about "Call of Duty" and other warfare simulations where they try to simulate real life tactics, weapons, etc.
Because EVE is a game set into the future featuring techologies that have yet to be disscovered, not a simulation of current/past war campaigns such as "Call of Duty", that makes Frank's statement "comparing EVE to a tour of duty" even more ludicrous.
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Amarante Idama
Gallente Drunken Armed Pilots G String University
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Posted - 2010.06.27 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jagged Bluetooth Is a thief in eve surely not exactly the same as one in real life.
Nope, more like an interception in football.
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TEABO BAGGINS
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Posted - 2010.06.27 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Icegaard Edited by: Jack Icegaard on 22/06/2010 16:30:00
I do think that new players should be given a bit slack the first weeks as they are learning the basic mechanics.
Its possible with caution and a little luck to be a new player and avoid all the grief and podding. I do it by not trusting ANYONE, I tend to reject all random convo's sent, I might be missing out on opportunity/advancement but I have yet to be scammed or podded. I'm not trying to toot my horn or belittle/lecture you, just saying the immediate paranoia and lawlessness appeals to some new players immediately.
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Swiftbear
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.27 16:40:00 -
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So I'm only on lvl 3 missions and do not have experience with lvl 4 ships. But from what Ive heard and understand is that these leet lvl 4 mission running ships tank like 1000 DPS ?? and put out a good deal of damage, so how are these ships getting ganked so easy from ninjas ?
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Kerr avonn
Minmatar Fine Red Mist
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Posted - 2010.06.28 10:28:00 -
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Edited by: Kerr avonn on 28/06/2010 10:36:58
Originally by: Swiftbear So I'm only on lvl 3 missions and do not have experience with lvl 4 ships. But from what Ive heard and understand is that these leet lvl 4 mission running ships tank like 1000 DPS ?? and put out a good deal of damage, so how are these ships getting ganked so easy from ninjas ?
Because their tank is specific to the npc's damage. Fighting angels a mission runner would tank for KIN/EXP damage, so would be extremely weak against EM/THERM...:enter PvP player in a frig (or some such cheap crap) steal's from you wreck, you think "he's red, shoot him" he then skulks off in his pod and you might think "that'll teach the bastard to steal from me" so you carry on with the mission...the trap is laid. Re-enter PvP player with prolly a serious buffer tank B/S, scrams you, webs you firing EM damage and its facemelt time for the mission runner.
You have two options, 1. ignore 2. pop and dock
EDIT...Sometimes these mission runner ship drop mods that cost over 1 billion isk
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Opertone
Caldari Metalworks Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.06.28 12:53:00 -
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I fully support ninja looting, I haven't ninjaed missions yet... But I am alsways there to steal from low sec fights, salvage tech 2 wrecks and steal left over drones.
To me stealing from a killer is a noble act of ass-wit-ness and causing hysteria in gankers. If I have nothing to do, I'll fit a DED site dweller killer-destroyer and give them all faction loot in their own wreck. I am also fond of breaking hulks under concord fire, it's so exciting.
Not because I am a bad person, just because I want to hurt those who manipulate the game in someway to get advantage. I want to steal that advantage from them.
I am not excited about killing ratters and ganking industrials.
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Kojee
AnTi. Atrocitas
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Posted - 2010.06.28 18:26:00 -
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Think back to those text-based games, etc. Ever get poisoned by a random player that wanted to steal your stuff?
That's us. Whether you like it or not, we effectively make the game more fun for everyone. If you never had to worry about people randomly coming in and giving you a hard time, what fun could you be having? Endlessly grinding missions and picking up loot day in and day out?
Now add in your typical griefer or ninja looter, whatever you want. Now there's a bit of a risk, more variability in your every-day activities, and therefore more fun.
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Drykor
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2010.06.28 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Swiftbear So I'm only on lvl 3 missions and do not have experience with lvl 4 ships. But from what Ive heard and understand is that these leet lvl 4 mission running ships tank like 1000 DPS ?? and put out a good deal of damage, so how are these ships getting ganked so easy from ninjas ?
a) Mission ships usually rely on capacitor. If you get neuted, you can't tank. b) 1000 dps tanked is way too much for tanking level 4's. Most people fit for efficiency which means as much tank as you need and the rest is for damage. My fairly expensive mission ship (that I haven't flown for over a year) does have a 1k dps burst tank but can only tank 434 dps permanently. It's always been more than enough for any level 4, though I actually have to manage my cap in Angels Recon 1 c) Resist holes, you tank for the mission damage types and usually leave the other resists open.
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Gregore Jandori
Caldari Ice-Storm
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Posted - 2010.06.28 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Icegaard Edited by: Jack Icegaard on 22/06/2010 16:30:00 The normal pattern is that pirate destroys victim -> Victim goes ballistic in local and/or eve-mail:
ôpirate must be gayö
ôpirate has very small manhoodö
ôpirate is <long list of derogatory names>ö
Quote:
You forgot:
"pirate must be using an exploit"
"game must be broken"
"the pirate must be/know a dev/GM/witch"
Seriously... does the OP really think that the pilot that just ninja'd him is really after that small shield booster I? His ammo probably costs more. Take it as a lesson in survival techniques and move on.
Although I'm sure I don't need to tell a pilot flying an officer-fit Kronos this - he's sure to know it already.
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Ankbar
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Posted - 2010.06.28 20:17:00 -
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Tried to resist commenting, but I'm not. First-offs: I am pretty much a carebear, perusing the PVP forum to see what I could learn. Came upon this thread. I think the OP is ridiculously trolling--if he wants to complain about getting taken out by another player, why is he doing it in the PVP forum??
PVP is not evil and it is clearly a very stong component of EVE. It is how they designed it. And it is just a game. However, there are a few ideas from the PVP camp that I wanted to counter.
Don't try to excuse your PVP or ninjaing as some kind of public service. That's ridiculous. And don't say you make the game "more fun"--'fun' is a subjective word, not something factual and absolute.
Equating in-game actions to actions in RL is also ridiculous. However, I am more interested in the attitude. Everyone knows that unless someone is in a war-dec'ed corp, someone running missions in hi-sec is probably doing that because at the moment they do not want to be involved in PVP. To grief them (am I using that word correctly) is simply inconsiderate. There are tons of people who are transversing 0.4 and below--they are obviously willingly engaging in the PVP aspect of the game, go play with them. (Unless it's an ignorant newb. I got taken out that way when I first started.) Yes, yes, if they undock they are agreeing to possible PVP, I get that. However, that arguement seems weak to me because there is no PVE-only version of EVE. If one likes the game that EVE is as a single-player, their only option is to fly in hi-sec. And they are not suited for the fight, so it's not like it's a challenge(the common reason why gamers in general prefer PVP over PVE.)
Just seems to me that such players and being....I'll say 'mean' by forcing a type of game play on other people that they don't want. No one is forcing you to only mine or run missions in hi-sec and abstain from PVP, what is the reasoning for doing the reverse? |
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