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Guilliman R
Gallente PRO Space Hunters HUNTER'S BROTHERHOOD
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Posted - 2010.06.18 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ak'athra J'ador yeah CCP how about making mining profitable again?
I agree, remove 80% of all ore in highsec belts. |
Camios
Minmatar Insurgent New Eden Tribe
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Posted - 2010.06.18 22:31:00 -
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The only way to make mining profitable is to kill ships, and increase the demand for minerals.
Other ways will not work.
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Illwill Bill
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2010.06.18 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dan O'Connor
Originally by: Freemunt Jones You can mine in this game?
Confirming you can do this, sitting in a Hulk
I thought those were NPC's.
By the gods, what have I done?! Additionally, it really infuriates me, when people use some pointless rant about signatures as a sig. |
Octoven
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Posted - 2010.06.18 22:49:00 -
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Everyone wants to "shove" miners out of high sec into low and 0.0 to hunt and kill but that isnt pvp thats pvNC. Dont know what NC is? It means Non-Combatent. This would be the equivalent to fighting a war and going to look for and kill civilians instead of the military. It may be fun but common, can you honestly say, if you were mining, that you would enjoy a person coming up to kill you? Combat pilots may make the game fun but its the miners who make it possible. Without them the economy in eve would be in the ****hole. So no lets not remove any belts from high sec. There is a constant battle to bring miners out of high sec to shoot and keeping them in to support the shooters. Guess what it is perfectly balanced as is removing belts will not solve this. If a miner wants to leave the comforts of high sec so be it.
As for insurance yes it got nerfed big. I insured a raven the other day and to my surprise it was only 70 mil payout I was sort of ****ed and didnt even bother to take insurance. Look at it this way you have 70 mil isk in your wallet, you spend it on a raven and now have 0.00. Never-mind the fact you have to get mods and all. Then you decide you want o use it in a fight now you insure it at platinum level with the assumption you will get the highest amount payed back basically 100%. For a fee of 22 mil you take it and your wallet is now -22 mil. Whoops raven popped and you get payed back 70 mil so your wallet will balance for 48 mil. Congradulations you now no longer have the funds to replace that raven. You should be getting the insurance fee back and it should be based on the level of insurance you take out. For example if I take out platinum I get back 100% of insurance fee if I pop.Gold 80%, Silver 60%, Bronze 40%, Standard 20%, and Basic 0%. This way when you PAY FOR THE BEST you get the BEST.
It is true the 49 mil is better then the 0 you would not have had if you had not taken out insurance but you really arent getting 100% back and I would only expect payouts like that from the cheaper insurance. Although I still don't see how this kills mining infact.....with lower payouts it means you have to mine more after losing a ship to replace it. Mining profession should increase along with price of minerals as they ill become more useful. So to that I must disagree with you that this is death of mining. Miners are a strong lot they will adapt as I am sure you will. That is assuming you survive the gay Hulkageddon
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.06.18 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki i am truley sorry for your lots
I see what you did thar...
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Julius Romanus
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.18 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Julius Romanus on 18/06/2010 23:23:42
Originally by: Octoven Everyone wants to "shove" miners out of high sec into low and 0.0 to hunt and kill but that isnt pvp thats pvNC. Dont know what NC is? It means Non-Combatent. This would be the equivalent to fighting a war and going to look for and kill civilians instead of the military. It may be fun but common, can you honestly say, if you were mining, that you would enjoy a person coming up to kill you? Combat pilots may make the game fun but its the miners who make it possible. Without them the economy in eve would be in the ****hole. So no lets not remove any belts from high sec. There is a constant battle to bring miners out of high sec to shoot and keeping them in to support the shooters. Guess what it is perfectly balanced as is removing belts will not solve this. If a miner wants to leave the comforts of high sec so be it.
As for insurance yes it got nerfed big. I insured a raven the other day and to my surprise it was only 70 mil payout I was sort of ****ed and didnt even bother to take insurance. Look at it this way you have 70 mil isk in your wallet, you spend it on a raven and now have 0.00. Never-mind the fact you have to get mods and all. Then you decide you want o use it in a fight now you insure it at platinum level with the assumption you will get the highest amount payed back basically 100%. For a fee of 22 mil you take it and your wallet is now -22 mil. Whoops raven popped and you get payed back 70 mil so your wallet will balance for 48 mil. Congradulations you now no longer have the funds to replace that raven. You should be getting the insurance fee back and it should be based on the level of insurance you take out. For example if I take out platinum I get back 100% of insurance fee if I pop.Gold 80%, Silver 60%, Bronze 40%, Standard 20%, and Basic 0%. This way when you PAY FOR THE BEST you get the BEST.
It is true the 49 mil is better then the 0 you would not have had if you had not taken out insurance but you really arent getting 100% back and I would only expect payouts like that from the cheaper insurance. Although I still don't see how this kills mining infact.....with lower payouts it means you have to mine more after losing a ship to replace it. Mining profession should increase along with price of minerals as they ill become more useful. So to that I must disagree with you that this is death of mining. Miners are a strong lot they will adapt as I am sure you will. That is assuming you survive the gay Hulkageddon
I have nothing against miners not wanting to get ransomed or podded out in lowsec. But come on, you really thing insurance was supposed to cover the whole ship? It never did that until ship prices dropped massively a few years ago. Even then it was only most. You are geting 48mil magically transported into your wallet for losing. Take it and dont complain.
Also, you are missing what the whine here is with mining. The old insurance values made a soft cap on how low minerals could go. That floor was just lowered. Minerals are now selling for less. Miners are complaining. ------------------ Fix Rockets. |
Afrodite Draconis
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Posted - 2010.06.18 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Wyke Mossari
2) A huge mineral sink.
War.
That's the correct answer.
And CCP is slowly doing that, by nerfing carebear L4 missioning from empire.
We will have wars going on again soon!
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Lashnar
Caldari LEGEND OF THE SHADOW GUARD
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Posted - 2010.06.18 23:44:00 -
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Being a miner myself I hate the low prices. But relizing that I would love a war. I don't want mineral prices to rise. I want ship prices to lower. My dream is to be able to waster Battlecruisers and cruisers on pvp without worry. A war would be great too.
What I want. Is mining made more fun then "staring meanly out the window." Welcome to EVE. |
Angry B0B
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Posted - 2010.06.18 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Afrodite Draconis
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
2) A huge mineral sink.
War.
That's the correct answer.
And CCP is slowly doing that, by nerfing carebear L4 missioning from empire.
We will have wars going on again soon!
War is not a solution, Wars = Lagfest !
Removing 80-90% of mining ressources from Empire, Miners should go in low and null, thus opening new markets.
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Julius Romanus
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.06.18 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Angry B0B
Originally by: Afrodite Draconis
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
2) A huge mineral sink.
War.
That's the correct answer.
And CCP is slowly doing that, by nerfing carebear L4 missioning from empire.
We will have wars going on again soon!
War is not a solution, Wars = Lagfest !
Removing 80-90% of mining ressources from Empire, Miners should go in low and null, thus opening new markets.
You cant herd a sheep into a lions den. Folks interested in mining in lowsec/0.0 already do, especially 0.0 ------------------ Fix Rockets. |
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Aggelos Theristes
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Posted - 2010.06.19 00:14:00 -
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Look at it this way, for every miner that decides it isn't worth their while there will be less minerals on the market and prices will rise (macro'er aside!). Minerals have been at this level for ages, it was only the old insurance models keeping them at the prices they were at.
Mining is the lowest of the low. It's your minimum wage profession. There are so many more ways of making a living in Eve that give you a better result and require less time too. I don't really know what would possess someone to mine for hours, when you could just station trade for 20 minutes a day at a secondary hub and make at least as much money.
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Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.06.19 01:15:00 -
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Yet CCP must obviously want people to mine legitimately. I don't understand why they are making a system where it's worthless to do so for the average person compared to almost every other means of generating income.
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Memphis Raines
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Posted - 2010.06.19 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sinister Mephisto CCP won't ban macro users or scammers as they would be losing money from the loss of those accounts. Many people present evidence of people who macro, or are at least very likely too, and nothing is ever done. Unholy Rage, sadly, was likely just for show
Yes, they'll never ban macro users. Unholy Rage never happened and CCP never canned 6200 accounts in one go.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2010.06.19 05:11:00 -
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The are likely to be many wild swings in the market as the laws of supply and demand make their presence felt, and people that hoarded goods of all types try to manipulate it.
This is not unexpected, nor will it last forever.
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ObviousTroll Alt
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.06.19 05:14:00 -
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Originally by: Memphis Raines
Originally by: Sinister Mephisto CCP won't ban macro users or scammers as they would be losing money from the loss of those accounts. Many people present evidence of people who macro, or are at least very likely too, and nothing is ever done. Unholy Rage, sadly, was likely just for show
Yes, they'll never ban macro users. Unholy Rage never happened and CCP never canned 6200 accounts in one go.
You obviously missed the point. I have reported easily 100 macro miners. Characters you see mining 23/7. And they are still there, still mining.
While I understand that some people can't sleep, or go on EVE Binges and stay up for a day or two doing stuff, you can't do that 23/7 month after month. The human body just isn't capable of doing it. So it is fairly easy to say with 100% confidence that those who do, are running a macro program.
It isn't hard to code a script to look for people logged on 23/7 and then a subscript to check their ship type for the ORE Mining ships. A third script to check their docking/undocking activity over a week or two. A character that is docking and undocking 23/7-14 can fairly reliably be considered a macro.
At that point, CCP should simply Ban that account outright. No temp ban, a Perma ban.
It won't take long to rid eve of Macro Miners by doing that.
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Bryg Philomena
Don't Taze Me Bro
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Posted - 2010.06.19 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: waylander Dakeyras
Originally by: Hans Krieger i hear the NC will be wanting LOTS of minerals now :P
Nah, for some reason it seems NC got some of their ships back... make of it what you will but it seems the lagdeath reimb rules are applied differently for NC to the rest of the population.
GM Grimmi has already said that the ships in space were a bug caused by lag. They were not spawned by the GMs and (my understanding) likely will not stay ingame.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Shakon
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Posted - 2010.06.19 06:20:00 -
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unholy rage what a joke if they had really done it 2/3rds of null would be gone for macro ratting.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.19 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Angry B0B
Originally by: Afrodite Draconis
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
2) A huge mineral sink.
War.
That's the correct answer.
And CCP is slowly doing that, by nerfing carebear L4 missioning from empire.
We will have wars going on again soon!
War is not a solution, Wars = Lagfest !
Removing 80-90% of mining ressources from Empire, Miners should go in low and null, thus opening new markets.
They would mine in wormholes.
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Aeternus IV
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Posted - 2010.06.19 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Memphis Raines
Originally by: Sinister Mephisto CCP won't ban macro users or scammers as they would be losing money from the loss of those accounts. Many people present evidence of people who macro, or are at least very likely too, and nothing is ever done. Unholy Rage, sadly, was likely just for show
Yes, they'll never ban macro users. Unholy Rage never happened and CCP never canned 6200 ALTS in one go.
Fixed it for ya ;)
As for insurance "nerf"... it wasn't a nerf.
Get off ur noob career ya whiner
It now hurts when you die. :D Cheaper ships :D All is as it should be. If mining isn't profitable ENOUGH for you... then don't. If enough pepole do that, eventually supply will diminish thus boosting prices :)
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RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.06.19 08:44:00 -
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if everything is cheaper why should you get paid more?
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Sealiah
Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
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Posted - 2010.06.19 08:51:00 -
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I don't see how that is a problem that the armageddon costs 32m isk. That's good! That's great! New players will jump into battleships fast, they will make more isk on missions, there will be more isk on the market and finally there should start to be the inflation - free market baby. It's not that minerals appear on the market from no where. They appear because some people mine them or reprocess modules. Mostly mine, at least I hope so. It's just a matter of how valuable people think their time is, if they find mining profit worth it, sure, go and mine.
Mind also one more thing - making the orca some time ago completely changed high sec mining. Huge cargo, more bonuses to yield, it's easier to mine far more ore now than it was some time before. It's quite obvious that ore gets cheaper once you can mine 25% more of it...
I personally like it the way it is.
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Guilliman R
Gallente PRO Space Hunters HUNTER'S BROTHERHOOD
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Posted - 2010.06.19 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Guilliman R on 19/06/2010 09:31:14 I don't want to push miners to low sec/0.0 so they can be hunted.
I want to remove half of the miners in high sec. Especially macro miners.
A) Remove 50-75% of all quantity of ore in highsec. B) Make belts hidden and require scanning. Downtime Spawns the belt somewhere else requiring a new probe search.
A makes miners more scarce, thus driving up all prices. B makes it harder on macro miners, further decreasing the unlimited supply of high sec minerals.
Also, who cares if ships and modules end up costing 20% more. It's not like isk is hard to make. Stuff you look from enemies will be worth more as well. In direct retrospect, missioning income will seem lower as everything costs more. |
Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.19 10:25:00 -
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I'm pleased to report that the prize pot for Hulkageddon III is now higher than the last one, in only 4 days.
I would like to invite all serious, capable miners to contribute and to join the fun!
(no I'm not asking for your isk, though more donations are always welcome).
Why don't you guys just get your friends, collectively train up some basic catalyst pilots, join the hulkageddon orphanage corp with them and help us take down a metric poop-ton of macro miners?
It's easy, it's fun, you can do it with minimal training on a disposable alt, you can win prizes AND help the economy.
If a lot of people who dared not do so last time join in, perhaps we can outdo last time's 1200 exhumers to a significant degree.
If you can't do that, might I recommend that some of you start up a simple macro-miner reporting channel and feed intel to the gankers so they can more effectively strike at desirable targets rather than innocents?
I am not under the delusion we can "kill" macro mining with hulkageddon... but if we take down two thousand of their ships or so, it surely can't hurt, can it?
regards,
Helicity (who thinks all professions should be viable)
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Dodgy Past
Amarr Debitum Naturae BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2010.06.19 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Afrodite Draconis
Originally by: Wyke Mossari
2) A huge mineral sink.
War.
That's the correct answer.
And CCP is slowly doing that, by nerfing carebear L4 missioning from empire.
We will have wars going on again soon!
All those carebears who think null sec has nothing to do with them should think about this point very carefully.
At the moment the null sec powers aren't fighting half as much as they'd like because large engagements are completely broken. Miners who want to make more isk should be begging CCP to fix this so more ships get blown up. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards. |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.21 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Guilliman R Edited by: Guilliman R on 19/06/2010 09:31:14 I don't want to push miners to low sec/0.0 so they can be hunted.
I want to remove half of the miners in high sec. Especially macro miners.
A) Remove 50-75% of all quantity of ore in highsec. B) Make belts hidden and require scanning. Downtime Spawns the belt somewhere else requiring a new probe search.
A makes miners more scarce, thus driving up all prices. B makes it harder on macro miners, further decreasing the unlimited supply of high sec minerals.
Also, who cares if ships and modules end up costing 20% more. It's not like isk is hard to make. Stuff you look from enemies will be worth more as well. In direct retrospect, missioning income will seem lower as everything costs more.
Are you aware of the results?
Shortage of low ends -> 0.0 miners till need to mine all the minerals to keep mining upgrades up -> over-abundance of high end -> high end prices tanks and low end prices increase -> less isk for the 0.0 miners.
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Guilliman R
Gallente PRO Space Hunters HUNTER'S BROTHERHOOD
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Posted - 2010.06.21 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul
Are you aware of the results?
Shortage of low ends -> 0.0 miners till need to mine all the minerals to keep mining upgrades up -> over-abundance of high end -> high end prices tanks and low end prices increase -> less isk for the 0.0 miners.
A few tweaks could be applied.
Only high sec ore is probe hidden, low sec and 0.0 belts remain as they are.
Low sec belts get "Very dense" ore types, yielding 50% more minerals per m¦. 0.0 belts get "Ultra dense" ore types yielding 100-150% extra mins per m¦.
This creates the choice for miners. You don't need to mine more m¦ in lowsec/0.0 for a better profit. So it's a bit easier. Mineral spread is more balanced with most coming from lowsec/0.0. Added benefit of low/0.0 ore to be easier to move.
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Spurty
Caldari D00M. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2010.06.21 15:18:00 -
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Remove all belts from empire (0.5 up). Even in missions.
Its te only way to be sure!
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Kacer Xenro
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Posted - 2010.06.21 15:25:00 -
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welp, if everyone stops mining then its gonna become profitable again
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Mr M
Legion of Illuminated Social Rejects
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Posted - 2010.06.21 15:47:00 -
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Less risk, less income. It's a simple concept really. High sec mining is less risky, therefor it will give you less income. If you want to earn more, take up another profession. Or trick people into taking up other professions through telling everyone that mining is utterly nerfed to hell.
Hmm... I see what you did there.
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Kerfira
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.21 15:59:00 -
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It is blindingly simple...
In an MMO with a free economy, an activity will pay roughly proportional to the EFFORT involved, NOT the time spent.
In effect, this translates to at-the-keyboard time. So if a 30 minute activity (for example mission running) requires 30 minuts ATK time, it will pay 6 times as much as a 30 minute activity (for example mining) that only require 5 minutes ATK time. This is of course just a simplified example, since there are more variables in play. The principle remains the same though.
The free economy will (now that the last artificial constraint has been removed) see that miners will receive EXACTLY the reward they deserve relative to EVE's other activities!
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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