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Echskrata	Posted - 2010.06.15 20:13:00 - [1] I'm stuck at a dillema, I built a dom for t4 missions, Rigs- Cap Control Circut 1 Aux Nano Pump 1 Aux Nano Pump 1 High Slots- Drone Link Augmentor Drone Link Augmentor Salvager 1 Small Tractor Beam 2 Beam Lasers for pulling Med Slots- 5x Cap Recharger II Low Slots-(here's my dillemma, I can either fit 3 Large Armor Repairers, 2 Armor Hardners, and 2 Cap Relay II's, or I can fit 2 Large Armor Reps with 4 Armor Hardeners with 1 Cap Relay 2. I'm really not sure which would give me the higher tank on say a t4 mission like Angel Extravaganza. Anybody done the math there?
AtheistOfDoom Amarr The Corporation That Does Things	Posted - 2010.06.15 20:17:00 - [2] You really only need one rep and 3-4 hardeners. For a dominix fit a sentry damage augmenter and some 350mm railguns so you can actually do some damage. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Footoo Rama Gallente Cast-a-Ways.	Posted - 2010.06.15 20:20:00 - [3] Yes alot of people have done the math, and 3x LAR is failure, your cap will dry up in a heartbeat. Low skills go single LAR, higher skills can go to single LAR. LAR - Large Armour Rep ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.06.15 20:30:00 - [4] Originally by: Footoo Rama Yes alot of people have done the math, and 3x LAR is failure, your cap will dry up in a heartbeat. Low skills go dual LAR, higher skills can go to single LAR. LAR - Large Armour Rep Fixed that. Ideally, make sure you have decent drone skills and space for omnis in the mids and at least one SDA as a rig.
Echskrata	Posted - 2010.06.15 20:30:00 - [5] My cap doesn't dry up, I can run the 3 reps indefinatly, so I'm cap stable either way, and it's pve so I don't really have to worry about energy neuts. and even with 4 armor hardeners and 2 reps I've had my tank broken by like angel bonus room and such. so I know 1 rep and 4 hardeners wouldn't work. I'm not worried about my damage here, just the tank.
MWDrive	Posted - 2010.06.15 20:38:00 - [6] 4xhardeners + 2x LAR >> 2x hardener + 3x LAR If you can't tank AE with 4xhardeners and 2xLARs and 2x ANP, you've got some other issues, since most people tank it with 4x hardeners + LAR + ANP.... BTW, use EFT for math.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.06.15 20:48:00 - [7] I must be very seriously avoiding work today to post quite this much. But here goes nothing; Originally by: Echskrata My cap doesn't dry up, I can run the 3 reps indefinatly, so I'm cap stable either way, and it's pve so I don't really have to worry about energy neuts. The first time you encounter Blood Raiders they will laugh so hard at you they might not even shoot straight. Nor will they need to. Originally by: Echskrata and even with 4 armor hardeners and 2 reps I've had my tank broken by like angel bonus room and such. so I know 1 rep and 4 hardeners wouldn't work. I'm not worried about my damage here, just the tank. Annoying old adage: gank is a form of tank. By not using bonused guns -- and apparently not using sentries -- you're not taking down opposing damage quickly enough to negate the need for your ridiculous tank. Try it the other way around: fit just enough tank to survive and as much gank as possible to mitigate incoming damage. Furthermore, if you know you're going in to a mission that can have overwhelming damage, why not fit for it while in the meantime fitting more gank? Swapping around fits is pretty trivial if you know what you're facing. But at the very least, don't triple rep. You're doing something else wrong if you hit that point.
Echskrata	Posted - 2010.06.15 21:41:00 - [8] so negative, and why do people refuse to answer the question I asked? Not which fit other people use, or which one is recommended, I just want to know which fit can tank more damage. Like I wanna be able to solo a t5 mission like most people do t4's. I Like my rediculous defense, and just need to know what's stronger, not opinions on how to cut done my tank. I want the max tank possible.
Mordican	Posted - 2010.06.15 21:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Echskrata Like I wanna be able to solo a t5 mission like most people do t4's. I Like my rediculous defense, and just need to know what's stronger, not opinions on how to cut down my tank. I want the max tank possible. A Dominix has zero change of soloing an L5 mission. Doesn't matter how many hardners and what not you have on there, you will be neuted and you will die. For L4 missions a dual LAR setup with 3 hardners will work, some may need a 4th. Another option to consider is a LAR and a MAR. Perma the LAR and pulse the MAR as needed. It will free up some cap fitting spots for you. Also try one ANP and one Nanobot accel. The two stack better then 2x ANP, though it will cut into your cap a bit. The rigs will benefit the MAR as well.
Echskrata	Posted - 2010.06.15 22:11:00 - [10] Originally by: Mordican Originally by: Echskrata Like I wanna be able to solo a t5 mission like most people do t4's. I Like my rediculous defense, and just need to know what's stronger, not opinions on how to cut down my tank. I want the max tank possible. A Dominix has zero change of soloing an L5 mission. Doesn't matter how many hardners and what not you have on there, you will be neuted and you will die. For L4 missions a dual LAR setup with 3 hardners will work, some may need a 4th. Another option to consider is a LAR and a MAR. Perma the LAR and pulse the MAR as needed. It will free up some cap fitting spots for you. Also try one ANP and one Nanobot accel. The two stack better then 2x ANP, though it will cut into your cap a bit. The rigs will benefit the MAR as well. Holy crap, how not helpful can you be. I've done t5 missions with a battlecruiser for company and guess what, I tanked it in my dominix! So bite me!, and I specifically said I don't wanna cut down my tank and you recommend going from 3 reps to 1 larg and 1 med? yeah... right... thanks. useless

Felix Esperium Lysergic Distortions Research and Development	Posted - 2010.06.15 22:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Echskrata Holy crap, how not helpful can you be. I've done t5 missions with a battlecruiser for company and guess what, I tanked it in my dominix! So bite me!, and I specifically said I don't wanna cut down my tank and you recommend going from 3 reps to 1 larg and 1 med? yeah... right... thanks. useless before this goes any farther I think you need to explain exactly what you mean by t5 missions.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.06.15 22:31:00 - [12] Originally by: Echskrata so negative, and why do people refuse to answer the question I asked? Not which fit other people use, or which one is recommended, I just want to know which fit can tank more damage. Because it's a dumb question. But here's the best I could do staying under officer mods: [Dominix, i am tank domi hear me roar] Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay Corpus X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener Corpus X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener Corpus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Corpus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Imperial Navy Cap Recharger Imperial Navy Cap Recharger Imperial Navy Cap Recharger Imperial Navy Cap Recharger Imperial Navy Cap Recharger [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Nanobot Accelerator I (2256 against Guristas and Serpentis with my skills, just not my wallet.) So I guess the answer is only two reppers? Originally by: Echskrata Like I wanna be able to solo a t5 mission like most people do t4's. I Like my rediculous defense, and just need to know what's stronger, not opinions on how to cut down my tank. I want the max tank possible. You've been told this before but I'll reiterate just for the hell of it: cap-dependent tanks die to L5s. Because of neut towers. That's just how it goes. This eliminates armor repping altogether, active shield repping, and semi-passive shield repping. Soloing an L5 can only really been done in a fully passive NH or Rattlesnake with any real efficiency. There's a chance a Navy Domi could also manage but I haven't run the numbers. Anyhoo. You have been given your answer already: two reppers and four hardeners wins. The third is just eating cap and being generally inefficient; don't do it. Even an ANP II would probably be a better choice.
Telvani	Posted - 2010.06.15 22:41:00 - [13] your doing it wrong, protip: most L4s dont need anything more than 1 LAR II, 4 slot tank, some want a 4th hardener, everything else is stupid, the 3 damage mod rule no long only applies to PVP. Why people spend stupid amounts on tank for L4s I will never understand
MWDrive	Posted - 2010.06.15 23:37:00 - [14] Oh, damn it. I wrote such a nice reply, but forum ate it. So instead of that I'll give you nice setup. Don't listen to people talking domi can't tank lvl5. Setup below tanks them perfectly. [Dominix Navy Issue, New Setup 1] Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Corpus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Centus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Centus X-Type Armor Kinetic Hardener Centus X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener Centus X-Type Armor Thermic Hardener Centum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I btw, send me a mail when you decide to test it on lvl5 and include location please.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.06.15 23:57:00 - [15] Originally by: MWDrive btw, send me a mail when you decide to test it on lvl5 and include location please. I was in line first, damn it .
Footoo Rama Gallente Cast-a-Ways.	Posted - 2010.06.16 00:41:00 - [16] to the op... We must be doing it wrong... Since we all tank single or dual lar... AE Bonus room is one of those exceptions to the rule, most people cannot solo tank that room even with t2 fits, until you lower incoming DPS. The incoming DPS is very high and tends to overwhelm the majority of Domi fits even then the triple repped Domi is not the best idea... go open up EFT set damage to Angel and see the effects on your sustained tank numbers. As for dual link augmentors wtf? why do you need 2 or your skills that low? You should be native to at least 50km which is plenty for all but one or 2 Level 4 missions, 90km is overkill, 70km will cover all but I think one mission if you are using Sentry drones. You are not using Omni's so you do not have skills for Sentry drones? or are you just missing out on the damage that 2x omni provide with sentry drones? Sure your ship will work but there are much much better ways then a tripple repped domi. ------- "Because the Dominix is the Chuck Norris of Eve!"
Lego Maniac Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.06.16 00:50:00 - [17] everyone ignores your question because you can figure it out yourself with a minimal amount of EFT-fu __________________________________________________________ ˄ ____________ ˄
Hait	Posted - 2010.06.16 01:07:00 - [18] Edited by: Hait on 16/06/2010 01:07:41 download EFT and answer your own question. <edit> beaten
Byzan Zwyth Firebird Squadron	Posted - 2010.06.16 05:07:00 - [19] yeah should just delete this board and replace it with a link to EFT..... Sig removed. Lacks EVE related content. For more information feel free to contact Mods@ccpgames.com. ~Saint
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.16 07:37:00 - [20] For such questions, yes.

Mournful Conciousness	Posted - 2010.08.26 10:55:00 - [21] The initial question was about Angel Extravaganza. You will be able to tank this mission easily using 2xExplosive Hardener, 1xThermal Hardener, 1x damage control and a large armour repairer. To do the final room at the very end you will probably need another large armour repairer and perhaps a kinetic hardener. Angel Cartel do mainly explosive damage, which is the Gallente's weak spot. That's why you were getting chewed up.
Headerman	Posted - 2010.08.26 11:24:00 - [22] I think the logical option is to run 3 LARs if you can, while skilling up the resistance skills to 5, then run 2?
Cataca	Posted - 2010.08.27 09:00:00 - [23] ANY skill in mechanic is more useful for tanking missions than resistance skills to 5... even rig skills. or ehp ones.
Aainti	Posted - 2010.08.27 10:10:00 - [24] If you really need three LARs in a level 4, your skills suck. May I ask how many skills points you have in drones and mechanics? The maximum number you will need is 2 with crappy skills. Once you have decent drone and armour skills 1 rep will do all the work. I currently run my Domi with one rep. It won't perma run because some of my mids are taken up by drone link things, but I don't need it too. I only need to pulse it a few times a minute, if that.
Kidain Gallente Rule of Five	Posted - 2010.08.27 10:41:00 - [25] Ye gods its alive! The poor thing was resting in it's grave and you went and dug it up! check the date of the original post -------------------------------------- In an infinite universe, the one thing sentient life cannot afford to have is a sense of proportion. - Douglas Adams
TheMahdi	Posted - 2010.08.27 10:41:00 - [26] Obvious arrogant noob is obvious noob. 9/10
Hugh JinJapan	Posted - 2010.08.27 11:05:00 - [27] Edited by: Hugh JinJapan on 27/08/2010 11:06:15 Holy hell. Just noticed I'm necro posting in a necro thread.
Asuze	Posted - 2010.08.27 12:21:00 - [28] Originally by: Echskrata I'm stuck at a dillema, I built a dom for t4 missions, Rigs- Cap Control Circut 1 Aux Nano Pump 1 Aux Nano Pump 1 High Slots- Drone Link Augmentor Drone Link Augmentor Salvager 1 Small Tractor Beam 2 Beam Lasers for pulling Med Slots- 5x Cap Recharger II Low Slots-(here's my dillemma, I can either fit 3 Large Armor Repairers, 2 Armor Hardners, and 2 Cap Relay II's, or I can fit 2 Large Armor Reps with 4 Armor Hardeners with 1 Cap Relay 2. I'm really not sure which would give me the higher tank on say a t4 mission like Angel Extravaganza. Anybody done the math there? Not at home, so no proper EFT warrioring Here is the low skill Dominix which wont make you slam your monitor with your head over 2 hour long missions (flying that now): High: 5x 350mm Prototype Rails 1 x Drone Link Augmentor Meds: 1 x Afterburner II / 1 x Drone Speed Link (or whatever it was) 4 x Cap Recharger II Lows: 1 x DCU II 1 x Large Armor Repper 1 x Energized Adaptive Nanomembrane 4 x MISSION SPECIFIC Active Armor Hardeners Rigs: 1 x Capacitor rig 2 x Auxiliary pump rigs mission specific means - if u see Sansha mission, you fit 2xEM 2xTherm, u see Extravaganza or Gurista u fit 2xExp 2xKin, etc, check web for correct hardeners depending on mission That thing will shoot up to 52km away with rails to help your drones clear stuff faster. I dont even have sentries and it hurts Coz trust me - sitting for 1-2 hours waiting for only drones to clean the room is brain cancer. Dont go triple/double repper
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions	Posted - 2010.08.27 17:59:00 - [29] Originally by: Asuze Not at home, so no proper EFT warrioring Here is the low skill Dominix which wont make you slam your monitor with your head over 2 hour long missions (flying that now): High: 5x 350mm Prototype Rails 1 x Drone Link Augmentor Meds: 1 x Afterburner II / 1 x Drone Speed Link (or whatever it was) 4 x Cap Recharger II Lows: 1 x DCU II 1 x Large Armor Repper 1 x Energized Adaptive Nanomembrane 4 x MISSION SPECIFIC Active Armor Hardeners Rigs: 1 x Capacitor rig 2 x Auxiliary pump rigs mission specific means - if u see Sansha mission, you fit 2xEM 2xTherm, u see Extravaganza or Gurista u fit 2xExp 2xKin, etc, check web for correct hardeners depending on mission That thing will shoot up to 52km away with rails to help your drones clear stuff faster. I dont even have sentries and it hurts Coz trust me - sitting for 1-2 hours waiting for only drones to clean the room is brain cancer. Dont go triple/double repper Yay for necros! (For active play, 1 LAR, 3 hardeners, and 1 DCU should provide more than enough tank if you have guns blazing. And for the love of god train T2 sentries if you want the Domi to really work for you.)
Baneken Gallente School of the Unseen	Posted - 2010.08.27 18:29:00 - [30] Edited by: Baneken on 27/08/2010 18:36:38 Originally by: Echskrata My cap doesn't dry up, I can run the 3 reps indefinatly, so I'm cap stable either way, and it's pve so I don't really have to worry about energy neuts. Blood raiders would like to have a word with you. If your tank doesn't seem hold train you skills up (hull upgrades, mechanic, armour compensation, repair systems) if they aren't all V already then what are you waiting for ? edit: holy necronomicon batman http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html



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