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Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.08 22:00:00 - [1] Edited by: Bellum Eternus on 08/06/2010 22:00:06 Using an alt (to remove bias) I've been asking anyone who will offer their opinion in local what they think of PI. I've removed the names to avoid the conflict of posting what someone has said without their consent. The point of this exercise is to remove the argument of "most Eve players never post on the forums". Yes, I know it could all be fabricated etc., but quite frankly I'm too lazy to ever bother doing something like that. It's easier to simply ask and then cut/paste. To wit: [20:32:54] Mxxxxx > lol CCP [20:32:56] Mxxxxx > PI is a joke. [20:33:00] Mxxxxx > <3 you again CCP [20:51:22] Rxxx Dxxxxxx > Very little gains in starting off... but i s'pose it will get better with improving the necessary skills... I hope :) [20:52:20] xxxxxxx > i think it ranks along with faction warfare in ccp's list of sub optimal ideas not carried through to conclusion [20:53:49] Mxxxxx > PI in its current state: [20:53:54] Mxxxxx > If you can mine in a badger, do that [20:53:58] Mxxxxx > It's more isk/Hour. [20:54:09] xxxxxxxx > lol [20:54:21] Mxxxxx > The NPC orders are what is killing it. Until they are removed, its going to be terrible. Unless you abuse those orders. [20:59:58] Lxxx Sxxxx > annoyingly complicated [21:00:13] Lxxx Sxxxx > and doesn't make me any money for less effort then trading [21:01:37] Exxxxxx Txxxxxxxx > they shouldve made it low-sec only [21:04:32] Mxxxxx > The problem is the NPC orders. CCP made the same mistake 2-3 times this "Expansion". [21:04:59] Mxxxxx > If you want an example, look at Silicate Glass. It's pretty hilarious atm. [21:06:07] Mxxxxx > One of the base components of SIlicate Glass NPCs for more than Silicate Glass by several times over. [21:06:31] Mxxxxx > Its very broken atm. [21:08:07] Mxxxxx > The best/only worthwhile profit I see in PI atm is to do something like... Buy the pieces that make Robotics from NPCs, then make Robotics, then resell Robotics to NPCs [21:39:35] Mxxxxx > Even 2m/day/planet isnt worth this clicking There is much more of the same comments, from multiple regions around Eve: Forge, Citadel, Sinq, Essence, Placid etc. Regardless of what I think, the opinions I've been running across in every system I have asked has been pretty consistent. Does anyone share similar opinions? Does anyone have an overwhelmingly positive experience to share about PI? - Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
weaselalt	Posted - 2010.06.08 22:02:00 - [2] you missed a few name removals
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.08 22:05:00 - [3] Originally by: weaselalt you missed a few name removals I fixed 'em. - Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Brolly Caldari Icarus' Wings	Posted - 2010.06.08 22:22:00 - [4] You haters are all the same, PI is awesome, I think it ranks up there with cosmos and factional warfare as one of CCP's best move to date. So many cynics around, you just don't know what the bigger picture is, you're all so narrow minded. I just look forward to Dust and kicking people of my planets, it's going to be awesome!. So yeah, PI awesome, just think how good Ambulation is going to be!!!
Ti'anla Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.08 22:22:00 - [5] Well, for my part.. I'm enjoying Planetary Interaction (started up with it about an hour after downtime) thus far as an aside, and looking forward to seeing what it becomes after this initial framework deployment and its long-term influence on the game. Honestly can't understand all the vicious negativity for my part; bar fact the negative is always proclaimed louder.. Oh well, there's my experience of it. Oh and the little sod's a bit of an ISK sink - I've already gone over the budget I initially allowed myself by double, getting the setup I wanted. So yeah, it's appealing enough to spend ISK on as far as I'm concerned, so far.
Terrax Norik	Posted - 2010.06.08 22:26:00 - [6] Some have decided that anything that is added to the game that they are not fond of should be topic trolled to death, in a vain attempt to influence the Development process of Eve into a direction that they desire. It's both sad and funny at times.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2010.06.08 22:35:00 - [7] Lol, he asked in local. -------- All I want is a better mankind.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2010.06.08 22:40:00 - [8] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 08/06/2010 22:43:34 2 mil per day per planet?! I need in on this tbh /poor Also lazy though so...
Grez M. Corp Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2010.06.08 22:56:00 - [9] You asked a few people, that doesn't mean you asked 100% of EVE. Regardless, CCP are expanding on their vision of their game. If you don't like PI, don't use it. ---
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.08 22:59:00 - [10] Originally by: Grez You asked a few people, that doesn't mean you asked 100% of EVE. Regardless, CCP are expanding on their vision of their game. If you don't like PI, don't use it. Not a 'few'. I've had responses from over 30 individual systems from a wide variety of players. I'm simply not going to waste the time to post them all. I guess I could put them up on some text dump if you're really that interested. - Originally by: Bellum Eternus That is the beauty of Eve, it's a crucible in which great minds are formed and the rest are ground to dust. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.

Ti'anla Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.08 23:11:00 - [11] Edited by: Ti''anla on 08/06/2010 23:17:19 What's it matter? Shy of a poll on the homepage you're not going to get a noteworthy response no matter where you ask. EVE, like most MMO-games, has too many players, too many of them abstinent from offering their opinion - especially to another player - in too many different places (both in-game and out of game, and generally mobile at that), in god knows how may timezones.. it is highly unlikely, no matter how many systems and regions you polled (and this is assuming you spoke in Local every time, and not the often-turned off (especially by PvE-ers and I'd assume industrialists also) Region channel) that you managed to get the opinions of even a few percent's worth of the total players, even if you include a silent Abstain in the count. Even CCP themselves, despite having access to all of EVE's internal alerts and such forth, are hard-pressed to get representative surveys out of their player-base. These results are interesting, yes, but ultimately irrelevant. The only way we or the creators are going to learn anything even vaguely meaningful about Planetary Interaction is by watching both Planetary Interaction's usage statistics and the effects it has on the rest of EVE.
CaffCeo	Posted - 2010.06.08 23:23:00 - [12] I dunno, We are doing it for POS fuel, it might not be worth the time/effort compared to mining or ratting and then buying it, but ill be damned, its actually fun. I actually enjoy setting up complex networks and then maintaining them. Its a lot less like work than everything else is in eve ;)
Ialjtat	Posted - 2010.06.08 23:29:00 - [13] More than half of these quotes are from my main. I find this humorous for two reasons, the first being that I read/post on MD and SI all day, and the second being that your sample size is so low. oh, and also "most Eve players never post on the forums"
Kyusoath Orillian Haters Gonna Hate	Posted - 2010.06.08 23:32:00 - [14] Originally by: Ti'anla Edited by: Ti''anla on 08/06/2010 23:24:01 What's it matter? Shy of a poll on the EVE homepage you're not going to get a noteworthy response no matter where and on what medium you ask; and even then the results wouldn't be terribly reliable. EVE, like most MMO-games, has too many players, too many of them abstinent from offering their opinion - especially to another player - in too many different places (both in-game and out of game, and generally mobile at that), in god knows how may timezones.. it is highly unlikely, no matter how many systems and regions you polled (and this is assuming you spoke in Local every time, and not the often-turned off (especially by PvE-ers and I'd assume industrialists also) Region channel) that you managed to get the opinions of even a few percent's worth of the total players, even if you include those who Abstain by failing to answer in the count. Even CCP themselves, despite having access to all of EVE's various means of getting players' attention, are hard-pressed to get representative surveys out of their player-base. These results are interesting, yes, but ultimately irrelevant. The only way we or the creators are going to learn anything even vaguely meaningful about Planetary Interaction is by watching both Planetary Interaction's usage statistics and the effects it has on the rest of EVE. ******ed. you want more brokedn 'features' in game ? the 'anger' about PI is that not only is it pathetic its what we got instead of fixes and updates to other garbage features add in previous expansions. seriously, take your mouth away from ccps ass for a while
Cailais Amarr British Armoured Division	Posted - 2010.06.08 23:36:00 - [15] I like it. Its engaging enough, has some mild decision elements to it and a simple enough interface (its a bit like the scan probe mechanism). It passes the time if you want to tinker with it, or just let it run in the background. Will I get rich from PI? Erm...no. Will I make even any ISK at all? Seems unlikely. But then I noticed you can see other players structures on the interface, You can show info and find out whose they are - and then you can go and find them and blow them up! All we need now are 29 more people to also like it and Bellums survey is looking wobbly! C. the hydrostatic capsule blog
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.08 23:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Cailais I like it. Its engaging enough, has some mild decision elements to it and a simple enough interface (its a bit like the scan probe mechanism). It passes the time if you want to tinker with it, or just let it run in the background. Will I get rich from PI? Erm...no. Will I make even any ISK at all? Seems unlikely. But then I noticed you can see other players structures on the interface, You can show info and find out whose they are - and then you can go and find them and blow them up! All we need now are 29 more people to also like it and Bellums survey is looking wobbly! C. He asked people across 30 systems, not just 30 people. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 Originally by: CCP Fallout Been there. Done that. Need antibiotics.
Cailais Amarr British Armoured Division	Posted - 2010.06.08 23:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Blane Xero Originally by: Cailais I like it. Its engaging enough, has some mild decision elements to it and a simple enough interface (its a bit like the scan probe mechanism). It passes the time if you want to tinker with it, or just let it run in the background. Will I get rich from PI? Erm...no. Will I make even any ISK at all? Seems unlikely. But then I noticed you can see other players structures on the interface, You can show info and find out whose they are - and then you can go and find them and blow them up! All we need now are 29 more people to also like it and Bellums survey is looking wobbly! C. He asked people across 30 systems, not just 30 people. Ah, sorry my bad. 30 systems? Er, doesnt sound very scientific to me. Anyway I still like it. C. the hydrostatic capsule blog
Blastrodamus	Posted - 2010.06.08 23:58:00 - [18] loving PI here... it's a great addition.
Ti'anla Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.08 23:59:00 - [19] Edited by: Ti''anla on 09/06/2010 00:03:20 Originally by: Kyusoath Orillian <Usual Kyusoath brand abusive and ignorance> Given the amount of filth comes out of your face every time you speak up around here, I think it's you needs to get your mouth away from people's rears. Now, if you were less busy jumping people with homophobic slurs, you might have noticed the post was just about the redundancy of this little poll, and the need to actually have a little patience to find out whether or not there's a negative effect or not. But then, given you're not so much on the hate-wagon, as pulling it voluntarily with the shaft embedded up your butt, I'm betting any sort of post not screaming lolccpsuxorsfailspansion is just lost on you anyway. As I suspect will soon be evidenced by the next round of enraged 12-year-old style obscenities and abuse, likely directed at myself and this post in particular.
Kohana Chayton Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.09 00:04:00 - [20] Originally by: Terrax Norik Some have decided that anything that is added to the game that they are not fond of should be topic trolled to death, in a vain attempt to influence the Development process of Eve into a direction that they desire. It's both sad and funny at times. I don't feel this way. I personally don't care either way about PI, what I do care about is CCP actually completing what they start. Full-filling their promises to us. And fixing things (like the UI for example) that could be better if a little time and effort were thrown it's way. Other than that, I am all for new content and new abilities, ships, things to do, etc being added to the game. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist OK everyone, please play nicely. There is no need to start getting angry or show off your Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Troll impression.

Lord 'Flashheart	Posted - 2010.06.09 00:09:00 - [21] It is the most underpowered expansion in EVE history. The errors made my CCP made BBC News. We have an expansion with nothing anybody cares about, other than the ladies back home WOOF WOOF
Ti'anla Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.09 00:10:00 - [22] Edited by: Ti''anla on 09/06/2010 00:17:01 Originally by: Lord 'Flashheart It is the most underpowered expansion in EVE history. The errors made my CCP made BBC News. ... WOOF WOOF It got mentioned in a BBC, web-only tech-commentator's blog; big whoop >.> WHURF!
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.06.09 00:12:00 - [23] It's a mini-profession, not everyone is expected to do it or enjoy it. I don't like living in a wormhole or doing invention so I don't do it. Because of the low entry cost in isk and sp you are going to be getting a lot of people trying PI which means a lot of people are not going to like it. This is going to happen with every new feature/mini profession added in so I'm not sure what you want done exactly. Delaying or pushing back PI would have been disastrous and adding in more stuff would probably have caused more lols than we already have done. - It's not "Play through a pre-set story, become stronger, do endgame". Gameplay is open ended, and you make your own story. Unless you're too afraid of 'pvp grief' to do anything relevant
Ialjtat	Posted - 2010.06.09 00:37:00 - [24] Originally by: Blastrodamus loving PI here... it's a great addition. Choose at least one: A) Above poster has less than 1m sp B) Above poster has less than 1m isk C) Above poster's minerals which he mines are free
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Gith Industries	Posted - 2010.06.09 00:45:00 - [25] Anything that puts easy money into the hands of noobs = great for eve With all the POS equipment that PI will eventually power, i think it has potential to be a real profit maker in the long run. Anyone who thought the transition from NPC>PC market would be easy, was dropped on their head. ~ ° ° ° ~ Non-Gameplay Enhancements!
Enkilil Minmatar Thirteen Ninety Three	Posted - 2010.06.09 01:05:00 - [26] I'm not going to involve any of my toons in PI just yet, because I haven't seen one popup to adopt a lost, lonely pink cow. Maybe SoonÖ.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.06.09 01:09:00 - [27] Originally by: Ialjtat Originally by: Blastrodamus loving PI here... it's a great addition. Choose at least one: A) Above poster has less than 1m sp B) Above poster has less than 1m isk C) Above poster's minerals which he mines are free D) Actually enjoys PI Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Apollo Sci Gallente Citadel Logistics Group	Posted - 2010.06.09 01:27:00 - [28] Seriously, give it time to flesh out. If you don't want to do it then don't do it. If CCP designed everything they ever put into the game for one person and you loved to do it all, guess what, you wouldn't have time to do it all anyway. Pick what you like to do and do it. CEO, Citadel Logistics Group
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.06.09 01:58:00 - [29] my impression of PI is that it's a form of station spinning that actually pays.
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2010.06.09 02:02:00 - [30] Originally by: Bellum Eternus There is much more of the same comments, from multiple regions around Eve: Forge, Citadel, Sinq, Essence, Placid etc. Regardless of what I think, the opinions I've been running across in every system I have asked has been pretty consistent. Does anyone share similar opinions? Does anyone have an overwhelmingly positive experience to share about PI? Most people i've been talking to don't really have opinions about PI. There's a few 'why bother, it's a big timesink', but most everyone wants to click the buttons and build the thingies and extract the resources i don't really think a clear picture of whether PI is 'good' or not from most of the playerbase will emerge for a few weeks, at least once depletion effects (highsec overcrowding is a go) and the NPC market is unseeded so players can decide for themselves whether or not it's worth it _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep!



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