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ihcn
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Posted - 2010.06.07 13:26:00 -
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It doesn't make sense that the scanning frigates - heron, magnate, imicus, and probe, get 320m3 plus skills cargoholds. Why should they get two completely disjoint purposes - as a hauler and a scanner?
This is a small issue, i know. But still, it's still worth at least thinking about.
In the cruiser class, the mining/support cruisers always get the large cargohold, so why shouldn't this be true? Move the 320m3 plus skills cargohold to the mining frigates of each race - navitas, whatever amarr's is, bantam, and burst.
This will keep them in line with the mining cruisers, remove their dual purpose as scouts and haulers, create a reason to fly the mining frigates for people with more than 700k SP, and would be a good first step in removing the unanimously-disliked tier system.
Plus I feel really nostalgic about the navitas, and want a reason to fly it again :)
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2010.06.07 13:38:00 -
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I suppose they have their large cargoholds from the times before reusable scan probes were introduced. In Pre-Apocrypha era scan ships had to carry a bunch of x kinds of one-time-use scan probes, which took a reasonable amount of cargo.
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darius mclever
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Posted - 2010.06.07 13:39:00 -
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just a guess:
stuff from radar/magnetometric sites can be pretty big sometimes, especially those parts for the invention interfaces.
also lighting cynos is a nice secondary role for them.
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Laxyr
Chamsin Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.06.07 13:47:00 -
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"small" issue... more like a none issue.
Have you ever tried to scan moons in a scanner frigate? Survey probes come at 10m¦ each. With 320m¦ that makes 32 probes... if you're lucky thats two systems worth of moons. (For that reason people with more SP will most certainly use a blockade runner for this job)
Now the mining frigate may not have the largest cargohold but something far better - a mining bonus.
It is obvious that you're new to this game, therefore: Judge a ship by the shipbonuses it gets. This will give you the most accurate impression of what the ship is designed for (in most cases). If my memory doesnt fool me it was always the "trading" friagte that got the largest cargohold (after fitting cargo extenders ofc). That would be the Kestrel for Caldari.
Regards, Lax
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ihcn
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Posted - 2010.06.08 01:33:00 -
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Edited by: ihcn on 08/06/2010 01:35:24
Originally by: Laxyr "small" issue... more like a none issue.
Have you ever tried to scan moons in a scanner frigate? Survey probes come at 10m¦ each. With 320m¦ that makes 32 probes... if you're lucky thats two systems worth of moons. (For that reason people with more SP will most certainly use a blockade runner for this job)
Now the mining frigate may not have the largest cargohold but something far better - a mining bonus.
It is obvious that you're new to this game, therefore: Judge a ship by the shipbonuses it gets. This will give you the most accurate impression of what the ship is designed for (in most cases). If my memory doesnt fool me it was always the "trading" friagte that got the largest cargohold (after fitting cargo extenders ofc). That would be the Kestrel for Caldari.
Regards, Lax
Well if i'm supposed to judge a ship by it's bonuses then i'm not sure what you think you're talking about, as the kestrel gets a missile damage bonus, and after fitting 2 cargo expanders on one, you still have less than a probe with frigate 5.
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just a guess:
stuff from radar/magnetometric sites can be pretty big sometimes, especially those parts for the invention interfaces.
If you're correct on this, this would make them better than their t2 variants in one of their main roles (exploration). An anathema can't carry everything out of an exploration site, so why should a magnate?
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Irn Bruce
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Posted - 2010.06.08 02:01:00 -
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In case you didn't notice, the mining frigates do also get a cargo bonus. But how many people do you think train frigate to 5 just to mine in a bantam?
You're actually asking for less than 100m3 of cargohold. That's half a cycle of a miner II. Even if you had the extra cargo space it would do you no good because an extra cycle of ore wouldn't fit.
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2010.06.08 02:25:00 -
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a smart scanner brings extra probes? go to mission runners forum or the trade sales...always 1 or 2 find me/us in a wh posters. Gonna bring 20 extra probes...go for broke. better than being lost in a wh lol.
Cyno as mentioned cause kestrels sell fast (kestrel seems to be most popular imo).
Because they don't have much else going for them, fast agile hauler a secondary role to make them more appealing?
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David Grogan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.08 09:42:00 -
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Edited by: David Grogan on 08/06/2010 09:43:13
Originally by: Misanthra a smart scanner brings extra probes? go to mission runners forum or the trade sales...always 1 or 2 find me/us in a wh posters. Gonna bring 20 extra probes...go for broke. better than being lost in a wh lol.
moon probes are still one use only so u need lots of survey probes to do a complete system and still be able to have room for those scanner probes and combat probes when in wormspace
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Cyno as mentioned cause kestrels sell fast (kestrel seems to be most popular imo).
Yes kestrals are indeed popular for cyno cos a. they can fire light missiles back at aggressors despite being a sitting duck b. they are very cheap to build or buy
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Because they don't have much else going for them, fast agile hauler a secondary role to make them more appealing?
Kestrals also make ok noob scouts frigs SIG: if my message has spelling errors its cos i fail at typing properly :P |
ihcn
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Posted - 2010.06.09 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Irn Bruce In case you didn't notice, the mining frigates do also get a cargo bonus. But how many people do you think train frigate to 5 just to mine in a bantam?
You're actually asking for less than 100m3 of cargohold. That's half a cycle of a miner II. Even if you had the extra cargo space it would do you no good because an extra cycle of ore wouldn't fit.
I'm not asking for the extra cargo for mining. I'm saying that the probe/imicus/etc are currently used as trading frigates, when that would make more sense in a ship that's already advertised as being intended for industry, rather than one that's used for scanning.
I carry extra probes too, but 50 extra core probes and 10 extra combat probes take up 15m3 of space. You don't need a 320+ cargohold for that.
Like I said this isn't important at all, it just doesn't make sense to me that the scanning frigs should have a dual purpose as trading, when those two don't intuitively go together, while mining and trading are at least much closer.
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Stupid McStupidson
Gallente Hoek Lyne and Sinker
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Posted - 2010.06.09 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Caldera I suppose they have their large cargoholds from the times before reusable scan probes were introduced. In Pre-Apocrypha era scan ships had to carry a bunch of x kinds of one-time-use scan probes, which took a reasonable amount of cargo.
This. Scan probes used to be significantly larger than currently, and usually you needed to carry more than you do now. Moon probes were (still are? haven't done moon probing in forever)larger yet. Sort of a legacy ship characteristic. |
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