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Daivey Crokite
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:27:00 -
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Edited by: Daivey Crokite on 27/05/2010 12:29:11 I tried to look at the positives of yesterday patch, but I could not find any. What exactly did this new patch add other then 1 day of not being able to play EVE?
Did it fix low sec and make it more interesting? No, not really. Did it add any new ships? No, not really. Did it give carebears any new reason to leave the confines of high security? No, not really.
OMG, did you say I can now build silly bases on planets? Oh ya I almost missed that part.
I read in CCPs dev blog that CSM members and EVE players complain that CCP adds new stuff and then just lets it dry up. Well no really? There are so many things that can be tweaked in this game that would make it so much better without adding a damn thing, but CCP refuses to do this.
My question is why?
Is planetary interaction what players wanted? For god sakes it barely adds any new layers to the game. I am now a sad panda.
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Garamond
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:30:00 -
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Are you worse off than you were before the update?
Cry moar plz.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:30:00 -
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Did it make the most significant changes to the market in a long time? Yes.
Did it fix insurance after years of waiting? Yes.
Did it please Daivey Crokite? No.
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Dan Garvin
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:35:00 -
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Daivey Crokite, Daivey Crokite, king of the crying frontier!
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Eva Wolfe
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: Eva Wolfe on 27/05/2010 12:37:13
Originally by: Garamond Are you worse off than you were before the update?
Cry moar plz.
I am, but I'm not in the mood to cry, it tends to get your top wet.
But in all seriousness it does add another dimension to the game for those that are into mining/harvesting so it can't hurt.
But for me it's a case of maybe better luck next patch.
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Kuso Tabeteshine
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Everything went better than expected.
This.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:38:00 -
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I don't know wtf is happening but I am really upset about it! --------
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Sylphs
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:41:00 -
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You forgot something, now we have Spacebook !
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Ran Khanon
Amarr Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:43:00 -
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Hi, Davy. I 2 am disappoint I 4 expect Parrot pirat ship It not happen
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Daivey Crokite
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:44:00 -
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Fixed insurance? Hardly. Instead of losing 2 mil on a BS you lose what, 10 now? Ouch, thats going to hit the pockets ooo so so so hard. Also, is that something that really needed an "expansion to fix." This could have been done over night instead of waiting ages to do it. Kind of sad to use that as an excuse for the "greatness of this patch."
I guess it will be another year till we see something relevant released. Are we better off with this new patch? Absolutely not.
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Daivey Crokite
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: Daivey Crokite on 27/05/2010 12:56:03 Edited by: Daivey Crokite on 27/05/2010 12:55:13 oh, PS.
Want to know what "fixing" insurance did?
No more solo, or small group PVP. Welcome to carebear blob new eden. If insurance as a big a deal as you lot seem to make it, then people will not be as careless to lose their ships. This means EVEN MORE blob warfare.
How exactly is that good for EVE? By ruining insurance payout you are actually taking people out of PVP. I thought the reason for EVE was because it had the best PVP system in any MMO. Doesn't seem to be the case any more. I guess people are suppose to quit PVP and go carebear in empire now? OR wait for it... Wait for it.....
quit PVP for planetary interaction.. OH SNAP.
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Lhun
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Daivey Crokite Fixed insurance? Hardly. Instead of losing 2 mil on a BS you lose what, 10 now? Ouch, thats going to hit the pockets ooo so so so hard. Also, is that something that really needed an "expansion to fix." This could have been done over night instead of waiting ages to do it. Kind of sad to use that as an excuse for the "greatness of this patch."
I guess it will be another year till we see something relevant released. Are we better off with this new patch? Absolutely not.
Um you do realize that the players are going to have to create the commodities required to build POS modules now - kinda the point of PI... Sov affects PI - some planets are going to have commodities/the ability to manufacture chain 2 reactions without export other alliances are going to want and that Titans ETC aren't going to have huge insurance payouts... making players more cautious... and that frigs will be basically free once the cost of minerals balances out from the lack of t0 salvage.
If you think that doesn't affect nullsec/lowsec, then... you're ******ed.
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Fox McFox
Hellhounds. HellFleet
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Daivey Crokite oh, PS.
Want to know what "fixing" insurance did?
No more solo, or small group PVP. Welcome to carebear blob new eden. If insurance as a big a deal as you lot seem to make it, then people will not be as careless to lose their ships. This means EVEN MORE blob warfare.
How exactly is that good for EVE?
I vote for removal of insurance all together.
Everyone wants somthing for nothing.... I thought EVE was soposed to be cold and harsh, what part of insurance presents cold and harsh.
I lose plenty of ships on a weekly basis from having fun, taking risks and falling into well layed traps. I would still happyly lose the same ammount of ships, both T1 and T2, without insurance.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.05.27 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 27/05/2010 12:59:37 Edited by: Crumplecorn on 27/05/2010 12:57:22
Originally by: Daivey Crokite Fixed insurance? Hardly. Instead of losing 2 mil on a BS you lose what, 10 now? Ouch, thats going to hit the pockets ooo so so so hard.
That you missed the point of the fix does not invalidate the fix.
Originally by: Daivey Crokite an excuse for the "greatness of this patch."
No-one mentioned this patch even being good.
Originally by: Daivey Crokite I guess it will be another year till we see something relevant released. Are we better off with this new patch? Absolutely not.
Perhaps following up your ignorance of the expansion you are complaining about and you ignorance of what was written in this very thread with a baseless attempt to state what you believe to be true as fact will make you right.
But it probably won't.
Originally by: Daivey Crokite Want to know what "fixing" insurance did?
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Daivey Crokite
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Posted - 2010.05.27 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: Daivey Crokite on 27/05/2010 13:03:34
Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 27/05/2010 12:59:37 Edited by: Crumplecorn on 27/05/2010 12:57:22
Originally by: Daivey Crokite Fixed insurance? Hardly. Instead of losing 2 mil on a BS you lose what, 10 now? Ouch, thats going to hit the pockets ooo so so so hard.
That you missed the point of the fix does not invalidate the fix.
Originally by: Daivey Crokite an excuse for the "greatness of this patch."
No-one mentioned this patch even being good.
Originally by: Daivey Crokite I guess it will be another year till we see something relevant released. Are we better off with this new patch? Absolutely not.
Perhaps following up your ignorance of the expansion you are complaining about and you ignorance of what was written in this very thread with a baseless attempt to state what you believe to be true as fact will make you right.
But it probably won't.
Originally by: Daivey Crokite Want to know what "fixing" insurance did?
How are you going to tell us when you blatantly have no clue yourself?
LOL what fix. YA I do miss the point.
The need ofr Blob Initiative.
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Psionist
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Posted - 2010.05.27 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Daivey Crokite oh, PS.
Want to know what "fixing" insurance did?
No more solo, or small group PVP. Welcome to carebear blob new eden. If insurance as a big a deal as you lot seem to make it, then people will not be as careless to lose their ships. This means EVEN MORE blob warfare.
How exactly is that good for EVE?
PvPtards will fight regardless.
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Brolly
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.05.27 13:13:00 -
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kinda amusing the PVP whines, this is the first expansion in years has has no new content for them.
The poor noobs whine about low sec being ignored again whilst blindly failing to notice low sec planets have more goo then those in high sec. This in turn means they can shoot at ships that can't shoot back!!, win for the lazy cowards in low sec!.
As for new ships, the scorpion has a make over, it's so good the price has gone up :P
Granted, PI isn't what eve needed, but it means that industry has nearly come full circle. All we need now is BPO's for CC's and all will be well. If they are not added, kinda makes it all pointless imho, means we will have to wait for another expansion for the goo and BPO's
Pretty mediocre expansion, hopefully PI will turn out to be something akin to enjoyable.
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Psionist
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Posted - 2010.05.27 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Brolly Pretty mediocre expansion, hopefully PI will turn out to be something akin to enjoyable.
Yeah good point, what exactly makes this an expansion? They added in another resource extraction system and another carbon-copy tiered manufacturing ladder so we can now build things that used to appear by magic in huge quantities.
The planets is pretty and all, but it doesn't add that much to the game.
Maybe I'll enjoy PI, who knows. Sure would be nice if I could try it out.
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Daivey Crokite
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Posted - 2010.05.27 13:19:00 -
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Edited by: Daivey Crokite on 27/05/2010 13:21:04 The only good thing to come to low sec is level 5s. And unless you got a corp with a few carriers, good luck doing level 5s. That is beyond the scope of any carebear.
As for fresh meat into low sec to "mine those planets". Ya right. Wasn't the idea of introducing level 5s and faction wars to bring people into low sec? How exactly has EVE changed in terms of people living in low sec? Not much.
the carebears that want PVP joing Caldari Navy faction anyway so that they can go to Jita and also run their level 4's in Motsu.
There is still a huge spread in the player base. 0.0 or high sec, and very little in low sec. Planet interaction isn't going to change much.
And all the lucrative POS's are either owned by aliances from 0.0 or, from the nearby pirate corps. Not too many POS's are being run by "nubs" which means I highly doubt noobs are going to be running alot of low sec planets.
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Erin Davis
Caldari Dark Legion Society
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Posted - 2010.05.27 16:33:00 -
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umm, dont exactly need carriers for lvl 5s, you can do it in smaller ships...
I know of a few carebear corps that run lvl 5s, infact its usually a good recruiting shtick that some have.
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Nobzy
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Posted - 2010.05.27 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Daivey Crokite
Did it fix low sec and make it more interesting? No, not really. Did it add any new ships? No, not really. Did it give carebears any new reason to leave the confines of high security? No, not really.
OMG, did you say I can now build silly bases on planets? Oh ya I almost missed that part.
Is planetary interaction what players wanted? For god sakes it barely adds any new layers to the game.
Just because you don't like the stuff they added, and don't find it significant, doesn't mean it's not a full blown awesome expansion to someone else.
I for one would say this is one of the best, if not THE best expansion to date, as soon as they seed the PI stuff, that is.
Also, EVE is a PvP game only? Keep telling that to yourself ppl.
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kurg
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Posted - 2010.05.27 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: kurg on 27/05/2010 16:39:33
Originally by: Daivey Crokite (..)My question is why?
Is planetary interaction what players wanted? For god sakes it barely adds any new layers to the game. I am now a sad panda.
Are you and everyone else really so narrow minded and feeble that you cant see that PI is just a framework for things to come like DUST514 and Incarna? I mean i know most folks lack intellect, but geez this is taking it to a whole new level of natural selection!
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.05.27 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Daivey Crokite For god sakes it barely adds any new layers to the game. I am now a sad panda.
Using logic much?
PI is part one of more things to come... I think it's safe to assume that PI is the map-maker for DUST 514. CCP won't make maps for over 60,000 planets on their own.
So yes, it has a profound impact.
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Emma Royd
Caldari Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2010.05.27 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Daivey Crokite Edited by: Daivey Crokite on 27/05/2010 12:29:11 I tried to look at the positives of yesterday patch, but I could not find any. What exactly did this new patch add other then 1 day of not being able to play EVE?
Did it fix low sec and make it more interesting? No, not really. Did it add any new ships? No, not really. Did it give carebears any new reason to leave the confines of high security? No, not really.
OMG, did you say I can now build silly bases on planets? Oh ya I almost missed that part.
I read in CCPs dev blog that CSM members and EVE players complain that CCP adds new stuff and then just lets it dry up. Well no really? There are so many things that can be tweaked in this game that would make it so much better without adding a damn thing, but CCP refuses to do this.
My question is why?
Is planetary interaction what players wanted? For god sakes it barely adds any new layers to the game. I am now a sad panda.
Oh Boo Hoo, something new in the game that you don't want to do, quick to the forums!
So something they've added doesn't add anything to your play style? it's been the first "real" industrial addition for a while, so the 'carebears' will be jumping up and down with joy.
Low-sec sucks, it always has, and always will. Not enough reward for the average player to risk his PvE ship against a gank gang who are fitted for PvP.
Why the fascination in forcing carebears out of high-sec? if they want to live there in relative safety then surely that's up to them, just because you want to prowl low-sec and gank them as they mine or mission isn't a reason to force them out of it.
If you're that sad a panda, and feel like quitting, your stuff, can I haz it :p +_+
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Illwill Bill
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2010.05.27 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Illwill Bill on 27/05/2010 16:49:06
Quote: Did it fix low sec and make it more interesting?
I haven't looked at PI yet, but if resources has been distributed according to sec status, then we might have some good stuff worth coming to lowsec for. The insurance nerf will encourage small gangs, not discourage them. Remote-boosted battleship gangs camping gates just got a bit more expensive, and T2 ships got a lot cheaper to lose now (although I'm still dissapointed about the payout for HACs and recons). Also, you should have had a look outside Pator tech school in Amamake last nigh. Loads of people coming for skillboks, and dying horribly to smartbombs at the undock.
Quote: Did it add any new ships? No, not really.
True.
Quote: Did it give carebears any new reason to leave the confines of high security?
Wait and see until the impact of the loot nerf hits the mineral market... By the way, why is everyone bent on drawing masses of carebears to lowsec? It would only result in pointless slaughter and/or gigantic blobs defending mission runners.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.27 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Cipher Jones on 27/05/2010 16:52:10
Quote: Did it give carebears any new reason to leave the confines of high security?
Probably one of the stupidest things ever said on the forums. Carebears dont leave hisec FFS, thats what makes them carebears.
It would be about as fair and wise to take away pvp as it would to take away carebearing.
Also, the patch fixed a lot of performance/lag issues.
You totally mistyped your post, instead of
"the new expansion doesn't do anything"
"the new expansion doesent do anything for me"
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.05.27 16:49:00 -
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CCP, you better do what I say, or I will quit! After all, I am a paying customer, I pay for all your wages! Without me, you would go bankrupt! --------
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.27 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn Did it make the most significant changes to the market in a long time? Yes.
Did it fix insurance after years of waiting? Yes.
Did it please Daivey Crokite? No.
Everything went better than expected.
To add:
Insurance changes painful but probably good in the long run (we will need some more mineral sinks);
planetary production and NPC items production on planets + removal of NPC sell orders in after a few weeks, good;
changes in rats loot: acceptable and needed with the insurance change;
changes in asteroid composition: good and it can help a bit low sec.
It has no new ships. And so?
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Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar Cat's Cradle
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Posted - 2010.05.27 17:28:00 -
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probably the weirdest thing about this patch is that just ONE ship got an upgrade.
but like the OP, I too feel...unfulfilled.
so many things to tweak and improve on...but none of it got touched.
I like the little date on the bottom left. The thing about the calendar is that non one at ccp thought about automatically posting start and end flags for training on the calendar. Training is the heart of EVE...everyone does it.
Why there are better user made tools out side of the game than there are in the game I dont know why.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.27 17:33:00 -
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so many things to tweak and improve on...but none of it got touched.
Things did get fixed. Take the **** out of your ear and listen ffs. This is clearly a signature. |
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