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Elojs Gallente Corp 42 Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels	Posted - 2010.05.22 19:43:00 - [61] Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow Originally by: Tribalist What we need is "Chicago Politics" i.e. The ability buy proxies and vote the dead... The Chicago motto is: vote early and often. ... and in every precinct.
Radius Prime	Posted - 2010.05.22 21:44:00 - [62] I think people are over analyzing this election a bit. The increase in votes is easily explained by the growing amount of players combined with the easy access to vote in the startup screen. I think more "silent majority" high sec newcomers (like me) have used their vote. That said, some results will surprise the oldskool establishment in eve most likely. People who were given a high spot in the voting list and took their time to put in decent campaign letter will be rewarded. New people don`t know any of the names on that list and wont vote for "big headed alliance bobble heads who don't even take time to put in campaign letter" as they don`t show commitment, solid program or willingness to defend rights of the small players... As for big nullsec alliances taking over.. Most are competing I would think , so they will only undermine each other in the council and work counterproductive. It made me laugh when some people said it would influence the outcome of major conflicts... It wont , the council has the power of suggestion only , their mandate doesn't include decision making , and that`s probably the reason why major alliances have never taken a firmer grip over the election. I think the council overall is a good idea and will help greatly with improving the game by suggestion game adjustments to the devs. Fresh ideas keep game young. The trip to Iceland is a well deserved reward for those who help the game advance selflessly every day and that`s what it's all about in the end :). Just my 2 cents
Entaran Caldari Metalworks Majesta Empire	Posted - 2010.05.23 09:37:00 - [63] Edited by: Entaran on 23/05/2010 09:39:46 I voted a significant (10+) number of times across three candidates tbh Vuk got a single vote from me after the mass NC alliance mail went out saying "A-K VOTE VUK, L-Z VOTE ELVEN" or whatever their names were. Vast majority of my votes went to a dude from IT Alliance and a dude from an Empire corp. The fact that lemmings will listen to people who TELL THEM how to vote is hilarious, tbh I think in the CSM if this sort of crap is uncovered on forums or in alliance mails it should automatically DQ the candidate. But that's another can of worms entirely. It's totally not enforceable (and so open to exploitation it's crazy) --- Here's the mail that went around the NC: Originally by: NCMail Vote for CSM NOW From: ---------- Sent: 2010.05.11 19:16 To: Majesta Empire, Ladies and gents, Are you blackscreened in game? Enjoying too much lag in H-W local? Now is the perfect time to register your votes for CSM. This is an important vote because -IT- has two candidates who are getting loads of votes, and we would really like to see Vuk Lau and Elvenlord, from Morsus Mihi, get elected once again. These two guys have a proven track record of working hard on the CSM to enact real change for real pilots like you and I. So we need EVERYBODY to log in all their accounts (one vote per paid account) and vote. Read their excellent thread here and see the positive words from guys all across the NC and even some guys who are in-game enemies of ME. Vuk and Elven are excellent candidates but they need YOUR VOTES Go here and sign in to vote for other candidates, or follow the links below: - If the main character on the account you're voting with has a name begining with A to K you Vote Vuk Lau - If the main character on the account you're voting with has a name begining with L to Z you Vote ElvenLord Spread the word to your non-ME friends and in-game mates, and let's crank the vote out while there is still time left! VOTING ENDS SOON SO VOTE RIGHT AWAY! Lots of laggy carebear kisses, -------------
Gavjack Bunk	Posted - 2010.05.23 09:55:00 - [64] Over 300 thousand people abstained.
Dasola Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.23 11:05:00 - [65] So only 12% of player base voted? Thats pretty low and in my opinion only indicates how little CSM has managed to impact this game so far. Stability of game system is worse then ever in my playing courier of this game. New features are halfdone and abandoned pretty soon after release. So exactly why do we even need CSM when it has no effect other then handfull of people gets free trip to iceland? Bringing things into csm meeteings is one thing, results is another. If i would get my way, i would push bugfix release and delay new content untill new content is feature ready to release. No half baked **** like were getting now. PI lacks that little thing called nuke from orbit they showed us year ago in fanfest. How come its missing? Becouse ccp dosent care and csm dosent care.
Mynxee Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.05.23 12:15:00 - [66] Originally by: Dasola So only 12% of player base voted? 12% of eligible accounts (not players)...and it's almost twice the amount as voted for CSM4. A very big increase. Originally by: Dasola So exactly why do we even need CSM when it has no effect other then handfull of people gets free trip to iceland? Bringing things into csm meeteings is one thing, results is another. Don't forget that CCP is giving the CSM stakeholder status as of CSM5. It remains to be seen how that will play out to players' benefit, but it will entitle the CSM to more of a voice than ever before. It's up to the CSM to use that voice effectively, while recognizing that the ability to influence change in EVE is subject to practical constraints imposed by CCP. Those constraints include resource availability, bottom line considerations, software development timelines in general, CCP's current vision for the various elements of EVE, and obstacles that may arise due to CCP's corporate culture. It is vital that the CSM recognize those constraints and--where possible--suggest creative ways around them. From the outside looking in, it may seem as if the CSM accomplishes very little. However, don't forget--as Teadaze has often commented in CSM4's meeting minutes--that a lot of the discussion that takes place between the CSM and CCP cannot be shared with players due to NDA restrictions. So just because you don't hear about certain things being discussed or addressed, it doesn't mean they aren't on the radar. Life In Low Sec
Roxy McFubar	Posted - 2010.05.23 13:02:00 - [67] Originally by: Mynxee There are plenty of people who just log in, play the game, and simply fail to tune in to anything external to the game. Or maybe they simply, and reasonably, have no interest in the CSM. They just want to play the game for a few hours after work, relax and have fun. It's a hobby. They have no interest in "external" anything because that's not what they play EvE for.
Mynxee Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.05.23 13:22:00 - [68] Originally by: Roxy McFubar Or maybe they simply, and reasonably, have no interest in the CSM. They just want to play the game for a few hours after work, relax and have fun. It's a hobby. They have no interest in "external" anything because that's not what they play EvE for. Of course. I know quite a few players like that. I used to be one. Someday, though, something in the game or their outlook may change enough to make them take an interest in the CSM and its work. Or who knows--maybe something the CSM itself does will get their attention and motivate more interest. Life In Low Sec
Napro Caldari Buccaneers of New Eden death from above..	Posted - 2010.05.23 14:24:00 - [69] I only voted and campaigned for Cat! It's important we have a voice of reason on the CSM!
Gavjack Bunk	Posted - 2010.05.23 15:58:00 - [70] 300 thousand people don't know they are buying a free holiday for some fevered egos.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.23 16:06:00 - [71] Originally by: Gavjack Bunk 300 thousand people don't know they are buying a free holiday for some fevered egos. They don't know that they are paying for the regular passing out due to alcohol overdose of an entire multimedia company either - so what's the difference? There are many options for CCP to improve on their game, most of which are an order of magnitude more expensive than 9 airline tickets and a few hotel nights. And if you still think that the CSM is a 'pr-stunt' or 'ineffective at accomplishing anything', you have but to thank your own voluntary ignorance.
Spectral Kat	Posted - 2010.05.23 22:04:00 - [72] Originally by: Mynxee Edited by: Mynxee on 21/05/2010 12:40:01 Originally by: Dillon Arklight Personally i have multiple accounts but i don't like the idea of casting more than one vote as it dosen't seem democratic. I know its probbaly impossible to tell how many people voted more than once but its something to consider when looking at the voting statistics. I think almost everyone with >1 account votes with each of them. You can see that by the comments of support throughout various candidates' threads. Since there's no practical way of limiting votes by individual persons, doing it by authenticated (via login) account is the only realistic option. It doesn't make any sense not to cast all your allowed votes due to philosophical reasons. Everyone else will be giving full support to their preferred candidates; you might as well do so, too -- next time around :). I miss your podcast Is this an admission that you voted for yourself? Charming.
Gavjack Bunk	Posted - 2010.05.23 23:06:00 - [73] Originally by: Sokratesz And if you still think that the CSM is a 'pr-stunt' or 'ineffective at accomplishing anything', you have but to thank your own voluntary ignorance. Calling on your proof. Please supply that which you have chosen to accept as proof, since you cannot provide any actual real proof.
Mynxee Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.05.23 23:22:00 - [74] Originally by: Spectral Kat Is this an admission that you voted for yourself? Charming. Of course I did. Why wouldn't I? Although I gave serious consideration to giving Teadaze one of my two votes because I feel so strongly that he deserves to be on CSM5. Life In Low Sec
Serkaan	Posted - 2010.05.24 04:23:00 - [75] Edited by: Serkaan on 24/05/2010 04:23:59 Originally by: Extreme Edited by: Extreme on 20/05/2010 13:12:08 It is just an epic failure that the first days of voting there was displayed a static list of candidates. We filed the importance of the problem about the advantage that one have that is listed on top of that list and yet the change wasn't made in time. Personally i won't jump on the bandwagon concerning Ankh, i have no problem with her and she was ok to work with while i was in CSM-2. But i'll tell you that Ankh will have 2500 extra votes due to this epic failure of a static list of candidates. /X Quit Crying people are gonna vote for who they want to vote for. How would you display the list
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.05.24 04:23:00 - [76] Originally by: Radius Prime I think people are over analyzing this election a bit. The increase in votes is easily explained by the growing amount of players combined with the easy access to vote in the startup screen. I think more "silent majority" high sec newcomers (like me) have used their vote. That said, some results will surprise the oldskool establishment in eve most likely. People who were given a high spot in the voting list and took their time to put in decent campaign letter will be rewarded. New people don`t know any of the names on that list and wont vote for "big headed alliance bobble heads who don't even take time to put in campaign letter" as they don`t show commitment, solid program or willingness to defend rights of the small players... Nice theory, though it ignores that the last couple of CSMs only had unknown people with no real forum track records running due to the term limits. If you think previous CSM candidates didn't have solid programs then you likely have only paid attention the last couple elections when the bottom of the dregs were running. This election had all the big names running with programs that were reminiscent of the first CSM, and that is why we've seen a resurge. So your theory on why the turnout was low is not so easily explained by mere easy access, etc. And if you think null sec alliances are the ones that are counterproductive and difficult to work with, then you haven't read CSM meeting transcripts much. It's invariably the 'independent' candidates that are difficult to deal with, while even alliances like the goons had elected members that were rational and cooperative. There's surprisingly little faction based rivalry... Likely cause people who live in 0.0 sec alliances are used to having codependent relationships with people.
Mechael	Posted - 2010.05.24 04:39:00 - [77] Normally I hate democracy, but there are two things that caused me to vote in this CSM when I had not voted in any of the previous ones. Firstly, the advertisements on the login screen. Secondly, the ease with which I was able to find information on the various candidates right on the voting page. Sadly, many of them did not have any information displayed, but I read through those who did and was able to make a reasonably informed decision on my vote. (Only one candidate mentioned TRADE and the MARKET in their little blurb info.) I'm not a regular forum user. Personally, I dislike forums for reasons I'm not gonna go into. Those two little changes made a BIG difference in changing my opinion about voting.
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.24 09:27:00 - [78] Edited by: Sokratesz on 24/05/2010 09:37:39 Originally by: Gavjack Bunk Originally by: Sokratesz And if you still think that the CSM is a 'pr-stunt' or 'ineffective at accomplishing anything', you have but to thank your own voluntary ignorance. Calling on your proof. Please supply that which you have chosen to accept as proof, since you cannot provide any actual real proof. I was going to just call you a troll and let it be but since this is going on eve-search for evah, and others might find it some day and may wonder the same thing genuinly, I'm actually going to bother looking up some proof for you: General information about CSM Members of CSM4 Many other important links CSM4 Iceland meeting minutes Xhagen's blog about CSM4 Future of the CSM
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2010.05.24 10:39:00 - [79] See that little spike at May 10th that lasted a few days? It could be a complete coincidence but May 10th was the day we did a big CSM candidate roundup at Massively in an effort to get more people voting. Maybe it had an effect! EVE-Tanking.com - Helping you keep your hull in-tact.
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.05.24 10:55:00 - [80] Originally by: Nyphur See that little spike at May 10th that lasted a few days? It could be a complete coincidence but May 10th was the day we did a big CSM candidate roundup at Massively in an effort to get more people voting. Maybe it had an effect! I'm pretty certain that the Massively article helped with the increased voter turnout. For comparison my site went from 3000 to 8000 hits per day for the three days after that article (there was also a 3 day bump to about 4500 hits a day when the voting opened and a similar 5 day bump just before polls closed). Many thanks for putting together the article TeaDaze.net
Mynxee Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.05.24 11:19:00 - [81] Originally by: Nyphur See that little spike at May 10th that lasted a few days? It could be a complete coincidence but May 10th was the day we did a big CSM candidate roundup at Massively in an effort to get more people voting. Maybe it had an effect! Yup, sorry I forgot to mention that in my earlier post on things that influenced voter turnout--your article certainly helped. I notice that my blog got double its normal traffic that day. Traffic then tapered off from that high over the next couple of days back to normal. Thanks! Life In Low Sec
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.24 12:02:00 - [82] Originally by: Nyphur See that little spike at May 10th that lasted a few days? It could be a complete coincidence but May 10th was the day we did a big CSM candidate roundup at Massively in an effort to get more people voting. Maybe it had an effect! I already said it elsewhere, but yes, that probably helped a lot and I found it to be pretty accurate overall. Thanks for the effort
Extreme Eye of God	Posted - 2010.05.24 12:12:00 - [83] I'm just curious on the percentual outcome on casted votes per candidate in the days that the list was a static one compared to the casted votes when thy randomised the candidates. Did it prove my case or not? . .
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.24 12:19:00 - [84] Originally by: Extreme I'm just curious on the percentual outcome on casted votes per candidate in the days that the list was a static one compared to the casted votes when thy randomised the candidates. Did it prove my case or not? It's been established several times that in RL elections, the top of the list gets more votes simply because of them being on top..whether it carries over to EVE I don't know but I doubt it will have made a significant impact on these elections. (results pending..)
Meissa Anunthiel Redshift Industrial Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.05.24 13:15:00 - [85] Originally by: Nyphur See that little spike at May 10th that lasted a few days? It could be a complete coincidence but May 10th was the day we did a big CSM candidate roundup at Massively in an effort to get more people voting. Maybe it had an effect! I've definitely seen a very tangible number of hits on my candidacy page having massively as a referer... So I'd say it did.
Ashina Sito Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.05.24 19:51:00 - [86] Originally by: Mynxee Originally by: Nyphur See that little spike at May 10th that lasted a few days? It could be a complete coincidence but May 10th was the day we did a big CSM candidate roundup at Massively in an effort to get more people voting. Maybe it had an effect! Yup, sorry I forgot to mention that in my earlier post on things that influenced voter turnout--your article certainly helped. I notice that my blog got double its normal traffic that day. Traffic then tapered off from that high over the next couple of days back to normal. Thanks! Wonderful, an article that largely dismissed 2 thirds of the candidates brought in a sizable bump to the voter roles. By dismissed I mean that the organizational method was to group candidates together was, Past Members of the CSM, new people, people with no information. Past CSM members already have an advantage and by listing them first it gave them yet another one. With Information overload do to the high number of candidates the first few listed would be looked over and the further a candidate was on the list the more likely the reader would have decided to stop. I made the same comment on the thread about the article. To be honest, it's not like there is a better method of presenting such a large number of candidates. In the future it should be easier. Ankh and the Take Care party are a sign of things to come, political parties for the CSM. The parties themselves will edit down the potential candidate list. I will also put forward the question, why are candidates with no information even listed in voting? While I have no issue with someone not making a major campaign effort it is somewhat confusing that you would have a candidate with nothing beyond a name. These type of "empty shirts" got less then 100 votes in the last election. That is a number of votes that tell me they attracted no one but their in game friends/contacts. Should CCP enlist a slightly tighter restriction on the CSM candidates? I don't see how a candidate can garnish enough votes to be elected if they do not even post any candidate information at all. If someone can not even put, "Vote for me" in the campaign info window, how could they be a good candidate for CSM? If they can not tap their keyboard 11 times to post a message I don't see how they would find the energy to put for the the effort to be an effective CSM member. On the flip side you have the slippery slope, once you restrict the candidates where will it end? Well, at least my prattling will end here... My CSM Election Announcement
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.05.24 20:41:00 - [87] I seriously doubt that you will ever see political parties in EVE remotely resembling RL ones. Take care after all is just 'Ankh Inc.'
Qujulome Amarr	Posted - 2010.05.25 04:25:00 - [88] Originally by: Ashina Sito Should CCP enlist a slightly tighter restriction on the CSM candidates? I don't see how a candidate can garnish enough votes to be elected if they do not even post any candidate information at all. If someone can not even put, "Vote for me" in the campaign info window, how could they be a good candidate for CSM? If they can not tap their keyboard 11 times to post a message I don't see how they would find the energy to put for the the effort to be an effective CSM member. In Australian Elections there is a cost for nomination, plus you need a number of signatures before you can nominate. This fee is refunded if you get more than 3% of the vote. I would support an Isk cost for running.
Dierdra Vaal Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2010.05.25 09:20:00 - [89] Originally by: Sokratesz I seriously doubt that you will ever see political parties in EVE remotely resembling RL ones. Take care after all is just 'Ankh Inc.' (this will only make sense to dutch players) To be fair, isn't the PVV simply 'Wilders Inc.'? If we would go to a point where you need 5000-6000 votes to be on the CSM, I think it would be quite likely to see some more parties form. Director of Education :: EVE University CSM1 delegate and CSM3 chairman
TeaDaze Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.05.25 10:15:00 - [90] Originally by: Qujulome I would support an Isk cost for running. Not everyone who has isk is a worthy candidate just as not everybody without isk is a bad candidate. If there was an isk cost it would have to be significant to have any impact (many billions) and the result would be that people such as myself wouldn't be able to take part... TeaDaze.net

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