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Mister Meaner Gallente Matari BackBone Fate Weavers	Posted - 2010.05.18 21:55:00 - [1] before i start gonna say upfront maths aint my strongest suit have just spent the last 2 hours playing with Dedaf's Spreadsheet and comparing results ingame on his sheet it asks for BPC cost Since i make my own and i am starting off with invention ie ammo and i usually do them in batches of 10 I have been using (datacore cost / total possible units) x 10 it just seems like a very low number Am wondering how other people calculate this as math is definantly not my strong suit and i want to make sure i am inventing stuff at a profit not a loss As an example 10 batch large barrage attempts I own the BPO I use to make the max run copies from so calculation works out as 12000000/500000 * 10 = 240 add in mineral costs from the spreadsheet my build price per unit is 277.78 Large barrage sells for 600 to 700 depending on where it is sold so am i just making that much profit or am i totally off on calculating the BPC cost HELP Meany
AFK FAPPING	Posted - 2010.05.18 22:22:00 - [2] The cost of inventing a blueprint is ( cost of datacores for one attempt ) / ( chance of success ) so if your datacores cost 400,000 and your success chance is 40%, it would be 400000 / .40 = 1,000,000 isk per blueprint. Divide this by the number of runs to get the cost per run.
Iron Mayden Minmatar	Posted - 2010.05.18 22:23:00 - [3] Yeah math is my biggest enemy too, but unfortunatelly it is the focal point in our chosen career in EVE Let me tell you though that EVEMEEP will help you A LOT, to check your T2 BPC cost... Download it and give it a shot... Specialized in Science, Industry and Trade
Mister Meaner Gallente Matari BackBone Fate Weavers	Posted - 2010.05.18 22:31:00 - [4] thank you both i knew i was doing something wrong back to the spreadsheets i go (and will check out evemeep as well) CHeers
Villa Wolfsbane Amarr IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.21 15:09:00 - [5] Don't forget to also allow for the fuel cost of the POS you use for copying, or the npc cost of a copyslot for it as well.
Mr LaForge	Posted - 2010.05.21 15:20:00 - [6] I suggest you learn how to make a spreadsheet. Its your bread and butter for industry.
Arous Drephius	Posted - 2010.05.21 15:47:00 - [7] Originally by: AFK FAPPING This is assuming your installation costs are zero (using your own pos). POS fuel isn't free.
muktar paneer Minmatar MercTek Industries	Posted - 2010.05.21 16:37:00 - [8] Originally by: Arous Drephius Originally by: AFK FAPPING This is assuming your installation costs are zero (using your own pos). POS fuel isn't free. Even if I mine my own ice?
Bex Beere Caldari Brewery Research Ltd Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2010.05.21 18:29:00 - [9] Originally by: muktar paneer Originally by: Arous Drephius Originally by: AFK FAPPING This is assuming your installation costs are zero (using your own pos). POS fuel isn't free. Even if I mine my own ice? Once PI finally goes live in June and you can make the NPC POS fuels as well as mine the ice then your POS fuel will be "free" - lol --- Bex Beere CEO Brewery Research Ltd
Grimdahl	Posted - 2010.05.21 19:18:00 - [10] Originally by: muktar paneer Originally by: Arous Drephius Originally by: AFK FAPPING This is assuming your installation costs are zero (using your own pos). POS fuel isn't free. Even if I mine my own ice? Nothing is free -- even if you mine it yourself. My calculation says -- if I mine it -- I could sell it -- so the costs for it is the amount of ISK I would have got if sold

Tau Cabalander Caldari	Posted - 2010.05.21 21:54:00 - [11] Sort of off-topic, but I really like using this calculator for materials.
Cyan Cure	Posted - 2010.05.22 00:26:00 - [12] Originally by: muktar paneer Even if I mine my own ice? YES!1111!11!!11!11one1!!1!!11!!!!1! Whatever you mine and NOT SELL, MEANS YOU'RE LOSING MONEY.
muktar paneer Minmatar MercTek Industries	Posted - 2010.05.22 11:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Cyan Cure Originally by: muktar paneer Even if I mine my own ice? YES!1111!11!!11!11one1!!1!!11!!!!1! Whatever you mine and NOT SELL, MEANS YOU'RE LOSING MONEY. Hook, line and sinker... Actually I just account for the POS as a standing monthly cost else it gets too fiddly otherwise. Here's a thought though; if you include the theoretical sale/purchase price of all components used in the build surely you should also account for the cost of time and effort and brokers fees incurred in that sale? If so, how do you account for that?
Cyan Cure	Posted - 2010.05.22 16:02:00 - [14] Edited by: Cyan Cure on 22/05/2010 16:02:47 Originally by: muktar paneer Hook, line and sinker... Keep lying to yourself, if it makes you feel good. Originally by: muktar paneer Actually I just account for the POS as a standing monthly cost else it gets too fiddly otherwise. Actually that's making yourself look stupid. You should count the costs of running your POS into the price of whatever you're selling. It's not "fiddly" even to someone who completed elementary school. Originally by: muktar paneer Here's a thought though; if you include the theoretical sale/purchase price of all components used in the build surely you should also account for the cost of time and effort and brokers fees incurred in that sale? If so, how do you account for that? You can include broker fees, it's just money, not hard to calculate, so what's the problem. As for the other part, you account for that by thinking about it really, really hard in your brain. I mean like really, really, extremely, hard. Focusing on it all the time. So that when you set up orders, you know that the faster you do it, the more money you can get by researching the market or other exercises. By the way, that example is completely unrelated to POS fuel. If you really want, you can calculate your average ISK/hour you gain and just use that.
muktar paneer Minmatar MercTek Industries	Posted - 2010.05.22 16:44:00 - [15] Originally by: Cyan Cure [quote=muktar paneer Hook, line and sinker... Keep lying to yourself, if it makes you feel good. Aww, and you're just upset because you wasted all those awesome capital letters.. Originally by: Cyan Cure Originally by: muktar paneer Actually I just account for the POS as a standing monthly cost else it gets too fiddly otherwise. Actually that's making yourself look stupid. You should count the costs of running your POS into the price of whatever you're selling. It's not "fiddly" even to someone who completed elementary school. So you think most businesses amend the specific prices of everything they're selling based on their fixed costs? Can just see BMG upping the price of all their CD's unilaterally because they had to pay 10% more one month for heating oil for their NY office. Originally by: Cyan Cure Originally by: muktar paneer Here's a thought though; if you include the theoretical sale/purchase price of all components used in the build surely you should also account for the cost of time and effort and brokers fees incurred in that sale? If so, how do you account for that? You can include broker fees, it's just money, not hard to calculate, so what's the problem. As for the other part, you account for that by thinking about it really, really hard in your brain. I mean like really, really, extremely, hard. Focusing on it all the time. So that when you set up orders, you know that the faster you do it, the more money you can get by researching the market or other exercises. By the way, that example is completely unrelated to POS fuel. If you really want, you can calculate your average ISK/hour you gain and just use that. but doesn't factor in the cost of micromanaging orders and/or the opportunity cost of not doing so. Profit = money in minus money out. Worrying about the individual buy cost of each component is irrelevent to that. If you're in the position where you can afford to have a couple of bill of stuff on sell orders for weeks then good luck to you, though if I were I don't think I'd actually be that bothered about squeezing another few mill a ship anyway...
Cyan Cure	Posted - 2010.05.23 04:35:00 - [16] This is a game not IRL, there are alot less factors to ev'rything and it's ALOT easier to calculate costs, boxing POS fuel as a monthly expense is unproductive. You don't bother with calculating at all it seems, so just don't. Your choice to make less money. You said you CBA to do it, so you want me to say that's fine to make you feel better? You asked how you account for the time spent setting up orders etc. so i told you. Your posts are made of fail arguments made on a whim just to make any response. Just think before you post next time 'cause calling yourself a troll just makes you look stupid. This is very off-topic and i'm not gonna continue arguing.
muktar paneer Minmatar MercTek Industries	Posted - 2010.05.23 10:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Cyan Cure You asked how you account for the time spent setting up orders etc. so i told you. Your posts are made of fail arguments made on a whim just to make any response. Just think before you post next time 'cause calling yourself a troll just makes you look stupid. This is very off-topic and i'm not gonna continue arguing. Three posts, three attempts at insults. Really? Given that it's your chars one month birthday today I'll be generous and try and explain one last time. It's not the time to set up the orders it's the time to manage them and the time you are waiting around with a couple of bill of capital tied up that isn't being spent building more components to sell. Failure to account for that means your goods will be overpriced and won't sell. Actually, what am I thinking? Carry on as you are...


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